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  • mpjmpj Member Posts: 11
    Thanks for the info.
    Location is Chicago, Illinois.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... ... What's your pay-off ........?

    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    need your help. I mentioned a few weeks ago that my 1998 Accord had been hit again. It's now pretty close to $8K in damage and it looks like it is going to be a total.
    I now need a retail number to use as a negotiating point with the insurance company. I've pulled a couple of comparables for sale off of some web sites and the big 3 values.
    Here are the details:
    98 Accord EX Sedan
    Boston
    87K miles
    Heater Mist - silvery champagne color
    Auto
    Leather
    Normal EX goodies
    A couple of small dings, a slight scuff on the rear bumper, usual chips on the nose, and a little rim rash.
    Dealer service up to date
    Rubber about 50%.
    Numbers point to retail asking price between $8500 and $9500. What say you and thanks in advance.
    ===============================

    **and it looks like it is going to be a total** .... aaah yeah, not unless you have Gloucoma, that's what I would be thinkin'.! ... it should have been totaled at $$5,0/$6,0 ..... Retail Rd.? - I agree $8,5/$9,5 would be a "fair" *asking* retail price ...

    When they finally get to the final figure (whatever that might be) "then" ask for the taxes ......



    Don't forget to let me know .!



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Terry,
    I am posting for my father-in-law. See here is what happened: About 1 month ago, I bought an '05 Forester LL BEAN. Last week, wife and I headed from the east coast to Isellhondaland. We left our Subie with our daughter and car seat attached with my in-laws. My mother-in-law fell in love with the car, and now wants one. Father-in-law is cheap. He wants a 1 y/o one.
    So, here is what I am looking at:
    '04 Forester XS
    ~ 10-15K miles
    Slider
    Auto
    Air
    cow hides
    6cd changer
    other goodies as appropriate
    Location: Land of the Cheese Steak, Home of the flying turkeys (I mean eagles). Philly, PA.
    I am guessing about 20K; but since you can buy new for 22500, buy new.
    ======================================

    I agree with you ...

    Just like my Great Grand Daddy used to say: "Never spend time tripping over those dollars to get to them dimes" ..... dealers are dropping the $18ish figure into a nice 04 XS with miles in the 10/15k range .. so that means they need to get $19,5/$20,5 on the retail side .... if he can a new one loaded up for $22,5ish -- then thats the way to go ...........



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Terry, if you get the chance, I would love a private party value for the car below. He's asking $19,800, but I'm hoping for something more in the 16-17K range.
    Location: San Jose, California
    Year/Make/Model: 2001 Saab 9-3 Convertible
    Body Style: Convertible
    Engine: Stock 4 Cyl engine spinning the tires via a 5 speed stick
    Driveline: FWD
    Mileage: 45K
    Color: Dark Blue outside, tan leather inside
    Major Options: Stock, but it is the convertible
    Condition:
    No major dings outside, no obvious problems inside, but nothing to write home about either. It's a clean car but it's previous owner clearly wasn't anal retentive either.
    Tires - Almost brand new
    Brakes - Not sure
    Maintenance - up to date
    Extended warranty to 100K
    =================================

    In the land of Aaarnold .... we have a 01 Saab 9-3 convert, we got the handshaker (that's a bad thing) we got 45k (that's a good thing), it's no-sale blue with the tan guts (the color kills it, but the tan guts keep it afloat) and you say "but nothing to write home about either", we do have the 100k warranty (that's a good thing) ....

    He probably went to the dealer and they dropped the $13,0 figure at him .. then he got the "dead mullet look" in his face, and he said, "the books say: blah blah blah" ... so the dealer probably said, fine, sell it on your own or get the books to drop you a reader for it, cuz' were thinkin' the $13ish figure for it - it's a HANDSHAKER - and the warranty means -0- to the dealer .....

    $19,800 ..?!? ... he must have been standing in the Star Wars line too long and got heat stroke .. is there a Piaget in the console.? .... $19,800.?? .. that's a great price if you live in the Falkland Islands ....

    Even in your part of the country, where there's big money and little thought process and low miles are kinda scarce, it's still only worth the mid/high $15's low/mid $16's on the retail side (no matter what the "books" say) - and $17,0 would be aaaall the money if you couldn't live without it .....

    PS: $19,800...? ... look in the guys ashtray, I have a funny feelin' there's some funny stuff in there ................... :P



    Terry.
  • woodywwwoodyww Member Posts: 1,806
    Terry probably said it all, but: what's the attraction of this car? It's got high-ish miles (to me, I love low miles), average condition, & the guy's asking WAY more than it's worth. I'd keep looking for a lower mileage, nicer one, & don't forget the "lousy resale value" of Saabs--make it work in your favor if you're buying one.
  • gallileogallileo Member Posts: 51
    Thanks Terry, I was sure he was over, but not by how much. I appreciate it.

    "what's the attraction of this car?"

    I want a convertible. I need four seats. That makes my choices a 9-3, a BMW 3 series, an A4, a Solar, an Eclipse or a Sebring. The Solara and the Eclipse don't do much for me, and if you want to talk low-resale, then have a look at the Sebring. My budget can't handle the BMW or the A4, so it looks like a 9-3 is the best choice. (And yes, I'm paying cash.)

    I'm one of those wierd guys that actually likes no-sale blue and a stick transmission (shhhh, don't tell the seller that), so this car is actually a good candidate for me.

    I'd love lower miles and better condition, but I doubt i can talk this guy down to a more reasonable value, so it looks like I'll pass.

    Thanks again for all your help Terry.
  • dkuhajdadkuhajda Member Posts: 487
    Seems to me that if you are looking at 3 to 4 year old used, the low resale value of the Sebring would be in your favor.
  • alfoxalfox Member Posts: 708
    But then he'd have to drive a Sebring... ;)
  • dkuhajdadkuhajda Member Posts: 487
    Come to think of it, I haven't seen anyone except a middle aged woman driving a Sebring yet.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Is this deal to good to pass up?
    Location: Albuquerque
    2003 Honda Civic EX
    4 dr w/spoiler
    1.7 VTEC
    Auto Transmission
    12,500 miles
    Exterior: Champagne/ Interior: Beige
    Condition is Good with routine service performed at local dealer, 2 tires will need to be replaced within 3-5K miles and the other 2 have ~%50 left. Paint is glossy but there are a few scratches and could use a good detail inside and out. I ran a Carfax and everything checks out with this being the original owner. Asking price is $13,600 and my current offer is $12,500. Owner is recently divorced and it was his wife's car. Seems like he wants it gone.
    ===================================

    In Alber-kirky NM .. what a town ..

    The miles are low and the rubber is weak ... good color for the area, it's an automatic and you say the history "seems" to be fine ..... I think $12,5/$12,9 is aaaall the money, even with the low miles ...

    The funny part about Honda's are .. that most Honda dealers aren't going to put big money in their own product (not unless they're out of used inventory) ... it's not that it's bad mind you, it's just that 03's run as much as an 04, and 04's run as much as 05's, so even the dealers want to be waaaay back in the book .... make sense.?

    Good luck and let me know .....!



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ........... Between eating "bon bons" and my new Dog Dancing classes .. I don't have the time to scroll back and read, then think, then print .. it's kinda like walking and chewing gum at the same time ......



    Terry. :D
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    " The miles are low and the rubber is weak ... good color for the area, it's an automatic and you say the history "seems" to be fine ..... I think $12,5/$12,9 is aaaall the money, even with the low miles ...

    The funny part about Honda's are .. that most Honda dealers aren't going to put big money in their own product (not unless they're out of used inventory) ... it's not that it's bad mind you, it's just that 03's run as much as an 04, and 04's run as much as 05's, so even the dealers want to be waaaay back in the book .... make sense.?"

    No it doesn't. But I'd like to add my 2 Pfennig here.

    Slbible: IF you drive lots, buy the car. If you rack up 50k in two years, it'll still be a very sellable, passably low-mile car. If you don't drive much, get something else.

    Terry: What you said sorta clicks with what my friend Andre told me.... he goes to the Detroit Auto Auction a lot (not the Metro) where Honda Finance takes all their cars. He's stopped buying the 36k lease return Civics, because he says he only makes $500 on them -- I presume that means he gets them for about a grand less than he can sell them for.
    Reason given, and this might disagree a little with what you're saying, that all the Honda stores hang big $$ in these cars, 'cuz they have the customers for them.
    Isellhondas says that often he can sell a two-year-old Civic for $1,500 less than a new one, which even he thinks is silly, and he's a believer.

    SO: Do the Honda boys, or don't they, put big numbers on these Civics? I would think they'd pay ALL the money cuz they have the customers...?

    Either way, $12,500 for a 3-year-old economy car is strong money, but if the miles are gonna be a real benefit -- i.e. lots of driving -- then I think it's OK.

    At a Honda dealership, they'd probably try real hard to get $14,500 for it. And might get it.

    -Mathias
    Never had a Honda.
    Oh wait: 1974 Honda CB175 Motorcycle with 1,750 miles :-)
    And my snow blower.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .... **He's stopped buying the 36k lease return Civics, because he says he only makes $500 on them -- I presume that means he gets them for about a grand less than he can sell them for** ...

    He's goes to the one in Carleton, right.? .. he's on the right track, and your getting it ...... 03 EX's with tiny miles are doing "around" the mid/high $12's, some will see the low $13's at the block .. the same 04's are doing "around" the tall $13's low $14's .... so figure the time you get them home with transport, they do a little this and that, a detail and some service, they probably have close to the $15's in em' .. and the 03's will probably have close to the $14's in em' ....

    Now, let's shift from a "Mathias thought process" (because you're a cash buyer) to a payment buyer, so lets go to 90% of the buying market ... for $900ish dollars more - or for $20ish dollars more a month most buyers will shift to the 04 .. and the 04 buyers will shift to the new 05's, for $17,5ish --or-- for another $45 a month vs the 03's ..... some Honda dealers will buy them as "switch" cars for the folks that need to be at a "firm" payment ... unlike "let's say" a Taurus (for example) the stretch between the new and the pre-owned 05's are $9,000 --or-- $160+ a month ....... see what I mean.? ...

    I have taken in hundreds of nice Civics on trade, but as a rule, I will get more money auction side then down Retail Rd .. so like your friend, I don't want to tie-up $13grand to make $500 in maybe 90 days, maybe .... got it.??

    Die Gewinnspanne ist Weg zu klein, ist es besser zu drehen und sie zu verbrennen,..




    Terry.
  • kyfdxkyfdx Moderator Posts: 265,441
    Here is the one thing I think was missed on this Civic..

    It only has 12,500 miles, and two tires already need replacing, and the others are over 50% worn? It doesn't sound like it has had an easy life... Tires on a Civic aren't exactly performance rubber...

    Maybe a dealer wouldn't care about that, but if I were buying from a private seller, that would raise a big red flag...

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • renaritarenarita Member Posts: 2
    I live in daytona beach, Fl (Close to Orlando) I have a 2002 Mercury Sable Ls 4 dr DOHC gold, 54,000 Leather sunroof am/fm/cass/power everything
    everything is good on it except it need new spark plug wires
    I owe 15000.00
    What is it worth and w/o having the title (still paying it off bank has it ) would I be able to sell it for less than I owe Say 10,000, take 3,000 buy a private car and pay off my car loan?? I just need to get out of this 300/month payment that is dragging me down and I dont know how. HELP!
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    He mentioned that he thought they were driven on overinflated, but I thought most radial tires don't show radically different wear patterns when overinflated... Sounds kind of hinky.
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    *** Say 10,000, take 3,000 buy a private car and pay off my car loan?? ***

    If you can get $10,000 for that car, you still owe $5000 on the loan, which you have to come up with, plus you need to buy a car. If you spend $3000 on a car, you are out a total of $8000. Also, it will be difficult to find reliable transportation in the $3000 range.

    The easiest/best way to get out from being upside down on a loan is to continue making the payments... And, make more than the minimum payment whenever you can, although I gather that may not be an option right now.
  • renaritarenarita Member Posts: 2
    well i dont think they really looked at my car b4 they sold it to me. I needed a new mass airflow sensor before I made the first payment. I also need new spark plug wirs. I foung out they never even detrailed the car (I foun dold pictures in the glove compartment) I very weary about this car. Would rather refinance for lower. I am thinking if I get a used car outright I can gte my other payment much lower and I can gt my car insurance lowered also. I just cant make ends meet, and am trying to find a way to get out from under.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .. **live in daytona beach, Fl (Close to Orlando) I have a 2002 Mercury Sable Ls 4 dr DOHC gold, 54,000 Leather sunroof am/fm/cass/power everything
    everything is good on it except it need new spark plug wires
    I owe 15000.00
    What is it worth and w/o having the title (still paying it off bank has it ) would I be able to sell it for less than I owe Say 10,000, take 3,000 buy a private car and pay off my car loan?? I just need to get out of this 300/month payment that is dragging me down and I dont know how. HELP!** ..
    =========================================

    You just must loooove Bike Week ..l.o.l.....

    It's an 02 Sable LS with 54k in Daytona ... the color is right for the area, we have the leather, slider, V6 Duratec, some tunes and we need plug wires (?) ...... IF ~ we haven't been in any battles at Wal Mart, the rubber is from yesterday, no Love Bug damage, we have coooold breeze, no Bonnie and Clyde interior and no repaints ... then trade side, in and around the mid/tall $7's, maybe the low low $8's on a real good day ....

    Down Retail Rd, super detail, finish any service, super Ad and $10,500 *asking* and cut this bad boy loose for the first $9,5/$9,9 .. the 54k is not your friend here ....... the Big problem here is the pay-off -- Yikes.! .. $15,000 ... did you call the lender or did you just add-up the payments.? .. unless you can get with a "personal" banker, you might be driving this one for awhile - you have a firm grip on this dude ....

    Good luck and let me know ...........



    Terry.
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Member Posts: 1,757
    ***It only has 12,500 miles, and two tires already need replacing, and the others are over 50% worn?***

    I'd tend to agree with you. However, OEM tires are notoriously bad ... even the M******* ones.
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    Walt's got a point.
    The worst tires I ever had -- these were "goodyear" tires, and I put the quotation marks on purpose -- were on my 98 Prizm. These were awe-inspiring in the way they had bad dry traction, -zero- wet traction (put me in a curb once, never happened in any other car), and wore like butter in the sun.
    I wailed on those with a vengeance, and still got to 24k before they were ready for replacement.
    Of course, I just sold the car then. CCBA, baby!
    -Mathias
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ..... Most are like that .. the rubber on the Mini's are like running an eraser down sandpaper, and on snowy roads they have as much traction as dropping a box of BB's on a tile floor ........



    Terry.
  • yrneh1yrneh1 Member Posts: 25
    Hi, Terry...

    Thanks for your earlier help. I sold the car today for $5,500!

    Your expert opinion was right on!

    I'm glad there are people like you who help out worried novice car sellers like me.

    I wholeheartedly appreciate your help and continue to help others! You are doing a wonderful thing.

    With much gratitude,

    Henry
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    What Henry said. -m
  • buckjohnsonbuckjohnson Member Posts: 2
    I am buying a 98 Lumina with recaro seats poice package with a 144k, for 3,000 dollars the car is clean in and out. I did the carfaxx and it came back ok and i also drove it and it felt fine. Is$3000 too much money?
  • corvettecorvette Member Posts: 11,270
    Does it need any work? Is there oil in the coolant, or coolant in the oil (check the oil filler cap for buildup)? The GM V6's have a lot of problems with intake manifold gaskets, causing the coolant and the oil to comingle. With such high mileage, get an honest independent mechanic to check the whole car out. I'm not sure of the pricing on police package vehicles--it's probably been abused its whole life, though, which is something to consider.
  • jjtjjjtj Member Posts: 80
    What I always think of when I see ex-police cars for sale is this - have you ever seen a police car with the lights blaring, hammer down, roaring past? The engine must be hitting the rev limiter but it sounds really cool. But I would never want to live with that car, esp. after 100K+ of this type of use. I've been to a few local muni auctions and there's always some '00, '01, etc Crown Vics, Impalas, etc. They look *ok* but they almost always smoke out the tailpipe, start hard & just seem like they were put away wet. Anyways, $3k for even a low mileage civilian use Lumina seems like too much to me.
  • jlawrence01jlawrence01 Member Posts: 1,757
    I am at the police auctions every four months or so in the Chicagoland area (NW suburbs). Generally, you can get a 2003 Chevrolet Impala police package with 60-80k miles for about $4500-4800. To be honest with you, they are in less demand that the Corwn Vic police package which are grabbed for the Chicago taxi fleet.

    Personally, I wouldn't pay half that much for the vehicle.

    For the record, I haven't seen too many police vehicles that did not have some interior damage (headliners, tears in the dash, drill holes into the body for the lights, etc.)
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ........ Your welcome ....

    Good job .. it's kinda like having a winning lottery ticket ... thanks for the update.! ...



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .............. LS .... ?

    LTZ .......?

    Base model with some seats ....?

    and you live in Minnesota or Miami .....?

    Yikes .!

    Terry.
  • slbibleslbible Member Posts: 14
    First off, thanks for all the inputs. I bought the car for $12,400 this weekend. The tires aren't that big of a deal to me since they are OEM Firestone 690's which don't rate to highly in my book. Even properly taken care of, a friend of mine only got around 26,000 miles out of them. Other than the tires, everything else checked out to be good to excellant. I typically drive my vehicles a long time; i.e. (90 Accord , 202,000 miles, 93 Legacy 180,000 miles). The best I could do locally on a new 05 Civic EX was around invoice ~$17K before TTL, so I feel it's worth it for differance of ~$5K and not having to deal with a dealer. I looked at similiar 03/04 Civic's on dealer lots and most were $15K -$17K with more miles and no record of maintenance. Yeah, one could probably get a similiar deal but not without some serious dealing. BTW, there's a 6yr/72K mile warranty with the vehicle which wasn't a determining factor to me but it was included with the sale.
    We'll be meeting at my bank this mornig to cut the cashier check to pay off his current loan which is $12,280, he'll make ~$120 on the sale and I'll have a vehicle that should give me many years of ecomical motoring.

    Thanks,
    Steve
  • sunnyw888sunnyw888 Member Posts: 1
    Location: New Jersey
    Year/Make/Model: 2001 Highlander Limited V6 4x4 Bluestone
    Mileage: 49300
    Options: Fully loaded (Leather, 6 CD changer, Sun Roof, etc.) except the Tow package
    Conditions: Like new interior (not kidding, friends/co-workers all praise me for keeping the car so well). A couple of tiny scratches on the side. Tires will be replaced soon. Regular maintenance. No accidents.

    I'm considering to trade it in for a Minivan. Edmunds gave 19900 but KBB gave only 16600 (assuming in Excellent condition). What's the deal with 3000+ gap, and what do you think it should worth? Thanks in advance. :confuse:
  • dwynnedwynne Member Posts: 4,018
    Sounds like an OK deal. The carsdirect.com price in the ATL area for a new EX with AT is $16,762 with MT is is $16,032. So $12,400 for a 2 year old used example is not that bad.

    If the extended warranty is "HondaCare" then you did a lot better, since a 7yr/100k/$0 deductible HC warranty is around $750-800 at a discount. If is IS HondaCare you need to get the seller to sign a transfer form. It will cost you $50 and some work, but be well worth it. Note you only have 15 days to get this done - and without the previous owner signing off the warranty does YOU no good.

    VII. TRANSFER OF CONTRACT
    The original CONTRACT purchaser may transfer this CONTRACT to a purchaser of the VEHICLE for the remainder of the original CONTRACT PERIOD.
    TRANSFER PROCEDURE: Return to YOUR DEALER, complete the Transfer of Contract form provided by YOUR DEALER, and present the following items:
    A. This CONTRACT;
    B. A $50.00 transfer fee payable to YOUR DEALER;
    C. A complete copy of YOUR MAINTENANCE RECORDS; and
    d. Documentation evidencing change of ownership and ODOMETER READING (the actual miles traveled, measured by an operative, unaltered odometer) on the date of transfer.

    TRANSFER CONDITIONS:
    1. THIS CONTRACT CAN ONLY BE TRANSFERRED TO A PRIVATE OWNER, WITHIN 15 DAYS OF CHANGE OF VEHICLE OWNERSHIP. ALL REMAINING UNDERLYING WARRANTIES MUST BE TRANSFERRED TO THE NEW OWNER.
    2. THIS CONTRACT CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER VEHICLE, TO A VEHICLE DEALER OR TO THE CUSTOMER OF A VEHICLE DEALER, OR TO A LENDER. Cancellation rights are for the sole benefit of the original retail CONTRACT purchaser and lender. A transferee cannot cancel this CONTRACT.
    3. If YOUR MAINTENANCE RECORDS are not available, AMERICAN HONDA may require inspection of the VEHICLE to assure that the VEHICLE has been properly maintained. If the inspection discloses abnormal conditions, the transfer request may be denied.
    4. A transferee may not transfer this CONTRACT to a subsequent purchaser of the VEHICLE. Upon transfer of the VEHICLE be a transferee to a subsequent purchaser, this coverage is no longer in force.


    If it is NOT a HondaCare, then it may not be worth the paper it is written on - so may not be worth doing a transfer.

    Dennis
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .......... Hey Steve .. you did super, you paid wholesale for the little Civic, less than most dealers ... even if you drop $250 in tires and a little service, you're still waaaay ahead, and the warranty (any warranty) is just a bonus ...

    Good job and thanks for the update.!



    Terry.
  • scottinkyscottinky Member Posts: 194
    Lexington, KY
    2003 Pathfinder LE 4x4, 3.5L V6
    30,800 miles
    new tires, new brakes, very good condition interior, a couple small dings in exterior
    could use a wax. has all options except for DVD player. sunroof, indash CD changer,
    running boards, VLC, heated seats, side airbags, rear cargo cover, all service records.
    first baby coming SOON and thinking about trading it for a Toyota Sienna Minivan.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    ......... In ol' Kentuk ....

    It's a 03 Pathy LE with 31k ... we have a few baby kisses here and there, we have a slider, new round things and new stoppers, we got the cold pack, side balloons and the service sounds up to date ..... if we haven't done any slam dancing with it, no paint by numbers, just a nice one ... then trade side, in and around the $18,0 figure, might maybe see the mid/high $18's if it's super nice super clean and it needs -0- ...... down Retail Rd, great Ad, super detail, $21,900 *asking* and cut it loose for the first "real deal" $20,5/$21,5 ....... you guys get tax difference credit in Kentucky, right ..?

    Terry.
  • kras1kras1 Member Posts: 9
    In Lauderdale .... for a minute I thought you said it was a black CLK .....

    YIKES.! .. it is a Black 03 CLK 320 El Coupe' in Laudertrail ....... where's your black Cigarette boat.? did you dye your mustache black .....? ... Well ........ the miles are low, we got the cold pack, slider, blinders, getty-up and it's black with black guts ....... If ~ we haven't had any swirlomatic car washes at Sonny’s, no paint by numbers, no battles at Publics, the service is 100% and no curb burners .. then trade side, in and around the super tall $29's, low/mid $30ish range, might "maybe" could get a super brave dealer to march towards the $31 figure, Big maybe ....... the color just Flat kills it, and the miles could save it, kinda --- black in Florida...?

    Me personally .. down Retail Rd it would go - superb detail, finish any service, a glorious Ad in the Miami Herald and $35,900 *asking* and get ready to cut this bad boy loose for the first $34/$35 .....

    On the other hand ... we have a nice light colored 04 Aviator Ultimate AWD, we got the slider, 14k, moon tunes, cold pack, blinders and the quads ..... If it's super nice, super clean and no repaints .. then trade side, in and around the mid/high $31ish range, might see the low low low low $32 figure, maybe .....

    Good luck .. and let me know what happens ..!

    Terry.

    ____________________________________________________

    Here's a quick update on the CLK and Aviator.... I traded in the CLK and Aviator for $31,000 each towards a 2005 Range Rover tonight. Thanks for your help Terry!
  • katherine6katherine6 Member Posts: 61
    Hi,
    All of the Edmunds experts helped me a lot when I bought a new car a couple of years ago. This time I'm writing for a friend who is looking at a 2001 toyota sienna XLE minivan which is for sale in MA. She'd appreciate any expert opinion you can give her. Thanks in advance.

    59K miles
    4 speed auto, 6cyl, front wheel drive
    210 HP at 5800 RPM's
    5 doors
    AM/FM Multi Disc CD
    Dual 8 way power seats - heated
    Power doors,windows, etc.
    Moonroof (can't remember if it's power)
    Leather
    Alloy wheels
    Dunlop tires - she say they're excellent
    Carfax report is excellent - reports one oner leased from Bow, New Hampshire
    No dings or scratches apparent outside, interior appear to be in excellent condition
    Color - Dark Green
    Interior - Tan

    Dealer asked $18,900 and will go to $18,600. He's holding the vehicle till 9:00 am Eastern Daylight Time, Tuesday.. She saw it tonight... Monday

    What say you, oracles out there? That is, if any of you are awake.....

    Thanks,
    Katherine
  • steine13steine13 Member Posts: 2,825
    It's going on 5 years old and cost ~ $32 or so new.
    It's nice and the miles are low, but I wouldn't pay that kind of money for it, even though someone else might.

    MA is salt country, I'd just get a new one or look at a Mercury Villager of similar vintage for $10 or less. And we own one of each.

    Oh yeah, as a guess, it's worth $15 retail, give or take a grand. But I don't really know.

    Good luck,
    -Mathias
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    .......... I appreciate the update ..... $31 for each, sounds more than fair to me ... I bet that Aviator will be gone looooong before the Benz ..

    By the way, you didn't get a black Rover, did you.?



    Terry.
  • rroyce10rroyce10 Member Posts: 9,332
    Hi,
    All of the Edmunds experts helped me a lot when I bought a new car a couple of years ago. This time I'm writing for a friend who is looking at a 2001 toyota sienna XLE minivan which is for sale in MA. She'd appreciate any expert opinion you can give her. Thanks in advance.
    59K miles
    4 speed auto, 6cyl, front wheel drive
    210 HP at 5800 RPM's
    5 doors
    AM/FM Multi Disc CD
    Dual 8 way power seats - heated
    Power doors,windows, etc.
    Moonroof (can't remember if it's power)
    Leather
    Alloy wheels
    Dunlop tires - she say they're excellent
    Carfax report is excellent - reports one owner leased from Bow, New Hampshire
    No dings or scratches apparent outside, interior appear to be in excellent condition
    Color - Dark Green
    Interior - Tan
    Dealer asked $18,900 and will go to $18,600. He's holding the vehicle till 9:00 am Eastern Daylight Time, Tuesday.. She saw it tonight... Monday
    What say you, oracles out there? That is, if any of you are awake.....
    Thanks,
    Katherine
    ===================================

    Good morning Katherine ....

    So it's for sale in "Massa chew sits" .? ...... it's an 01 Yota Sienna XLE, it's got 60k, we got some tunes, we got the no-sale green thing going on, cold pack, slider and some wheels .... If ~ the rubber is deeper than Oprah's voice, the paint is better than her make-overs and the service is longer than her hubby's .... then trade side, the dealer might have dropped the mid/high $11's "maybe" the low low $12's in it, could have dropped his contact lens for a moment and put the high $12's in it, maybe ........

    $18,900.?!? .. and he will be nice enough to hold it til' 9am for $18,600 .?!? -- it's a friggin' 01 Sienna, not an 01 Mercedes SL500 .... tell him not to hold his breath, cuz' he'll be the bluest boy on the block ....

    Is it worth $14,9/$15,9 on the retail side.? yeah maybe -- if it's like new, it glows in the dark, waaaay deep in rubber, we have a CPO and it needs -0- ..... $18,600..? only if it has the new Raymond Weil in the console and a free trip to Disney World ..........



    Terry.
  • kras1kras1 Member Posts: 9
    .......... I appreciate the update ..... $31 for each, sounds more than fair to me ... I bet that Aviator will be gone looooong before the Benz ..

    By the way, you didn't get a black Rover, did you.?



    Terry.
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    I was so close to buying a black Rover with gray or black guts, but at the last minute I decided to go with gray on gray. I don't see what the big deal is about black on black cars in FL. All cars are hot inside during the summer. The Aviator I traded in with tan seats was just as hot inside as the black on black CLK. Granted the CLK may have been a few degrees warmer, but that's the price I paid for having such a nice looking car.
  • andre1969andre1969 Member Posts: 26,022
    I had an '89 Gran Fury that was a former police car. I bought it in August 1998, and it had around 73,500 miles on it at the time. I paid around $3400 for it, which was probably high, but it had been refurbished and had some work put into it. Also had a fresh paint job on it, so it looked brand-new. It was a sheriff's car, and pretty well-equipped, with a Chrysler Infiniti stereo (the type with the little joystick to control the balance/fade) that was actually pretty bass-ey. Also had power windows, door locks, mirrors, tilt wheel WITH an airbag (rare at the time...most cars didn't even have an airbag yet, and with those that did, usually they didn't have a tilt wheel). It also had cloth seats, carpeting, etc, so inside it didn't look like a police car, except for the 125 mph speedo, the added-on oil pressure gauge, an extra light in the ceiling just aft of the rearview mirror, and a switch under the dash to kill the interior lights (so the cops could get in and out of the car/trunk at night without drawing attention to themselves). It also had some wires that ran to the seat, but it didn't have a power seat, so I dunno what they were there for. Oh, it also had all the interior chimes disabled, and the light switches in the doorjambs. You had to use the switch under the dash to turn the interior lights on and off.

    In restrospect, it wasn't that great of a car. I drove it to about 118,000 miles. Probably would've gotten more miles out of it, but it was such a guzzler that when I bought an Intrepid a little over a year later, this car got driven very little. Never had a bit of trouble with the engine or tranny during that time, but something else was always breaking. Two power window motors, the fuel pump, distributor, several starters, valve covers, front seal, radiator, a freeze plug (evidently the Richmond VA police ran it with just water for awhile), and a few other odds and ends. It seemed like it was constantly breaking vacuum hoses, too, but then you almost couldn't take the air cleaner assembly off without busting one!

    Now the engine wasn't original. It had died at around 73K miles...#8 cam lobe wore off. I've heard it was a defect, that Chrysler had a run of bad camshafts in '89, and they'd often go bad around 70-90,000 miles. The shop I bought this car from had put in a 318 out of a wrecked '88 Diplomat that had about 75,000 miles on it.

    Overall, I guess it wasn't a HORRIBLE car, and I don't know if most of what went wrong with it was because it was an ex police car, or if that was just it being a Chrysler! :P I don't know if the experience would ever sour me to buying another ex police car, but just keep in mind that most of them, since they're beefed up, aren't going to get very good fuel economy. And I've also heard that a good rule of thumb is that whatever the mileage it has, figure it has about the same wear and tear on it as a civilian car with double the mileage! So a 75K mile police car is like a 150K mile civvy car. But then, I used this thing to deliver pizzas, so I don't know if that was much gentler than what police duty would be!

    I think I'd be concerned about most FWD modern police cars, though...stuff like the Lumina, Impala, Intrepid, Taurus, etc. They might make 'em more reliable in general these days, but they're just not as beefy and durable, and can't take a beating like an old RWD Caprice, Gran Fury, etc could. A Crown Vic would probably be the best bet in a newer used police car, though, since they're still RWD, body-on-frame, and relatively simple and durable.
  • fish8fish8 Member Posts: 2,282
    You could get a brand new van for that price. Foe about $5,000 more you can get a fully decked out Chrysler T & C Touring. We just bought one fro about $23,500 with Leather package, Rear DVD, Side airbags, Sirius and more!!!! It amazes me that some people would consider buying this Sienna for $18.5 just because it has a Toyota emblem......
  • vwvw1vwvw1 Member Posts: 18
    Hi, can you tell me what's the real value (trade-in & private) for a 03 540 silver / black interior, automatic with the sports pkg (it's got the 18' wheels and looks like the M5), sun shades, premium stereo and has about 38,000 miles. It also has the M5 interior titanium trim and the spoiler, don't know if that adds value or not. It's also a CPO for 6yr/100k. The car in very clean, minor scratches on the bumper (hardly noticiable) and a couple of tiny paint ships on the hood. Wheels are in perfect shape and but the tires will need replacing.

    Thanks for your help.
  • vwvw1vwvw1 Member Posts: 18
    I forgot to add that the location of the car is in Boston, MA
  • alyssazmomalyssazmom Member Posts: 142
    Looking to trade in for a new Toyota Sienna:

    2003 VW Passat GLS Sedan 1.8T Automatic triptronic
    Candy white/ Tan Leather interior
    Just under 22,000 miles
    No dings, interior is good
    Monsoon sound system
    Cold weather package (heated seats, side mirrors, etc)
    Leather interior
    Homelink garage opener
    no accidents
    20148 area- Northern Virginia

    We owe $17,900 and need to get out of it and into a minivan (baby #3 is due in September!) :cry:

    Thanks!

    Carrie
  • katherine6katherine6 Member Posts: 61
    Thanks for all your advice. My friend is out at a couple of dealers this morning, including the one which is holding the 2001 Toyota Sienna for $18,600. Your assessment of its value was helpful.You probably can't appreciate how little the rest of us non-car people know about how to buy cars. It really is like reading secret code to most of us, even if we do the research we, or at least I, don't know what the research MEANS without folks like you translating for me.

    Mathias, I agree, the salt country thing is a bummer; personally, I think all of us who live in Massachusetts should buy our used cars in Callifornia, preferably in January and February... Someone could make some serious money figuring out how to make that happen.

    Fish 8, congrats on the new T and C. Drive it in good health. My friend is turning in a Dodge minivan, can't remember exactly what model, so I don't think the emblem is the main issue. Getting a solid, reliable van that she can put a lot of miles on for a sub-20K allocation of funds is the "challenge."

    Terry - brilliant... as always. Hope she gets something in the $ range you suggest.
    Have you heard from Oprah yet?

    I'll keep you posted.
  • katherine6katherine6 Member Posts: 61
    Thanks for all your advice. My friend is out at a couple of dealers this morning, including the one which is holding the 2001 Toyota Sienna for $18,600. Your assessment of its value was helpful.You probably can't appreciate how little the rest of us non-car people know about how to buy cars. Even if we do the research we, or at least I, don't know what the research MEANS without folks like you taking us behind the scenes. I would have read CR and magbe a newspaper or web article if they happened to be current while I was looking to buy... You guys make sense of whats out there

    Mathias, I agree, the salt country thing is a bummer; personally, I think all of us who live in Massachusetts should buy our used cars in Callifornia, preferably in January and February... Someone could make some serious money figuring out how to make that happen.

    Fish 8, congrats on the new T and C. Drive it in good health. My friend is turning in a Dodge minivan, can't remember exactly what model, so I don't think the emblem is the main issue. Getting a solid, reliable van that she can put a lot of miles on for a sub-20K allocation of funds is the "challenge."

    Terry - brilliant... as always. Hope she gets something in the $$ range you suggest. Aside from being dead on with the numbers you might think of stand-up comedy. Have you heard from Oprah yet?

    I'll keep you posted.

    Katherine
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