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My question: has anyone out there installed the sport spring package? If so, what does it do to the ride? Firm it up, I imagine. Does it do anything to help reduce the body roll?
Thanks!
David
Last week in NJ (I normally fuel up at a small truck stop which has a car pump), I paid $1.19 a gallon. Yesterday I paid $1.27 a gallon.
But in general prices in eastern PA & NJ prices are in the $1.30 to $1.60 range, where gas prices are in the $1.30 to $1.50 (regular gas) range.
adjusted to Market Conditions...At the same time
there are better prices available than MSRP on
Passat Variants...
You need to become pro-active and expand your search & your horizons...
Although it is not available on line yet VWOA is
going to expand it's *Locator* section to include
a new Button called *LTO*(Locate to Own)...You can
almost do the same thing now...
I live in Virginia and bought a 2002 Passat GLS V6 wagon with leather, monsoon, luxury, and tiptronic. I actually got the car for approximately $400 UNDER invoice! How did this happen? Well, I simply searched dealer inventories and found that this one dealer had this car on special. The only reason I can think that the car was on sale was that it is Candy White/black interior and didn't have an in-dash cd player. I promptly bought a cd changer for the back (works great!) and I like white cars.
If you are patient and look hard enough, some deals are to be had....good luck in your search!
Saw my first two Mini-Coopers today and they had no window stickers. Dealer wanted like 30K for them which is way high. Oh the games dealers play....
Dave ;^)
is $$39,250.00; so the Dealer gave you the correct info...
you may be able to correct yourself...I do not
mean buy new; just take them out and put them back...:)
I'm at 27K and already had the car in 5 times for the drivers seat.
Seems that when I'm driving down the road and initally step on the breaks, or slow down, the seat actually makes a 'clunk' and will occastionally 'creek' when the force(forward or backward) changes.
Luckily I had this all documented before 24K and the dealer actually replaced all of the motors in the drivers seat because they stopped working.
Now today, I get in the car and the drivers seat is rocking--almost like a rocking chair and after a few starts and stops in rush hour traffic, the metal on metal creek was back again.
For a damn 32,000 car this is rediculous!
Also when I came into this thread, there was a comment about someone else commenting about the crappy plastic and how their car creeks.
Lets, see, when I place my arm on the arm rest on the drivers (or passenger) door--and push in (even very slightly)--the plastic creeks, I've had the car to the dealer 3 times to have them get rid of a creek in the cowling of the sterring wheel (its still there but bearable now), and when I have the arm rest extended to use the tiptronic, any pressure on my elbow causes the platic there to creek. I also hear creeks and clunks coming from the rear of the car.
While I will tell you that I will NEVER buy another VW, I really like the car and I'm really disappointed that VW would try and rip people off by charging 32K for a car full of plastic on plastic. I'm really mad at myself for buying this car now and wish I could just have a manual seat that wouldn't move by itself.
It is very bizarre. Has anyone encountered this? I haven't had time yet to take it in for service.
Josh
I found Edmunds pricing very accurate. I paid exactly $33 higher than the TMV price for this car. Not bad for a $24K car...
I read, however, that the rear seats do not fold down in the sedan with 4-motion. Is this true in the 4-motion wagon as well? That really puts a cramp in the cargo hauling utility.
Also, the Monsoon stereo is listed in the literature as having a cassette deck, but no mention of a CD player. Is there a CD player as part of that stereo? Thanks for the help!
The CD player is separate and comes in three varieties: single in-dash, 6-disc in the cargo bay, and 6-disc in dash. The last option is probably the most difficult to find -- I've only seen it offered through a canadian company.
BTW...the wagon is an excellent alternative to an SUV!! 25K and still lovin it!
George
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For what it is worth the one I drove/drive has only 150 hp the newer ones have 170/180hp depending on who you talk to. Unlike many performance 4 cylinder engines this has plenty of torque. 174 ft lbs @ 1950 rpm. For comparison the Honda S-2000 with a larger 2.0 liter engine has 153 ft lbs at over 7,000 rpm.
Torque is what shows how strong an engine is. To get more torque out of an engine you need to make a bigger or better engine, to get more hp out of it you just have to rev it higher (or make it able to rev higher). Back to the s-2000 240 hp at over 8,000 rpm. Keep it at normal revs and it is really nothing too special. I am not bashing the vehicle (it is a nice sports car, and very fast if you rev it high) just using it as an example.
VR6 as of week 40 2001...Only the 2.0L, 1.9L TDI,
and the 1.8L Turbo...Just FYI...;)
to come out? Will the style change at all? Price? Is it better to wait for an O3 or try to get the
last of the 02's?
1) How likely would it be that dealer A could trade what he has for another with a color I like? He said "he'd see what he could do", but I haven't heard back--I'm sure he'd rather I'd take the silver one.
2) Should I trust dealer B that I will get the one from the boat in 6-8 weeks? Anyone heard whether the special interest rates will continue thru May?
3) If I buy out-of-town from dealer C, am I asking for more trouble than it's worth re: getting warranty service? What do local dealers think about working on cars bought elsewhere?
Advice would be appreciated!
2) Don't know -- wait to see what VWguild says
3) Depends on the quality of your local dealer -- I ended up going with your third option when we bought our '00 wagon. The selling dealer was 100 miles away (the local dealer was asking $500 more for the very same car -- ie they were going to get the car from the dealer that we ended up buying from!). I ended up having all of my service performed at the local dealer -- never had any problems with any warranty issues.
George
We are winding up the MY2002 cars, and there were
not many 5 Speed Manuals built to begin with; so
you will probably need to be flexible...
Dealer *B* is asking you to contract and pay for a
car that you will not get for about two months...
You may want to do that, but the Dealership cannot report the sale until it is actually at the store & this may cause a problem with Volkswagen Credit...maybe not...I have never even
entertained the notion of doing that...
Best bet...Take the trip, and get the car that is
on the ground at Dealer *C*...
Tom
After finding one that I liked (blk/blk) we started discussing price. I offered 1k under msrp (slightly higher than TMV). He talked to his boss but they came back with only $200 under msrp so I walked out. Any advice?
Thanks!
...gregl
GLX 4motion wagons are not that prevalent, but I think $200 under MSRP is high for that car.
I just got an unrelated email from Chaplins (which I got through requesting the price directly from Edmunds.com) and I got quoted a slightly better price of 31,781. I assume that doesn't include destination charges so that's still $500 over Edmunds TMV.
Since I believe 2003 models will offer ESP as an option I'm leaning towards waiting until then. Good luck on your search!
To make a long story short, things broke down with my last offer of $22,400 ($357 over TMV) vs. his of $22,550. He passed on an easy sale over $150! They had just gotten the car on the lot a few days earlier, and if I understand holdback right, they would've gotten over $450 for that, plus more than $1000 over invoice. Guess they figured they could get more for this "rare" car that no one wants!
The only other '02s I can find are in unacceptable colors or unacceptably equipped, and why pay $500 over TMV to get "last year's" model? I plan to wait til the '03s come out, then order exactly what I want. I'm thinking I can get closer to TMV by ordering, since 5-speed GLS wagons appear to be so rare.
I'm curious to know if anyone here who has a 5-speed GLS wagon with no leather or lux was able to get it for TMV or under?
Tom
I know this is an old question, but it is also an old list. So, forgive me if this question is too redundant for you...
I am debating b/n a GLX 4Motion and a Subaru VDC. The ONLY thing stopping me from ordering a GLX tomorrow is the perception that after 50k, I will be making yearly repairs.
To all of you current Passat owners: what sort of problems have you encountered? Are parts hard to get? Are repairs expensive?
Thanks,
Bart
In my Passat, I had a temperature sensor fail, a problem with the radio, and a memory problem in the automatic drivers' seat. That may sound like a lot for a car with 25,000 miles, but is pretty typical for a VW. As I said above, in my experience these things don't continue to break after the first year or too.
I also have an almost 10 year old Golf (130,000 miles) that has been my most reliable car so far. Except for a sunroof switch, not a single problem in the past 5 years.
By the way, in several tests the 4Motion (=Audi quattro for the Passat) has done better under adverse conditions than the VDC. Both are nice cars, but I think the Passat has an edge concerning performance, interior, and smoothness of the engine (even when compared to the H6).
I am pretty impartial on these: I have owned two Subarus before, and my next (second) car is probably going to be the 2004 Forester Turbo, since VWoA can't seem to get the Jetta TDI 4Motion wagon over to the US for me
Good luck,
- D.
Given my experience, I would go ahead and order the car, but I wouldn't get locked into buying it, they shouldn't expect you to commit without seeing and driving the car. You will have to sign a contract but only put down a $500 deposit.