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One more thing, maybe the Limosine people might like a bigger more powerful engine.
And maybe some 90 year old grandma might get a kick out of lighting up the tires. I am just a kid and just might want to do it too.
AND why does the flat black paint come off the chrome around the window?
I just got back from a trip to Reno from my Silicon Valley home. If you're not familiar, those are 9,000 foot mountains to climb. This is the second trip there in my new TC, and I rented several and made the same trip before buying.
I had back surgery a few years ago, and also ride motorcycles all over, and I am quite fit. No seat in the industry is better than the TC with the lumbar support. The best part is that on a long trip, you have room to move around a bit too. Recaro-type seats that have high sides prevent this.
The car handles great, and the motor has plenty of HP to pass anything going over the Sierra's. The 4.6L motor is GREAT in the Sierra's as well as the flats. I can't see why anyone would poo-poo the motor. Anyone who says the motor is inadequate in any way, is not speaking from experience. Period.
As for it's being an old geezer's car. Well, I don't think so. I have a 12 year old, and a thirteen year old kid. Each of them prefer to be driven around in the TC because all their friends (and their parents) think it's REALLY cool.
Believe me, with the TS option, there's not much you need to do to make this a real nice ride.
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I do not believe that the 4.6L motor was poo-pooed. I just think that the M-8 motor would better compliment a Luxury "Sport Touring" Sedan like the Lincoln Town Car.
I know everybody has their own buying motives, such as the S-55 people. So why can't Lincoln people like more power than they are going to use all the time? or ever?
I do need to take a Lincoln Town Car with the Signature Touring Package for an extended test drive.
The trunk swallowed up a cello, viola, and two violins all in bulky cases just fine.
When I was 16, I drove an Imperial. A TC would make a fine car for a teenager - a very lucky teenager. Used to be that Caddies, Imperials and Lincolns were great cars for kids and much prized because they were: safe, spacious, and had lots of HP to carry around all the friends that showed up for a free ride to whereever.
Bean Counters, Please ADD a few more to the Lincoln Town Cars (Pot).
Has the average age been going up or down in recent years?
What does the dealerships records show on this?
Are the average ages of buyers of new Lincoln vehicles the same average as the Cad vehicles?
Of the total number of new Devilles sold, what percentage are DTS's sold?
Of the total number of new Town Cars,what percentage have the "Sport Package" when sold?
...WHY???...
For the record, I'm twenty years old, and my favorite cars are full size, RWD sedans. My first car was a Grand Marquis, and my dream car is a Jag Vanden Plas. (Although I'm not sure if the Jag qualifies as "full size" or not.) Town Cars are also very (dare I say this?) cool, though.
I like the cars, one criticism, the drivers seat is not comfortable for long trips. It does not give sufficient support. My wife's Ford Explorer has a far better seat. The Touring Sedan is too busy in mountain driving, shift points are poorly chosen. I will probably buy another TC, I drive them about 70,000 miles. Present car gives about 3 miles per gallon poorer mileage.
I love the front - suggests to me what a Couger ought to look like - but the sides just look like love handles to me. I can see that anytime I care to - all I need is a mirror!
I think the TC ought to join me on the Norditrack.
Turnpike Ken
I too am in the 45 yr old bracket. I doubt that the average age of TC buyers is over 60 - especially since fleet buyers probably outnumber personal buyers by about 3-1. Of course, repeat byers could skew the numbers. In general I believe anyone buying a $40k car will always be in the middle aged bracket.
Lyntonw - Concerning the TS option, wow - different strokes for different folks! I love the seat, and I'm about 250 pounds. My spouse (116 pounds) finds it to be heaven. I find it to be just great cruising over the Sierra mountains - with cruise control on, shifts are almost imperceptable, and not at all annoying. I once drove an older (30k miles plus) rental TC (no TS option) over the Sierras, and the cruise control caused the shift points to be really obnoxious. I'm sure something was broken.
I've put some time in the Explorer seats too, so I can't imagine someone finding them better, but who am I to second-guess. I do know however that there are a whole lot of adjustments to be made in the TC seats. Many times my kids will get in and move the seats around, and they are just painful in that position. A lot of people don't know how, or don't care to take the time to adjust the seat to the best position. I would suggest the wife take some time to experiment and set the seat up correctly for her preference.
With the lumbar support and the perforated leather I find the TC with TS option to be A+ on trips long (5-8 hours) or short.
I will definitely buy another TC, with the TS option at trade in time. Every long trip I take confirms this (10k miles since March, several trips over 250 miles each way in California mountains).
Some things I want to see: a handy place to put my cell phone without pulling out the ashtray (I understand the 2001 has a built in phone finally). Maybe a little tray in the center for phone, glasses etc. I want the older trip computer with time to destination. And, a little cargo net in the trunk would be nice.
I'm considering:
1. Trunk organizer
2. Additional CD cassette, so that I can pre-load it and just switch out a six-pack, and reload it at my leisure
3. Some place to put my cell phone where I can get at it easily
4. Pinstriping. The wife shot this down, but I may not give up on this.
5. Heat seeking missile for drivers of lesser cars that need to impose themselves at unsafe times and distances.
More suggestions? How do owners of the Cartier edition like the options on that model?
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And, mountain driving gave some real flukey shifts.
I would not get it again, I would order the Cartier series, get the big engine and the standard transmission.
Of course, the launch button will have to be conveniently located on the steering wheel for quick, easy access!
Turnpike Ken
The 2000 TCs are almost identical, but don't have the adjustable foot pedals that are important to shorter drivers.
By the way, what car did you previously drive before the TC? What made you choose the TC? What model and options did you order? What other cars, or options within the TC line did you consider? How do you like the car so far?
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Those are the wrong alternatives, there is only one choice to get the max out of your money - Our little boys love to ride in the "batmobile", the black '99 Town Car, which provides more space and comfort than any other available car. Clients respect it very much, and feel the sense of place - this is America.
Since some 'friends' mistook it as a company car [that is the effect of those fleet buyers], I had to add a white '66 Continental Conv to complete the Yin&Yang symbol, though.
I have not driven it enough for a full review, but so far I love it.
They are very nice looking, and compliment the perforated leather and birds-eye walnut that are also part of the TS package.
You're dealer/salesman is WRONG. DEMAND the proper set. They should consider the other set from the Exec as a loaner until the proper set are delivered.
The TS option is sufficiently rare that many dealers don't see any, or very few.
I think you are going to like your TS, if my experience is any guide. I've had mine for about 10k miles now. Some impressions -
- I love the car. It's quiet, fast, handles very well, and makes driving a pleasure
- Everyone who gets in the car loves it. Room, comfort, and quiet for everyone.
- Alpine stereo system with CD was a great choice. It really makes the car a joy.
- Mileage: average per tank of gas, mostly stop and go commute 18 mpg. Freeway trips, hilly terrain, 70 mph average, 23 mpg; flat terrain 24 mpg.
- Ability to use 87 octane in all conditions, and never a ping of loss of power, even over the Sierras is great.
- The Michelins are a super tire.
- Dimension measurements do not do the interior comfort justice. No other car this side of a Rolls has the room of a TC.
- I am so glad I didn't buy FWD...
- Response from everyone to the car is positive. Kids, colleagues, fellow auto enthusiasts all give the car high praise.
It's true - SUV's, Lexus's, etc. are not even in the same class, and European 'Ultra Luxury' have no option or quality that is worth the extra tens of thousands of $$.
I look forward to trade-in time when I can get another new one.
dbd34, this is the first time I have ever seen someone say they love their car so much they can't wait to get rid of it!
And I am one of those dorky dippy car nut kids, and I like the whine of first gear and the drop in pitch as it shifts to second. It sounds just like the Crown Vic taxis I'm interested in buying. I think a 1998 Crown Vic for $4000 is a good deal, and I don't care if it is yellow. If they're all gone, fine, I'll still get one of the black Town Cars, since there are plenty of those hanging around New York and New Jersey.
Long live my old silver 1979 Chrysler LeBaron, wherever it is!
One of my cars is a 96 Deville w/Northstar engine and it does move swiftly down the pike with no problem. The 275hp engine loafs along.... Its my wife's car and she is not a pokey driver; however she likes some of the Lincoln's exterior colors and also the white leather option. Another Ford trait is the whinny transmission which is not a piece of art.
I am worried that the Lincoln low-power hauling around 4000# is a gutless wonder. I am aware of the performance pkg upping the hp and stiffening the suspension for firmer handling as great add-ons; but is it enough for $40,000. Believe me, I wish Cad offered a firmer suspension option on the Deville without having to go to the DTS upgrade for an additional $5,000.
I would appreciate some sound answers for I would like to return to the rwd cars, but need the power,and reliability to make the switch. Ford's ability to make lots of money as a company reflects in the product line where the engine/transmisson and the entire driveline hasn't changed in 10 years.
My other car is a 99 Olds Intrigue which is powered by a multi-valve V-6 of 215 hp pushing a 3400# car and it loves the 85mph cruise.
The basic Lincoln/Crown Vic suspension layout is simple which I like; however I need a few stories about the lasting ability of Lincolns.
There is an outfit in Indianapolis, Ind that beefs up the suspension and tweaks the engine to 285hp on Crowns and Lincolns; but the cost is $8500 and is covered by warranty...