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http://www.directautogroupllc.com/paintwork.html
After you study it, we then can talk about diminished value ..
Terry
4cyl
Auto
Leather
moon roof
front side air bags
56000 miles
good condition (no accidents, non-smoker, leather is perfect. paint is good. 1 or 2 dings in the door.
Trading to a dealer who will have to wholesale it out. What price should I get?
Also, should I try VW dealers. Would they buy my car evern if I am not buying from them?
4cyl
Auto
Leather
moon roof
front side air bags
56000 miles
good condition (no accidents, non-smoker, leather is perfect. paint is good. 1 or 2 dings in the door.
Trading to a dealer who will have to wholesale it out. What price should I get?
Also, should I try VW dealers. Would they buy my car evern if I am not buying from them?
I just spead-read and type fast...
I read your description and my brain goes.. hmmm integra... cool... chicago's not that far... wants to trade... hmmm ugh it's an automatic.
And then my brain tells me we've been here before...
As far as depreciation; sporty coupes, 4x4s and -- for sure -- convertibles depreciate *hard* once a year, at the end of their respective seasons. Then they're pretty stable until the next year. I'm thinking a 1995 Integra hasn't lost any value since the winter, and I'm thinking (see next post) that a 5-year-old Cherokee 4x4 has done all the depreciating it's gonna do from here until December. Terry will tell me if I'm wrong -m
Anyway, haven't seen it yet, but it's a gray over gray 00 Cherokee Sport, 6cyl auto 4x4 with 79k on the clock and the usual accoutrements.
No smokes, no dog, newish tires/exhaust; still a lien on it (local bank at least) and they've got the replacement already... been trying to sell for 3 weeks or so, and are asking $8,700, which strikes me as too much but not outlandish.
Buddy at work bought a 1953 fire engine. And when he was asked, why'd you buy it? He said: "'cuz I didn't have one!"
Never had a 4x4 yet...
-Mathias
Also, it had issues: Previous light rear-ender, bumper poorly repaired -- just cosmetic, though. Light rust EVERYWHERE; edge of the tailgate, pinch welds all around... I thought they had that fixed by '00???
The 4x4 was inoperative, or the indicator light was bad, but at that point, I didn't really care too much anymore. Oil seepage from head gasket (or worse). Other than that, fairly tight car, good engine/transmission, as far as I could tell. I was glad to be back in the Vibe.
But why someone would put a car up for sale in this kind of condition -- and then ask $8,700..??? I sholdn't complain, got a free test drive out of it... I'm thinking it's "worth" the high $4s in its present shape and MAYBE towards $6 on a private sale... but not of my money.
Hey, where else can you get test reports for old sleds!?
Ta -Mathias
Around here its not unusual to see a car for sale in that condition. I looked at an 95 Escort with around 30k on it in 1997, car seemed nice enough, I think they were asking $4000. Anyway, opened the hood and oops, the core support was bent, airbag light was on, lifted the steering wheel cover and oops, no airbag there, it had been cut out after it deployed. Offered them $1500 for the car, they declined. LOL Guess nothing surprises me anymore.
Great site, thanks for the info, On my Pilot it is so obvious that it has had major paint issues that my 4 year old could probably tell. They painted all the insides of the doorframes, right over the vin decals and all the nuts, bolts etc. There is paint all over the inside of the hood again over all the decals. The back hatch doesn'r even come close to level from side to side. There is a ton of overspray and "trash" in the paint (their words) but the shop is supposedly fixing that. They oversprayed onto some of the carpet. There are lines around where they put the back glass in. The pieces that they used to rebuild under the hatch on the inside are still grey colored, next to green it looks more than noticable. What can I do at this point, they are working to fix the mess, but aside from fixing the obvoius overspray and buffung issues, what can be done?
Lisa
fully loaded
14000 miles
excellent shape except for some SLIGHT scratching on the hood (barely noticeable) from a piece of foam insulation that slid over top of the car
KBB lists at 26,000
Edmunds at 29,500
which one is closer to the truth?
mike
If I were in your shoes, I would run, not walk, to an attorney..... It'll cost you, but probably not as much as what you'll lose on the trade. Good luck and keep us posted.
air, auto. power seats w/heat & memory, power retractable mirrors, cd changer, garage door opener, rear parking sensor, sunroof, ski sack
14000 miles
excellent shape except for some SLIGHT scratching on the hood (barely noticeable) from a piece of foam insulation that slid over top of the car
KBB lists at 26,000
Edmunds at 30,500
which one is closer to the truth?
mike
The lawyer route is your last step, not your first. After you get the legal beagle, everyone will stop talking to you. Next, it gets expensive.
The problem is, everything is a judgment call -- they fixed the car, they painted the car, they put everything back together, you took it home... now it's up to you to *prove* it's not just a case of buyer's remorse.
Don't get me wrong, it sounds like you wound up with a really crummy repair... and I'm not saying a lawyer is definitely wrong in this whole thing, I'm just saying try it without first... sounds like they're working with you.
First things first: Find out if your state and/or your policy supports diminished-value claims.
Next, get your sled appraised by two or three people who know what they're doing... the used-car managers of large, well-known dealerships in your area would be good.
Take some digital pictures and post them on the web so Terry et al. can look at them and give you an idea what you're up against. This forum is definitely the place for you to get help -- and I'm not talking about myself, I mean the professionals.
THEN you can make a decision on how to proceed. I had a similar experience where the ins. co. wanted to put $6k of repairs into a car worth $8 after the repair, and I took the check and sold the wreck; came out "OK" in the end. And it was mostly due to what I had learned here, and to Terry pointing me in the right direction.
In your situation, the repair is already done... your only avenue is to have it fixed *corrrectly* and pursue a diminished-value claim, if applicable.
Long-windedly yours,
-Mathias
What we have is:
2004 XC90 2.5 AWD
7-passenger
Premium and Climate packages
Silver finish, taupe leather, aluminum inserts
Bi-xenons
Navigation system
Reverse warning system
What might that be worth to a dealer as a trade-in, with, say, 25,000 miles and in excellent overall condition?
Thanks for your assistance.
David
Grey
V-6
45K miles
Auto
Leather
Good condition
It if certified by Lincoln/mercury for 75k miles or 6 years.
My current car is a '96 Dodge Neon coupe automatic with 103k miles it leaks oil, trans fluid, the A/C, Speedo & gas gauge doesn't work. It runs and paint & interior are in good condition but with all the problems will the Lincoln dealer give me anything for it on a trade in? My friend offered me $300.
Duncan
Duncan
Duncan
Seriously when asking for a value on your trade in please be as descriptive as possible of all the bells and whistles on your vehicle, what model it is, the condition ( as an impartial 3rd party not you might see it:-),if it comes in 2 or 4 doors which is it, if it's an SUV whether it's 2WD or 4WD and WHERE YOU PARK IT (area location where you reside/are trading it in or selling it).
Terry does a yeomans job on these boards helping people so let's try and and make it as easy on him as possible.
Okay rant over. Nurse I'm ready for my thorzine... :-)
Duncan
Also check for paint on the weatherstripping, around the door handles, other black moldings, etc... It ought to drive just like it did before the wreck. If you have a competent and trustworthy Honda dealer, take it to them and explain the driveability problem and let them diagnose and repair it. The body shop doesn't have a clue here. If they don't get the paintwork right this time, tell them you want it fixed/finished/repaired at another shop!
Any comments from the experts??
Thanks,
-Jim.
not the expert,
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Just curious, because I have a similar situation ('99 Max 5 speed and a '01 Miata), for pretty much the same reason IIRC correctly that you got the S2000 (spending the money on a toy instead of replacing a perfectly fine sedan).
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
I'm in Orange County, CA. The neon is striped, no power windows or doorlocks. The only options it does have is an auto and an afteir market cd player. All four tires are less than a month old Dunlop sport A2's. All the belts need changing and the miles are most likely a lot higher than stated since the speedo only works about half the time. I've had this car since I was a teen-ager so the miles are pretty hard.
Duncan
4cyl
Auto
Leather
moon roof
front side air bags
56000 miles
good condition (no accidents, non-smoker, leather is perfect. paint is good. 1 or 2 dings in the door.
Trading to a dealer who will have to wholesale it out. What price should I get?
Also, should I try VW dealers. Would they buy my car evern if I am not buying from them?
Southeast Location (North Carolina)
49,000 miles
StarMark vehicle (MB extended warranty)- 5 years 100,000 miles
Silver
4 door
Automatic (Manu-matic)
Only option - CD Changer
Excellent condition (non-smoker)
KBB Trade In - $24,000
NADA Trade In - $28,000
Edmunds Trade In - $30,000
Thanks.
It has the following specs:
Dual Air & Sliding Doors.
3RD seat
Rear Audio controls
Luggage Rack
15" Alloys
Leather
P/Seat, P/Windows, P/Locks, P/Mirror & Cruise
CD Player
Tires have about 5K miles left on them
112K Miles
Navy Blue in color
Tinted Glass
Keyless Entry
ABS
Fog lights
That minivan -- if it's in nice shape -- could make a nice van for a family on a budget... if all the maintenance was done, the van is spotless, and you invest $200 for semi-decent tires from Sears, you should see the mid-$4s to $5 on the street, and quickly. Just under $5 is a pretty sweet spot in the market, and it's not often you can score a car with leather seats in good shape in that range.
On a trade-in, as-is, maybe $3 if everything is shipshape and Bristol fashion. At least in Atlanta, there ain't no rust.
But I'm not a car dealer, I just play one on Edmunds.
-Mathias
Duncan
I'm looking at two BMW Z3's with the CPO warranty at a BMW dealer. What are the Retail and Trade-in values?
1. 2001 BMW Z3 3.0 - 5spd, Premium package, Power top, BMW CD Radio, Cosmos Black / Black Leather, 18,800 miles. Dealer is asking $30K
2. 2000 BMW Z3 2.3 - 5spd, Harmon-Kardon sound, BMW CD Radio, Titanium Silver / Black leather, 32,000 miles. Dealer is asking $23K
By the way, both cars appear to be in excellent shape (interior and exterior)
Thanks in advance...
I am considering trading my Explorer for a Focus (I know I know), $2500 rebate on the Focus plus put $4k down should eat all my neg equity. Would keep my payment the same but drop the loan length from 72 mos to 36 mos.
Better gas mileage, shorter loan term, but a car I would probably not be thrilled with.
Hubby says no way, he wants to keep the Explorer and just drive less. Of course he also wants to take that $4k and buy a truck camper (MEN!!!).
I love my Explorer and am inclined to just keep it and not buy a small car. Of course then I see that I could shorten the loan length and lessen the gas bill......
Cost me $43 to fill up my Explorer on Friday. OUCH
My truck will crest 13k this week, will pack on 1100 miles in 3 days.
Somebody smack me!!!
The Focus was just a fleeting thought, would drop our debt load by $10k, its an attractive thought, but I like my truck......a lot.
The Chevy is still sitting broken down in the yard where it looks like it will remain for the better part of the summer.
This is just the very short version, but I think you need to consider it... is there going to be frame work involved? I'd be surprised if there wasn't. That brands the car; has to be declared at every wholesale auction & value drops hard.
Just cuz a 7-year-old bimmer has a huge book don't make it worth that....
-Mathias
The lawyer route is your last step, not your first. After you get the legal beagle, everyone will stop talking to you. Next, it gets expensive **
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Mathias brings up a great point here .. once you bring out the "big guns", then they bring out the "big guns", most of the time these are just pop guns in a situation like this and "nobody" gets anywhere in a big fat hurry and you lose alot of money, time and especially a Ton of aggravation ....
Right now, you have the ins co on your side and the body shop loves you, so you need to take advantage of a bad situation and recoup as much of this as possible without you losing your cool and them working off your emotions ..... "probably-maybe-hopefully" most of the paint work can be cleaned up with some sanding and buffing, most overspray can be removed, some stuff might have to be re-shot and maybe some parts changed-out ..
That being said, you need to get a Pro in there from a good Honda store, Nissan store, super quality body shop that does high end stuff like Bimmers, Aston Martins, Lexus, Caddys "or just somebody" in the business *that knows their stuff* to give you a little back-up (I noticed no discussion with the words ~ hubby or boy friend in there) .. get the pics, get a list, get prepared ..............
Terry.
** I sure hope they have liquor, boating and golf at this revival or I have the feeling Terry will get uglier than a Yugo... :-) **
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Don't I wish, Not even a beer or a massage chair - cheap b#*$&#$&..!
But it did have about 400+ 01/02/03/04 Bimmers, 300+ 01/02/03/04 Audi/VW's, 150+ Saabs, about 3,000 vehicles total and last but not least - 2 ~ 04 Aston Martins with maybe 2/3k, one being a DB7 Vantage and the other one being the DB7 GTA .... not bad for $97ish.
Terry.
Cincinnati,Ohio
Black w/Black leather
4X4
moonroof
no heated seats
12k miles
very clean, no dents or dings.
thanks
Brian
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Hey Brian, so your a Bengals fan huh .? ... color is great for the area, no cold pack, miles are almost low, 4x4, slider ... if it's a clean one, no riots, no Wal-mart attacks, no Popeyes chicken stuck in the seats, no lumps no bumps, trade side: in and around the the high $25ish figure, depending on the dealer you might see the low low low $26,0 number .....
Good luck and let me know what happens .....
Terry.
Terry.