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This is only recently, however. Even a year ago
I wasn't as good at it and I've driven a lot.
By the way, I've asked you about ES seats. I wasn't being sarcastic. I didn't mean to be sarcastic, anyway. So many people hate ES seats and ergonomics and for good reasons. I was wondering if you or your wife had any issues with them. It's ok you don't have to tell me:)
jesk,
Who died and made you the spellcheck police.
i now own 2 '00 jags and really and truly enjoy their originallity, their design, and their performance.
Audis stick to the road and track a line better than a Mercedes (by far). The Quattro system
is the premier AWD system. No serious person
would think an Audi was an imitation MB (imition of 4matic? no), Jag (get real), or BMW (RWD and totally different philosophy). So you had bad experiences with Audi. Lots of people do.
M
BTW, would it really make you feel better if Lexus was releasing a LS 440 or a LS 420 in 2001?
scongro,
I would rather it stayed LS400, people won't confuse that with those "430" badged cars from you know who.
M
91 of 102: Actually, "ctic" (autobahner1) Mon 21 Jun '99 (02:47 PM)
You might also find it educational to research the
proud history of what is currently known as Audi.
You would find that Auto Union, DKW, and NSU all
trace their roots to the earliest automotive days.
Actually, to my knowledge, each of those makes
produced race winning automobiles before BMW
existed as a car company.
M, The Lexus SC is sufficiently original
M
Lexus, Nissan made
Infiniti, Honda made Acura
drive a jag ,and you'll understand why it being imitated so much
The 300e switched to a 3.2L engine in 1993, but retained the "300" part of the name, and the 400e NEVER had a 4.0L V8 engine.
As you can see, the Mercedes-Benz model line roughly followed displacement-badging, but not to the letter. They didn't change to strictly following this system until 1994.
Mercedes-Benz will also break from this system in 2001, when the V12 engine returns. The car will be called the S600, but have a 5.8L engine. Personally, I think this is a good thing; I think S580 sounds retarted.
What I was getting at in my post was that Lexus was the first to use the displacement-badging system, and stick to it 100%.
BTW, since I can smell all of you Mercedes-Benz lovers heating up, I am not saying that Mercedes-Benz copied the Lexus system.
Who imitates a Jaguar except Jaguar?
Regarding the only reason people drive Lexus is because it is cheap and imitation:
1. People who care about being cheap don't buy 55k cars.
2. Lexus build quality has been industry standard for 10 years. All the complaining about
Lexus copying is great but Mercedes should copy
Lexus build quality (not going to happen).
3.2TL
Sorry!
Very Sorry!
M
btw, the one thing that pi#$$$ me off was the toyota logo on the lexis'windshield ......for that kind of money, cann't they at least stamp a "lexus"logo?????????????????
M
Jaguar introduced a retro Jaguar sedan, therfore a copy. And the mechanicals are made by Ford?
This is original to you?
In terms of not introducing anything, you and I spend, perhaps, too much time on design. Toyota is one of the premier engineering companies in the world.
In terms of build quality, from a German car perspective (and that's my state of mind this summer), an LS400 doesn't have vault like solidity. On the road, it is competent, but it's no Audi. Build quality, however, refers to the
build quality of the entire car, the assembly, the parts from suppliers, the electrical system, everything. LS400 is smooth enough for you, old man, as Edmunds would say
Toyota is a good engineering company, but styling wise they can't produce a good looking car, much less a lust object. Buicks: LeSabre, awful, Park Avenue, not as awful, Rivera undecided, all Jaguar wannabe look-o-likes.
M
www.roadandtrack.com
Aren't there meaurements for that type of rigidity?
ferrari11,
I think platform sharing is great. I've been through these issues with SAAB.
M,
? I've driven a Riviera believe it or not but
I can't remember it looking like a Jaguar or not.
The other cars you mention look like Buicks to me.
And again I disagree. The current Lexus SC is a beautiful design.
Hello26,
The Park Ave and LeSabre both tried to look like Jaguars. The current WAS (?) a beautiful design, until they added a grille and side sills in 1997, that totally ruined it.
M
You wrote: ...the name [Lexus] was plucked out of the air, not from heritage like the others.
I hate to be the one to bring this up but
the name "Mercedes" was someone or other's daughter, and was chosen for no reason other than marketing.
M
M
Jesk,
I have a Bachelor degree in business from the University of South Florida and I'm presently working on my Masters. My grammar is sometimes questionable I'm sure. Usually I'm typing fast and don't proof what I've written. So what? I still have owned all the cars that I've mentioned. And by the way, I just ordered a platnium Rolex today. Player hate on that while you're at it. While you check my spelling, I'll continue living "the good life". Peace, love, and Soooooooooul train.
Hello26,
I'm sorry, I thought that I'd answered the ES300 seats question. The ES300 was our first luxury car. I bought it for our first anniversary. Anyway, I can't remember the seats honestly. I was just happy to own a Lexus at the time. We only kept the car for about 9 months because of the air conditioning problems we had, which Lexus refused to fix. We sold the car to a Lexus dealer in Orlando and loss about 3000 dollars. Not a good anniversary gift. Sorry I couldn't be more help.
2jags2,
I hope you are enjoying your Jaguars. People always player hate on Jaguars. I see you have already seen that. Beauty is often attacked. Anyway, I've really enjoyed my Jags. They are "crowd pleasers" amost anywhere my wife and I go. I guess you have to own a Jaguar to truly appreciate its charm. No they are not the most technically advanced, but who cares, they are special. Exotic by nature and often leaving people in a state of awe. Good luck with the Jags.
To all,
Hope your Fathers day was nice and that you have a happy 4th of July. Be safe.