Terry is not on yet. I just see the older lower auction price cars come through the BHPH lot.
Dealers can ask what they want, getting it is another matter. KBB for average condition on your car only comes up with $4,300. It clearly is not excellent. I am not sure it can qualify as good in the real world with the aftermarket stuff on it.
Down retail road, $6,500 is all the money on that puppy.
Why are you looking at a Kia? Hyundai almost has turned around the reputation a little bit, but Kia?
One question, why would the aftermarket be a detraction? Two, I really like the sportage, and I really hate the tuscon. I don't have a great deal of income to play with and I have to get what I can. I really wanted a Murano, but it is too much. I need 4x4 ( I am tired of fighting the snow in mountain filled pittsburgh) and I wanted a Sorento, but it is a few thousand more than I can afford (I buy cars not lease, I put on too many miles) and I also buy them in 4 or less years so....... By the way what do you mean...Down retail road? What the dealer will sell it for? Thanks again, Brian P.S. On the price of the Sportage, I offered $500 over invoice ( I like no hassle and this is a new vehicle with no rebates) making it $22,2 00 when it comes times to negotiate further, if the trade isn't going up, do you think I should push for the other $500 on the new car price, thanks
Aftermaket stuff: Limits the potential buying audience for the car (most people want to buy a car that came from the factory). There is no way to KNOW when buying a used car if the aftermarket stuff was professionally installed or not. Some cheaper aftermarket stuff starts to look worn and detract from the value of the car. etc.
Retail road: Actual cash in hand relatively quick sell if you were to sell the car yourself, or other private party sale. The only difference between you and a corner lot is selection. Some corner lots, not many, offer some kind of warranty on some of the used cars.
4 years or less, why not go with a certified used vehicle with warranty? A 100K Sportage is worth very little. A 125K Honda or Toyota 4X4 is still worth some good change when properly maintained. Even the GMC Envoy seems to be holding some decent value in the 4X4 arena.
Couple problems with that.......Number one, I don't like anything that Toyota or Honda, or anyone has to offer. I am very, very picky about the car I drive. I currently have a prestigous career delivering pizza, and I am in my car 8-10 hrs a day. Hence the choosiness. I hate the CR-V, and I really hate the RAV4, plus I refuse, refuse to drive a 4 banger, I had one once, never again. So as you can see I am limited, plus I have to get all the fixin's. I have to have leather, power everything, etc. So I am further limited. Number two, used is not an option, for one I refuse to pay the insane interest on a used car loan (I have built up good credit for a reason, so I don't have to pay big interest) and two I can't afford the miles. I drive between 20k and 30k a year, so if I start with something that already has 20k on it.........The resale is not that important to me, because of the fact that when I go to turn it in (with all those miles), it is really worth nothing anyway. Plus, I need the Hyundai/Kia Warranty. (Especially the bumper to bumper) the only other with that is Mitsubishi, and they have some of the worst cars I have ever seen. Two last points, 1. I don't care if the dealership makes any money on my trade so, I want basically whatever they will get for it. And I stated as much to the saleswoman, 2. Do you know if on a new car, if they have to do a locate (which they will with mine) does the dealer I am buying it from get the holdback or not? That might help in my negotations. Thanks again P.S. as far as the aftermarket goes, I could just remove all of it if that is their complaint. P.P.S I will not buy anything from GM, they, without a doubt, make the worst cars on the road, Ford coming in just behind
You're Trading a 90,500 Mile Hyundai for a Kia? Why not get a Yugo? I mean, this could be a "SNL" sketch. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but does the concept of "resale value" mean anything to you?
No, it doesn't, that is kind of the whole point. See, not all of us have 40k to buy things like crappy GMC Envoys. Plus I kind of like my cars to be able to get me from A to B without breaking down like every single domestic manufacter car I have ever had does. The vehicles that I would like to get (i.e. Murano, X5, Chrysler 300C, ect), even with their wonderful resale value, are too expensive for me at this point. Plus, like I tried to convey, resale value doesn't mean a lot to me, because by the time I turn it in, it isn't really worth any thing anyway......Instead of a Hyundai or Kia with 100k+ on it worth 3000, I will have a Nissan, (that was out of warranty the first year I had it, and I spend 2-3k over the years to fix things that would have been covered in my Hyundai/Kia warranty) with 100k+ on it worth 5000 that is at best even value or less when you consider the things I had to fix along the way. I have had a great deal of cars bewteen myself and my family. By far the best that we have had is the Hyundais. Our chevys were junk, or dodges were junk, our oldsmobiles were junk, our Datsun was a good car, etc. The only other good vehicle that I had was a 1979 Ford F-150, and it caught fire. I understand that resale is what it is, but people really need to get on th bandwagon and realize that Hyundai and Kia are much, much, much (did I mention much) better cars than anything domestic. Period. I will not dispute that Honda, Toyota, Nissan, BMW and others aren't better cars, because they are. But when a base Murano costs 26k+ and you can get a Sorento with everything for the same........Yes the Nissan will be worth more in the long run, but if you want to drive a baseline, cloth seat, no frills car, but hold your head high by saying to yourself "It's a Nissan", then by all means do it. And do that at 50,000 miles when you are getting a major repair done that isn't covered because you are out of warranty, I'll make sure to give you a ride to the dealership to pick up your car, in my Sportage that is still running like a champ. We'll stop by the bank so you can get a loan to pay for the repairs while we are at it. I had a brand new Nissan Altima a few years back, and my Sonanta was superior in everyway (except for wheel bearings, Hyundai needs to work on that). The point is that if I have a Kia with 100k on it in 4 years, or a Toyota with 100k on it in 4 years, it is still a car that has 100k on it and while the Toyota may be worth a 2 or 3 thousand more, I will have put near that much money into it along the lines while it is out of warranty when my Kia wouldn't. It is time for America to wake up and smell the motor oil, Hyundai/Kia are making solid, reliable, attractive, safe, value minded, feature laden vehicles while all the other (Japanese) manufactures are revelling in their glory of resale, and watching their sales numbers plummet because the guy who was looking at the baseline Murano and wasn't too thrilled, just got wowed by the 4x4 EX w/Luxury Package Kia Sorento for the same money as he was going to shell out for the Nissan. Plus, it seems that the word "Rebate" is not in the Japanese manufacter lexicon. Oh, but we couldn't do that, that might hurt our precious resale, our one claim to fame.........You get my point. When we all can throw away 30k or more on a car, then maybe companies like Kia and Hyundai won't have to be around......but untill then, I will take my 13,000k Sonata Gls over a 15,000k Cobalt, or a 25,000k Altima anyday. Thanks for your help
It is your money, drive what you like. As long as you know up front the pro and con of any decision, don't get all upset.
If you want new, great. If you want to look at saving some cash, consider waiting for the same vehicle ever so slightly used. I saved $4,500 on a used vehicle with 3,100 miles on it and it had the same warranty as the new one.
You will be living in this vehicle for the next several years. See if you can take it home for the weekend before buying it, or drive it over several different days and road conditions.
Normally, I would agree with you about buying a lightly used car........but I am looking to buy withing the next few months, and it is doubtful that the sportage would come available anytime soon. The other vehicles that I looked at (murano, etc) even used one year are still too expensive.(I actually saw muranos selling for only 1000 less than new) Also when you buy that one year used, you now have to pay the higher interest loan, and also in the case of Kia for example you only get the 5yr 60,000 warranty, the 10yr 100,000 doesn't carry over to the 2nd owner. A large amount of what you will save by buying used gets eaten up by interest, especially if the new car had a special finance rate. I do agree with you though about the extended test drive. Usually I have a pretty good idea from a decent test drive. Thanks for your help
Well I suppose she was one of the lucky few that actually got more than 80,000mi out of a cavalier. Plus, you can't even compare that Sportage to the new one or any new Kia/Hyundai anyway. Why don't I just compare my Datsun 310 with the Altima I had. Same company............The old Kia's were crap, I will agree with that 100% but basically since they just became hyundai cousins (kinda like the dodge/chrysler Stratus/Cirrus, or k car era)they have been just fine. I know that my cavalier was a piece of garbage, and that my friends was as well. Also, everyone I know that has a pontiac does nothing but complain about having to get it reparied. Also, I guess her Hyenea of a husband just has money to throw away, because last time I checked, those of us with our heads in the real world knew that the price of a Kia and the price of a Toyota were worlds apart.
Take a deep breath....no one is critizing you year. The only thing people are pointing out is that Kia's and Hyundai's do not have a steller reputation.
And the recent cavaliers are actually fairly trouble free.
I know you want a six, but take a look at a Subaru Forester.
Hello Terry, I just found this board and the timing is perfect so..... by the way I live in Pittsburgh, PA I have a Pearl White 2001 Hyundai Sonata GLS (V6) w/Leather Package It has 90,500 Miles Options : Leather Power Driver Seat Power Everything (Heated Mirrors, windows, ect) Aftermarket Keyless Entry w/Alarm Tilt/Slide Sunroof w/Deflector Aftermarket Taillight Chrome Trim Aftermarket Tinted Windows Alloy Wheels AM/FM/CD/Cassette (I actually have a very expensive aftermarket stereo in now, but they never give you what that is worth) K&N Air Filter Aftermarket Woodgrain Dash Inserts ....I think that about covers it, It has every option that was available at the time except for ABS and TCS It is very good condition, no extraordinary wear ...I recently put in some new items (New Tires Nov. , new plugs and plug wires (last week), new front and rear brake pads) I have taken good care of it, used mobile tri-synthetic oil, etc. I am looking to purchase a 2005 Kia Sportage 4x4 Ex with Luxury Package (Basically the most expensive one) I have agreed with the woman on the sale price, but the trade is the negotiation point..... Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks a bunch (I realize it is Easter (Happy Easter), but if you get a chance to read this by Monday, that would be great). thanks again, Brian =============================
Good morning Brian ....
In the land of the "I coulda been a contender" Stealers ...
We have an 01 Hoon-die Sonata GLS with 91k .. ~Wow~ 91k, almost a record breaker, don't see many Hyun/Kias that make it to the 90/100k region (this one must have been built in Rome and blessed by the Pope) we got the V6 and the leather deal, power pack, slider, new round things and the aftermarket tunes .... if it hasn't been to the Maaco museum, no rust, no food fights at the Eat'n Park, the seats don't have that Taliban look, cold breeze, it's 110% serviced, it looks/feels and drives like 35k, if so ... then trade side, in and around the low/mid $2's, might maybe "could" on a good day and with the proper alignment with Saturn see a dealer stagger towards the $3,0 figure, maybe ....
$5,500...?!? .. not in this universe (or any other) the dealers in your area are hardly paying $4,0 for the 35kers .... I admire your support and your devotion to the product, but come on, April Fools day is still a few days away ...................
Don't forget to let me know ...
Terry.
PS: pull the aftermarket tunes n' stuff and drop the factory stuff back in, they are *meaningless* to a dealer .....
I just heard from my friend (the one with the 2002 Ford Focus ZX5 that was rolled in central Illinois) and the insurance company is going to cut her a check for $12K! Needless to say, she is happy with that.
used car rates are about the same these days with new car rates. you are either making an unfounded and unresearched assumption, or that is not the REAL reason that you dont want a used car.
a 2003/2004 ford escape will get you the V6 that you want, allow for lots of extra equipment, and keep your 4x4 price in and around the tall teens with average miles.
if you have reservations about a used car's longevity and maintenance, then go to the Certified Pre-Owned route.
right now, ford motor credit offers 4.5% up to 60 months on the CPO escapes, and you get a 75k mile warranty.
****Well I suppose she was one of the lucky few that actually got more than 80,000mi out of a cavalier****
What is this? Pick on Cavalier time? My mom got 207,598 miles out of her 1996 Cavalier before she got rid of it (on my urging), she was still commuting 150 miles/day with it. Only replaced a starter, battery, and fuel pump other than regular upkeep stuff.
I admire your devotion to the Kia/Hyundai product, I actually considered a Hyundai once but shyed from it due to the reputation. Bought a Yota instead. I currently commute 165 miles/day with a 2004 Ford Focus ZX3, great little car too, no trouble at all.
that a Hyundai or Kia t-shirt isn't the one to be wearing when you're thumping your chest and yelling about how great your car is...it's true that Cavaliers aren't perfect, but the service histories on Hyundais and Kias I see makes a Cavalier look like a Piaget compared to a watch you'd get out of a gum machine...
I find it exceptionally ironic that a Hyundai owner has the reasoning to slam ANY other make of vehicle on reliability...
My "thrifty" teacher cousins have a few troublefree high mileage cavs they bought new and then passed them down to their kids............ My 2 older boys each have 97 & 98 cavs that I bought used on the cheap for them.
Both have bags, ABS, and side impact beams and neither car has had any repairs except for reg. cheap maint.........
The 99 kia was a nightmare. I got stuck with after I co-signed for it and the girl walked away from it because it spent MANY days in the shop. I ATE that one because NO one would buy it or take it in trade and I didn't want to ruin MY credit.
How about a used Suzuki xr-7 SUV or its Chevy Tracker clone? VERY reasonable used and more dependable IMO................... Very reasonable
The Cavalier, like the Chevette before it, is pretty reliable IF AND ONLY IF you perform the required maintenance on the vehicle - namely, getting the oil changed on a routine basis.
In the late 70's and early '80s. I had a lot of friends who saw their Chevette die a painful and early death as the folks never changes the oil. Maybe topping off the oil on a Toronado was OK but the smaller engine would not take the abuse.
What's the price of this Kia you're buying? Is it really that much less than a Subaru Forester or ford escape, as a couple of others have suggested? I'd also suggest the Toyota Rav 4--it's about $18,500 to $20K. I realize that you don't seem very receptive to the advice you're getting here, but paying roughly the same for a Kia as a Toyota or Subaru, just makes no sense at all, IMHO, even if it does have more stuff, etc. And if it's the warranty (which you rarely need on a Toyota or Subaru anyway), you can always buy an ext. warranty for a few hundred $$.
I guess there have to be Kia lovers in the world. I heard a caller on Car Talk who was in love with his old Yugo......& some people "collect" old AMC Gremlins.....
I don't think the price of the car vis a vis another brand is what's important to him. He wants the warranty and the features (leather, et al). He'll only find all of that in a Hyundai or Kia.
It's his money - let him spend it how he wants.
Now regarding the resale value of his current miled up Hyundai - what you get up front you lose on the backside...
"He'll only find all of that in a Hyundai or Kia."
you havent been paying attantion have you?
a ford escape with 4x4, leather, and a V6 goes for about $25k.with rebates and at invoice, you can get one for around $21k-$22k. thats a no-brainer to me.
Yes I have. He said he drives 20K miles per year and stated the standard warranty on other vehicles would be gone in 18 months. He also stated the other vehicle with the same warranty is a Mitsubishi but wasn't interested in one.
I think to most people, including apparently most of the people on this board, Hyundai or Kia is synonymous with "cheap, low quality, bad resale". You can buy an ext. warranty on a Toyota for about $700 I think, (as if you'd probably even need it). Maybe they put the 100K warrenties on Kias because that's one of the only selling points. It would be different if the Kia was 25% cheaper upfront, maybe........it's like, OK, you've got these choices: Kia, Subaru, Toyota, or Ford Escape: Which one stands out as the most questionable decision?
Many components which are likely to fail within 100,000 miles are not covered under the HyunKia 10yr/100k warranty; in fact, that warranty is very limited in scope. People seem to think that because it's called a "powertrain" warranty, they won't have to pay for any necessary repairs.
If the engine won't start or the tranny won't shift because of some computer (or solenoid, or sensor, etc) problem, that's coming out of your pocket.
My brother has decided to get rid of his Neon before it coughs up anything else expensive. It was originally purchased new by me so I feel a bit responsible for helping him get rid of it. Here's the good, bad, and (mostly) ugly:
1999 Dodge Neon Sport 4 door 5 spd DOHC 150 HP engine Eyeball searing blue 94k miles Exterior looks ok, except for a minor smack to the driver's side headlight area. Looks a bit like it has a black eye. He never got it fixed, not sure if he got an estimate on it or not. Hood closes fine, there's a little damage to the radiator support. PW, PL, CD, aftermarket keyless entry Stock moonroof never really worked right, completely non-functional now. Interior OK, but my bro's a big boy (he's not heavy, he's my brother) so the driver's seat is pretty squashed Decent tires Not sure on maintenance. I know it's had at least 1 head gasket (what Neon hasn't) and the motor mounts done.
Not a lot of good news, I know. I hope I didn't make it sound too nice. He's looking at basic 4 banger '03-04 Aleros GLs as a replacement. What's a good number for a fairly low miler? There's a Gold/beige '03 with 15k miles with auto at a local dealer for $8900. In the ballpark?
****The Cavalier, like the Chevette before it, is pretty reliable IF AND ONLY IF you perform the required maintenance on the vehicle - namely, getting the oil changed on a routine basis.****
LOL, my mom did anything BUT take good care of that car. The oil got changed MAYBE every 10k-15k IF the car was lucky (not synthetic either), the coolant was a mix of orange and green, the transmission fluid didn't get changed until the car had 175k on it.........you get the picture. That car is still running and going down the road, just not with her.
Location: Dallas, TX 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS - 6 Speed Only came in a Wagon and Front wheel drive for the XRS. Mileage: 17400 Color: Indigo Ink (dark blue) outside Black leather/suede inside (Gulf States Toyota option) Options - Power moonroof, Factory Navigation system, Tinted Windows, Side Airbags, Factory keyless entry. 4 wheel disc ABS is standard as are the 16 inch alloys. Tires are about 50%. All service has been done (3 month oil changes with Mobil 1, never hit miles) and I have the paperwork in the glovebox. Interior is hovered in. Exterior has one ding driver side front quarter panel (I miss having a Saturn). Front lip is a little scuffed, though it can only be seen if you're under the car. I had one door ding near the drivers door egde that required painting the entire side of the car. It was done at Service King (major repair chain in DFW) when the car was just one month old. I didn't pay for it, the idiot who dinged me did. Everything else is fine. It has been garaged whenever not in use (which is often given the low miles). I'd like the retail row and trade in. I know the 6 speed will hold it back, but it's the only way they come now.
We have a Honda Civic '98 that we'd like to put up for sale on the paper. It's a silver 4dr with 73k miles, auto, cassete, electric windows & locks, ps, pb, airbags. Tires 80% left, brake pads 50% left. All maintenance records. It has a bumper repair on record (back one, dinged while parked) that was replaced new and is unnoticeable (but will probably come up on carfax, as it was an insurance claim). It has no problems we are aware of and still pulls strong and shifts smoothly. We are located in Los Angeles.
What is a good asking price? What is a reasonable selling price?
I know it's all amicable, but this really isn't the right discussion. Let's reserve this topic for people to post their trade-in details and get a value. Clutter about what is/isn't the best new/used vehicle really doesn't help.
If you need a new discussion created, let me know. Otherwise, scan the list of Smart Shopper and News & Views discussions.
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OK Terry -- u have been right on each time I've used u (way too many times -- I might be gunning for CCBA status).
I'm looking to sell my 2004 (technically 2004.5 I guess -- new style mirrors which were a mid year 2004 change) VW Passat GLS. Originally purchased in August of 2004.
Options: 4motion (unstoppable in the winter) OnStar/Integrated phone Cold weather package Automatic
Standard features: 1.8t Monsoon sound of course Leatherette (actually quite nice -- but I did not buy the leather) Moonroof Power windows/door locks Remote entry, of course All the GLS standard features (it's a pretty long list) Cruise control, etc.
Condition: Very good -- interior and exterior. No scratches, etc. Wear and tear is minimal -- will fully clean before listing. 10,900 miles. Tires -- just rotated -- original. Have had both 5k and 10k maintenances performed on time.
Color: Black, black interior
Location: Upstate (Albany) NY area
What's my retail road number? (I won't ask if I'm insane -- I don't want the answer) KBB lists it private party for 23,960 or so... What's for real?
If I go insane and do trade it -- what might I expect?
Got a local dealer with three base 04 350Z all still with under 100 miles on them. Buying side, what would be a good ballpark. MSRP is 26,700 - Dealer says there is 1k rebate. Sunny Norman, OK.
Hi--I would love it if you would give me your thoughts on what I might get for this on trade-in.
Location: Boston, MA Year/Make/Model: Ford Explorer Sport Body Style: 2dr Engine: 4.0L 6cyl Auto Driveline: 4WD Mileage: 60,000 Color: Dark green outside, grey inside (cloth) Major Options: ABS, front d/p airbags, A/C, alloy wheels, AM/FM/Cassette/CD, cruise, power locks, power drivers seat, power mirrors, power windows, power steering, power moonroof, roof rack, remote plus door-keypad keyless entry systems, 2 outlets in front, center and overhead console with compass and external temp, separate temp/radio controls in rear, automatic dimming rearview mirror, fog lights, side steps. Condition: Good. No major dents. A few scratches inside and out. Tires - about 50% Brakes - no new brakes since 33,000 (when I bought it) Maintenance - all regular scheduled. Will do 60,000 soon. Other: 2 years ago was hit by snow plow while parked on street. Body damage only (no chassis damage) to left rear and tail. Plow company's insurance paid for complete repairs. Have complete documentation of repair.
It runs great, very few maintenance issues. Probably ready for brake job though.
Edmunds TMV and KBB trade-in are both about $7100. NADA says $8600. Wondering what the reality is.
want to buy: 2003 g35 coupe 6 spd silver prem pk no nav in New Orleans area 9,000 miles asking 29,995
have to trade or sell: 2001 accord ex 4 cyl,leather, auto. 56k no sale dark blue, has had passenger rear qp repaired where I backed into it with a u-haul otherwise clean
having my mid-life crisis at 32
what's a good price on the g35? what's a good trade or private sale on the accord? Thanks in advance guys
Have a 2002 Altima 2.5SL Silver with black leather, 6 disk bose, alloy wheels, auto and sunroof. Miles high at 58k, few door dings on the rear passenger side and tires as smooth as a baby's bottom. Area is southwest Ohio, what does she fetch on trade.
Well, as you may remember, I bought a slightly used 350Z last month. So, something had to be cut loose. It was only with us a short time, but we enjoyed having the baby Benz on hand (to refresh your memory from when we bought it about 5 or 6 months ago - its a '92 190E 2.6 now w/105K miles that we bought for $3500).
I put it on the lawn with a sign asking $4500, waited a week with only tire kickers to show for it, so then i listed it on autotrader. I know, i know, you always say to use the paper, but its just so expensive for one day of exposure. Anyway, got about 3 bites from autotrader over the following week. Ultimately, a gentleman who lives around the corner saw it on the lawn and bought it for $4K. I just hope there will be no future hassles from having the buyer live so close. I think this is the last time I will sell a car this way. Its worth not dealing with the stress to just trade it in and take a hit. People are strange and I'd rather lose money than deal with these people coming to my house.
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q.....I gave up trying to sell on my own a while ago.
Too many bad checks....too many people giving me $100 to hold the car for them and coming back 6 months later, stating they're ready to buy the car....finding it long gone and wanting their $100 back (plus interest).
Too many 16-17 year olds wanting to take it for a "test drive" and becoming obstinant when I insist on going with them (or worse, making them show me some greenbacks to see if they really can afford the car).....too many neighbors jumping on my case for having a for sale sign in the car parked in my driveway (I live around some snooty neighbors).
I may take a $1,000-$2000 hit by trading, but to me it's worth it.
This is on the camry with 17K miles that I sold to Carmax for $11400 that needed light body work. I was offered 9k from the Subaru dealer.
It is currently listed on there web site as: '02 Toyota Camry LE 4D Sedan $15,998 18K
I called them up and got the VIN number, and it is the car I sold them. So, I guess they took the $1600 rehab, had about 13K in the car, and are hoping to make 3K on in.
The stupid thing is that you can buy a new 2005 Camry LE for 17,900 at FITZMALL.com. And the '05 comes with power seats, which mine did not have.
What can I expect ? I have a 01 BMW 525i sienna red/black leatherette 5speed 69k 1 owner, all maintenence done and in great shape, interior as new, some minor scratches on the bumpers (live in San Francisco, CA) sport package wheels, with newer tires. 6 CD changer, no other options.
still puts a smile on my face every time. welll..... except when i couldn't get it home in the snow and had to leave it at my in-law's for a couple of days.
but, hey, that's why i still have the volvo. just gotta watch those weather reports more closely.
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Terry, I would really appreciate your idea of what I could get for my 04 Outback. This is a re-repost.
It's an 04 base Outback wagon with autodimming mirror/compass and all-weather floor mats. It's 4-cylinder with automatic transmission, AWD. It's light green and pearl white on the outside and beige inside, and has 6400 miles on it. The interior is pristine and the exterior is in great shape except for a small paint scratch on the front right bumper.
I am looking at trading this in for a Mazda3 or an MPV.
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***The stupid thing is that you can buy a new 2005 Camry LE for 17,900 at FITZMALL.com. And the '05 comes with power seats, which mine did not have. ***
...also don't forget ABS brake plus $400 off for recent (will be) graduated.
That's the part I don't understand also. It's the same like some people who always think they get a good deal on a year old cars. I used to ask a toyota dealer why the 1 year old car is almost the same price as the new one's. He told me "Buy a new 1 then...someone will buy that car."
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Dealers can ask what they want, getting it is another matter. KBB for average condition on your car only comes up with $4,300. It clearly is not excellent. I am not sure it can qualify as good in the real world with the aftermarket stuff on it.
Down retail road, $6,500 is all the money on that puppy.
Why are you looking at a Kia? Hyundai almost has turned around the reputation a little bit, but Kia?
By the way what do you mean...Down retail road? What the dealer will sell it for?
Thanks again,
Brian
P.S. On the price of the Sportage, I offered $500 over invoice ( I like no hassle and this is a new vehicle with no rebates) making it $22,2
00 when it comes times to negotiate further, if the trade isn't going up, do you think I should push for the other $500 on the new car price, thanks
Retail road: Actual cash in hand relatively quick sell if you were to sell the car yourself, or other private party sale. The only difference between you and a corner lot is selection. Some corner lots, not many, offer some kind of warranty on some of the used cars.
4 years or less, why not go with a certified used vehicle with warranty? A 100K Sportage is worth very little. A 125K Honda or Toyota 4X4 is still worth some good change when properly maintained. Even the GMC Envoy seems to be holding some decent value in the 4X4 arena.
P.S. as far as the aftermarket goes, I could just remove all of it if that is their complaint.
P.P.S I will not buy anything from GM, they, without a doubt, make the worst cars on the road, Ford coming in just behind
As long as you know up front the pro and con of any decision, don't get all upset.
If you want new, great. If you want to look at saving some cash, consider waiting for the same vehicle ever so slightly used. I saved $4,500 on a used vehicle with 3,100 miles on it and it had the same warranty as the new one.
You will be living in this vehicle for the next several years. See if you can take it home for the weekend before buying it, or drive it over several different days and road conditions.
A good customer of mine has a 03 Sportage.
63k miles and needs a $1800 rear end repair.
She sure laments about the 120k troublefree miles she got out of her cavilier!
Her husband laughs and sez she should of bought a toyota !
I am real happy with it. I forgot to mention that it has a brand new set of tires as well!
Thanks again for all of your help...I know that everyone here feels the same way I do.
And the recent cavaliers are actually fairly trouble free.
I know you want a six, but take a look at a Subaru Forester.
I just found this board and the timing is perfect so..... by the way I live in Pittsburgh, PA
I have a Pearl White 2001 Hyundai Sonata GLS (V6) w/Leather Package
It has 90,500 Miles
Options :
Leather
Power Driver Seat
Power Everything (Heated Mirrors, windows, ect)
Aftermarket Keyless Entry w/Alarm
Tilt/Slide Sunroof w/Deflector
Aftermarket Taillight Chrome Trim
Aftermarket Tinted Windows
Alloy Wheels
AM/FM/CD/Cassette (I actually have a very expensive aftermarket stereo in now, but they never give you what that is worth)
K&N Air Filter
Aftermarket Woodgrain Dash Inserts
....I think that about covers it, It has every option that was available at the time except for ABS and TCS
It is very good condition, no extraordinary wear ...I recently put in some new items (New Tires Nov. , new plugs and plug wires (last week), new front and rear brake pads) I have taken good care of it, used mobile tri-synthetic oil, etc.
I am looking to purchase a 2005 Kia Sportage 4x4 Ex with Luxury Package (Basically the most expensive one) I have agreed with the woman
on the sale price, but the trade is the negotiation point..... Any help is greatly appreciated, thanks a bunch (I realize it is Easter (Happy Easter), but if you get a chance to read this by Monday, that would be great). thanks again, Brian
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Good morning Brian ....
In the land of the "I coulda been a contender" Stealers ...
We have an 01 Hoon-die Sonata GLS with 91k .. ~Wow~ 91k, almost a record breaker, don't see many Hyun/Kias that make it to the 90/100k region (this one must have been built in Rome and blessed by the Pope) we got the V6 and the leather deal, power pack, slider, new round things and the aftermarket tunes .... if it hasn't been to the Maaco museum, no rust, no food fights at the Eat'n Park, the seats don't have that Taliban look, cold breeze, it's 110% serviced, it looks/feels and drives like 35k, if so ... then trade side, in and around the low/mid $2's, might maybe "could" on a good day and with the proper alignment with Saturn see a dealer stagger towards the $3,0 figure, maybe ....
$5,500...?!? .. not in this universe (or any other) the dealers in your area are hardly paying $4,0 for the 35kers .... I admire your support and your devotion to the product, but come on, April Fools day is still a few days away ...................
Don't forget to let me know ...
Terry.
PS: pull the aftermarket tunes n' stuff and drop the factory stuff back in, they are *meaningless* to a dealer .....
I just heard from my friend (the one with the 2002 Ford Focus ZX5 that was rolled in central Illinois) and the insurance company is going to cut her a check for $12K! Needless to say, she is happy with that.
Thanks for your help!
Paul
a 2003/2004 ford escape will get you the V6 that you want, allow for lots of extra equipment, and keep your 4x4 price in and around the tall teens with average miles.
if you have reservations about a used car's longevity and maintenance, then go to the Certified Pre-Owned route.
right now, ford motor credit offers 4.5% up to 60 months on the CPO escapes, and you get a 75k mile warranty.
What is this? Pick on Cavalier time? My mom got 207,598 miles out of her 1996 Cavalier before she got rid of it (on my urging), she was still commuting 150 miles/day with it. Only replaced a starter, battery, and fuel pump other than regular upkeep stuff.
I admire your devotion to the Kia/Hyundai product, I actually considered a Hyundai once but shyed from it due to the reputation. Bought a Yota instead. I currently commute 165 miles/day with a 2004 Ford Focus ZX3, great little car too, no trouble at all.
I find it exceptionally ironic that a Hyundai owner has the reasoning to slam ANY other make of vehicle on reliability...
My "thrifty" teacher cousins have a few troublefree high mileage cavs they bought new and then passed them down to their kids............
My 2 older boys each have 97 & 98 cavs that I bought used on the cheap for them.
Both have bags, ABS, and side impact beams and neither car has had any repairs except for reg. cheap maint.........
The 99 kia was a nightmare. I got stuck with after I co-signed for it and the girl walked away from it because it spent MANY days in the shop.
I ATE that one because NO one would buy it or take it in trade and I didn't want to ruin MY credit.
How about a used Suzuki xr-7 SUV or its Chevy Tracker clone? VERY reasonable used and more dependable IMO...................
Very reasonable
The Cavalier, like the Chevette before it, is pretty reliable IF AND ONLY IF you perform the required maintenance on the vehicle - namely, getting the oil changed on a routine basis.
In the late 70's and early '80s. I had a lot of friends who saw their Chevette die a painful and early death as the folks never changes the oil. Maybe topping off the oil on a Toronado was OK but the smaller engine would not take the abuse.
I guess there have to be Kia lovers in the world. I heard a caller on Car Talk who was in love with his old Yugo......& some people "collect" old AMC Gremlins.....
It's his money - let him spend it how he wants.
Now regarding the resale value of his current miled up Hyundai - what you get up front you lose on the backside...
you havent been paying attantion have you?
a ford escape with 4x4, leather, and a V6 goes for about $25k.with rebates and at invoice, you can get one for around $21k-$22k. thats a no-brainer to me.
Yes I have. He said he drives 20K miles per year and stated the standard warranty on other vehicles would be gone in 18 months. He also stated the other vehicle with the same warranty is a Mitsubishi but wasn't interested in one.
If the engine won't start or the tranny won't shift because of some computer (or solenoid, or sensor, etc) problem, that's coming out of your pocket.
1999 Dodge Neon Sport 4 door
5 spd
DOHC 150 HP engine
Eyeball searing blue
94k miles
Exterior looks ok, except for a minor smack to the driver's side headlight area. Looks a bit like it has a black eye. He never got it fixed, not sure if he got an estimate on it or not. Hood closes fine, there's a little damage to the radiator support.
PW, PL, CD, aftermarket keyless entry
Stock moonroof never really worked right, completely non-functional now.
Interior OK, but my bro's a big boy (he's not heavy, he's my brother) so the driver's seat is pretty squashed
Decent tires
Not sure on maintenance. I know it's had at least 1 head gasket (what Neon hasn't) and the motor mounts done.
Not a lot of good news, I know. I hope I didn't make it sound too nice. He's looking at basic 4 banger '03-04 Aleros GLs as a replacement. What's a good number for a fairly low miler? There's a Gold/beige '03 with 15k miles with auto at a local dealer for $8900. In the ballpark?
Edit: Both are in the SLC, UT area
Thanks,
-Jason
LOL, my mom did anything BUT take good care of that car. The oil got changed MAYBE every 10k-15k IF the car was lucky (not synthetic either), the coolant was a mix of orange and green, the transmission fluid didn't get changed until the car had 175k on it.........you get the picture. That car is still running and going down the road, just not with her.
2003 Toyota Matrix XRS - 6 Speed
Only came in a Wagon and Front wheel drive for the XRS.
Mileage: 17400
Color: Indigo Ink (dark blue) outside Black leather/suede inside (Gulf States Toyota option)
Options - Power moonroof, Factory Navigation system, Tinted Windows, Side Airbags, Factory keyless entry. 4 wheel disc ABS is standard as are the 16 inch alloys. Tires are about 50%. All service has been done (3 month oil changes with Mobil 1, never hit miles) and I have the paperwork in the glovebox. Interior is hovered in. Exterior has one ding driver side front quarter panel (I miss having a Saturn). Front lip is a little scuffed, though it can only be seen if you're under the car. I had one door ding near the drivers door egde that required painting the entire side of the car. It was done at Service King (major repair chain in DFW) when the car was just one month old. I didn't pay for it, the idiot who dinged me did. Everything else is fine. It has been garaged whenever not in use (which is often given the low miles). I'd like the retail row and trade in. I know the 6 speed will hold it back, but it's the only way they come now.
We have a Honda Civic '98 that we'd like to put up for sale on the paper. It's a silver 4dr with 73k miles, auto, cassete, electric windows & locks, ps, pb, airbags. Tires 80% left, brake pads 50% left. All maintenance records. It has a bumper repair on record (back one, dinged while parked) that was replaced new and is unnoticeable (but will probably come up on carfax, as it was an insurance claim). It has no problems we are aware of and still pulls strong and shifts smoothly. We are located in Los Angeles.
What is a good asking price? What is a reasonable selling price?
Thanks,
-Julio.
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I'm looking to sell my 2004 (technically 2004.5 I guess -- new style mirrors which were a mid year 2004 change) VW Passat GLS. Originally purchased in August of 2004.
Options:
4motion (unstoppable in the winter)
OnStar/Integrated phone
Cold weather package
Automatic
Standard features:
1.8t
Monsoon sound of course
Leatherette (actually quite nice -- but I did not buy the leather)
Moonroof
Power windows/door locks
Remote entry, of course
All the GLS standard features (it's a pretty long list)
Cruise control, etc.
Condition:
Very good -- interior and exterior.
No scratches, etc.
Wear and tear is minimal -- will fully clean before listing.
10,900 miles.
Tires -- just rotated -- original.
Have had both 5k and 10k maintenances performed on time.
Color:
Black, black interior
Location:
Upstate (Albany) NY area
What's my retail road number? (I won't ask if I'm insane -- I don't want the answer) KBB lists it private party for 23,960 or so... What's for real?
If I go insane and do trade it -- what might I expect?
Got a local dealer with three base 04 350Z all still with under 100 miles on them. Buying side, what would be a good ballpark. MSRP is 26,700 - Dealer says there is 1k rebate. Sunny Norman, OK.
Thanks!
Location: Boston, MA
Year/Make/Model: Ford Explorer Sport
Body Style: 2dr
Engine: 4.0L 6cyl Auto
Driveline: 4WD
Mileage: 60,000
Color: Dark green outside, grey inside (cloth)
Major Options: ABS, front d/p airbags, A/C, alloy wheels, AM/FM/Cassette/CD, cruise, power locks, power drivers seat, power mirrors, power windows, power steering, power moonroof, roof rack, remote plus door-keypad keyless entry systems, 2 outlets in front, center and overhead console with compass and external temp, separate temp/radio controls in rear, automatic dimming rearview mirror, fog lights, side steps.
Condition: Good. No major dents. A few scratches inside and out.
Tires - about 50%
Brakes - no new brakes since 33,000 (when I bought it)
Maintenance - all regular scheduled. Will do 60,000 soon.
Other: 2 years ago was hit by snow plow while parked on street. Body damage only (no chassis damage) to left rear and tail. Plow company's insurance paid for complete repairs. Have complete documentation of repair.
It runs great, very few maintenance issues. Probably ready for brake job though.
Edmunds TMV and KBB trade-in are both about $7100. NADA says $8600. Wondering what the reality is.
2003 g35 coupe 6 spd silver prem pk no nav in New Orleans area 9,000 miles asking 29,995
have to trade or sell:
2001 accord ex 4 cyl,leather, auto. 56k no sale dark blue, has had passenger rear qp repaired where I backed into it with a u-haul otherwise clean
having my mid-life crisis at 32
what's a good price on the g35?
what's a good trade or private sale on the accord? Thanks in advance guys
What is it worth, -$100 to maybe $750 trade side.
Yes, I really mean it might cost you money to have the dealer dispose of the car for you.
I put it on the lawn with a sign asking $4500, waited a week with only tire kickers to show for it, so then i listed it on autotrader. I know, i know, you always say to use the paper, but its just so expensive for one day of exposure. Anyway, got about 3 bites from autotrader over the following week. Ultimately, a gentleman who lives around the corner saw it on the lawn and bought it for $4K. I just hope there will be no future hassles from having the buyer live so close. I think this is the last time I will sell a car this way. Its worth not dealing with the stress to just trade it in and take a hit. People are strange and I'd rather lose money than deal with these people coming to my house.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
People are strange and I'd rather lose money than deal with these people coming to my house.
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That is why I like Carmax.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '98 Alfa 156 2.0TS; '08 Maser QP; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '11 Mini Cooper S
Too many bad checks....too many people giving me $100 to hold the car for them and coming back 6 months later, stating they're ready to buy the car....finding it long gone and wanting their $100 back (plus interest).
Too many 16-17 year olds wanting to take it for a "test drive" and becoming obstinant when I insist on going with them (or worse, making them show me some greenbacks to see if they really can afford the car).....too many neighbors jumping on my case for having a for sale sign in the car parked in my driveway (I live around some snooty neighbors).
I may take a $1,000-$2000 hit by trading, but to me it's worth it.
How's that Z working out?
I promised you this update:
This is on the camry with 17K miles that I sold to Carmax for $11400 that needed light body work. I was offered 9k from the Subaru dealer.
It is currently listed on there web site as:
'02 Toyota Camry LE 4D Sedan $15,998 18K
I called them up and got the VIN number, and it is the car I sold them. So, I guess they took the $1600 rehab, had about 13K in the car, and are hoping to make 3K on in.
The stupid thing is that you can buy a new 2005 Camry LE for 17,900 at FITZMALL.com. And the '05 comes with power seats, which mine did not have.
Or the folks that will "take the vehicle off of your hands" for about 25% Edmunds TMV because Consumer Reports don't like the vehicle.
01 BMW 525i sienna red/black leatherette
5speed
69k 1 owner, all maintenence done and in great shape, interior as new, some minor scratches on the bumpers (live in San Francisco, CA)
sport package wheels, with newer tires.
6 CD changer, no other options.
what do you guys think.
looking to get a 06 325i
still puts a smile on my face every time. welll..... except when i couldn't get it home in the snow and had to leave it at my in-law's for a couple of days.
but, hey, that's why i still have the volvo. just gotta watch those weather reports more closely.
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It's an 04 base Outback wagon with autodimming mirror/compass and all-weather floor mats. It's 4-cylinder with automatic transmission, AWD. It's light green and pearl white on the outside and beige inside, and has 6400 miles on it. The interior is pristine and the exterior is in great shape except for a small paint scratch on the front right bumper.
I am looking at trading this in for a Mazda3 or an MPV.
Thank you very much!
Charlotte
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...also don't forget ABS brake plus $400 off for recent (will be) graduated.
That's the part I don't understand also. It's the same like some people who always think they get a good deal on a year old cars. I used to ask a toyota dealer why the 1 year old car is almost the same price as the new one's. He told me "Buy a new 1 then...someone will buy that car."