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As for as the oil filter placement, the designers are insane. I too had to buy an oil filter wrench to get the fool thing off originally and it's a royal pain in the butt to get off since. It's virtually impossible to remove unless the engine has been dead cold; otherwise the surrounding componenets are too hot. Plus the stupid filter still #$%^^^ drips oil on the starter when you remove it!
Also, I don't see the Impala as being an "import-fighter," like many people view the Taurus as being. I'd say that GM's "import-fighters" are the Intrigue, Alero, and possibly the Saturn LS (despite horrible sales.) I view the Impala's competition as the Crown Victoria, Intrepid, and possibly Toyota's Avalon, not the Accord, or Camry which compete with the Taurus. I think the Malibu is the midsized car that Chevy uses as competition for the Accord and Camry.
Someone always claims that GM is #1 is you lump all the mid sized cars together. But, overall, GM is slipping in sales, while the 2000 Taurus/Sable are gaining sales.
There will be new "Epsilon" based cars coming in a few years, let's see how they do to reverse GM's 20 year slide.
Taurus I am sure that it would sell as well as the Taurus.
Its a global marketplace. All the car makers are merging so much there will only be just a few (maybe five large car companies) left in the world in ten years.
GM and Ford will be the only US based companies, but that really means that this is where most of the mmanagement is. They will engineer and make cars all over the world, Mexico, Europe, Asia. Same companies. So really it don't mean squat because all car companies will be global.
There's always potential that someday, most of your basic sedans will be built in places like Korea because of cost. Yet, today it is still more cost advantageous for companies to build cars here. And GM and Ford are not the only ones who build cars here. Just about all the major brands manufacture a portion of their cars here. Again, global.
Maybe someday people will just give up this whole Detroit vs. the world thing because it the automakers don't care anymore. Why should the customers. As long as we provide plenty of employment here to make them, other than that whether its Detroit or anyplace else won't have any affect on the performance of the car.
Cars are a global business.
producing Ford Focus (Foci?) in its Japanese
plants. This just dovetails quite nicely with the
recent posts about cars being a global business.
Link to Focus Article
Cheers,
TB
;-)
Sounds like Ford sold a whole bunch of cars to the rental fleets. Honda sells their Accords as fast as they can make them. Virtually all of them for retail sale. Which car do you think sells closer to sticker price? Thats right, the Accord. Honda had its best June ever in its history in terms of sales. You should be thankful for Honda and Toyota, it's because of them that the big three have made big improvements in quality. Everyone isn't like you in that they will buy domestic cars no matter how bad they are. Where are you getting your sales figures from? I read that the domestics lost market share to the foreign automakers last month. Anyway, take away the Taurus sales to rental fleets and they're no way near being #1. Yeh, I'm a Honda man soon to be a VW man. Don't think of me as being pro-Japanese. I just think Hondas are great and they just happen to be from Japan. Honda made a deal to sell 450,000 V6 engines to GM over a five year period. So be careful when you buy your next GM car. It could have a Honda engine. I'm done with my ranting.
I'll take the V-6 from Honda, but not their horrendous shifting automatic transmissions.
Obviously if you are here you probably fall into one of the fallowing categories:
1. You own a Taurus.
2. You want to own a Taurus.
3. You secretly admire the Taurus, but since you made another choice in vehicles you would like to find fault in what you wish you would have purchased.
4. You are checking out your very competitive competition.
5. You have nothing better do with your time than surf from page to page finding someone to fight with so that you can have some one to converse with. (If this is you, you are pathetic)
If you do not fall into any other category than 1 of 2 please save your fingers and our eyes by leaving.
I have been very happy with my Taurus. I like the ride and adequate power. If I wanted to go 0-60 in less that 7 sec I would have just gotten a Honda....... Motorcycle that is. Yes Honda makes a good reliable car. So does GM, Toyota, and Even Hyundai now. If you own any thing other that a Taurus I hope you are happy with it, but please tell some one else.
Yes I Have a very thick SKULL (Read---->NOT SCULL)that's why I can't possibly secretly admire one of the 7 wonders of automotive history: The Ford Taurus! Tada!.
Your Favorite MARTIAN,
TEO
After 11/4/99 the SE Special Value Group and the SE Comfort Group were redesignated as SES and SEL respectively -- The badging seems to have taken about six months to catch up. By the way, how did you order an "L" ... my dealer can't find any individual lettering if I would want to put on an "S" for my SES. What part number did you order?
For this model year, Ford is selling fewer cars to renatl fleets. So, the old "the sales are to rentals" doesn't wash anymore. The 2000 Taurus is selling better than the Cam-cord and that is that. Also, more imports are going to fleets, so soon resale will come down, too.
"Honda sells their Accords as fast
as they can make them. Virtually all of them for
retail sale. Which car do you think sells closer
to sticker price? Thats right, the Accord."
Hondas usually are loaded with dealer add on crap that buyers "have to get". Check some Honda message boards and see. Also, my friend works for Honda customer service, he gets calls every day from people who leased an Accord and realize they paid too much and want out.
99taurus:
I guess I fall into categories 4 and 5. In regards to category 5, I thought the purpose of these postings is to converse with others. One thing we all have in common is that we're auto enthusiasts. I don't think I spend anymore time than anybody else reading and writing posts. Doesn't it get boring conversing with someone who thinks just like you about cars? The Accord and Taurus are fierce competitors. So what is so awful about Accord and Taurus owners needling each other a bit. Just don't get personal.
1. You own a Taurus.
2. You want to own a Taurus.
3. You secretly admire the Taurus, but since you
made another choice in vehicles you would like to
find fault in what you wish you would have
purchased.
4. You are checking out your very competitive
competition.
5. You have nothing better do with your time than
surf from page to page finding someone to fight
with so that you can have some one to converse
with. (If this is you, you are pathetic)
Hey why don't we talk about the 32 valve 3.4 litre v8 motor in my Taurus SHO and why Ford is darn foolish for not continuing to build a Taurus with this jewel of a motor?
Or why don't we talk about how when I sit in my SHo (most comfortable seats you can buy in this price range) I can't help but think of how comfy and cushy this car is and not tacky like a typical GM sedan that reminds you of your grandpas 1971 lesabre.
Or why don't we talk about the tremendous value and how a family on a budget can buy a well built contemporary reliable good looking feature laden family sedan with lots of room for not much more than 16-20 grand?
JUST DON"T TALK ABOUT THE DOOR MOLDING!!!!!
Badly out of alignment when new. Took 3 tries for Ford to get a decent alignment.
The motor mount that failed.
The air conditioner that leaked.
The air conditioner clutch that failed.
The water pump that failed.
The windshield wiper that failed.
The paint that appeared to 'evaporate' off the car. Top and trunk were down to primer in 3 years.
The clutch that was really bad when new, and worsened to being a monster.
This was within 42,000 miles. This was the worse new car for things failing since my 1972 Corvette.
Ok, there were some good things...
The motor, the motor, the motor, the motor.
The cloth interior was very nice. The seats were very nice (after you dragged yourself over the tall side bolster and got into them).
It was quiet and very stable on the highway.
It was very fast. Very quick from a dead stop even with the horror of a clutch. I ran it to 135mph and it still had more left. And was very stable at this speed........
But the things that failed - still not sure if I would buy another Taurus because of it.
P.S. This was the V-6 motor. I drove the Automatic V-8 (1995 or so????) thinking this might be a better 'fit'. It was much slower than my V-6, so much that I wasn't interested in it.
Post #358:
Its definitely not items #1,#2, or #3 for me. Are there any Taurus owners on this topic who are friendly with outsiders?
Thankfully, I bought it from the original owner who had replaced a lot of that stuff for me.
Oh but what I'd do to get that car back. Fast! Effortless highway cruising. Unreal handling.
The motor was so good in that car. It made me forgive all the things that would periodically need fixing. The motor itself was bulletproof though.
Thanks,
rb
Don't take the credit for shaking up a hornet's nest ... it was well under way before you posted #346. If everyone remembers that this is the Taurus topic and tempers their posts accordingly, then Taurus owners can be quite friendly to the "outsiders". I don't come online to get blasted by some jerk with an opposing opinion in my own car model topic -- it gets real old, REAL FAST ... Everyone can take it somewhere else!
regfootball,
I agree -- I don't care who posts here as long as I don't have to read any more "Brand xxx is better than Taurus" posts. Not too familiar with the SHO ... what output did the 3.4L V8 have and what do you foresee Ford possibly doing for the SHO in the future? As far as the door moulding issue goes -- This was [is] addressing a REAL and CURRENT problem some owners are experiencing. If you are not interested in possibly HELPING, then let it be (looks like ohio7 has gotten a good fix on it).
fordman33,
My last fill-up this morning netted 24+ mpg for around town and inter-city (mixed driving, 55 mph max, no A/C). Drops to 22 mpg with A/C on. Able to get 28 mpg on the inter-state running at 65 mph. I have the 24V engine and have had the recall reprogramming recently done -- seems to shift just a little differently ... slower to downshift when you push on the gas (doesn't wind-up quite so easily).
Now, the only reason I'd buy this car is because it's a lot cheaper than the Maxima. But I'm afraid of the reliability issue. Can anyone help me on this? I don't want to spend all the money I'd save on repairs. BTW, the car is an automatic.
Fuel Pump broke left me and family at roadside.
Roadside assistance was bad(would not provide a rental). Dealer said many other 2000 Taurus' have same problem(no recall yet). Fuel pump problem is present on all engine versions from what 3 different service men said. Found pump installed redesigned pump(pumps are on back order). Still like the way the car looks, feels and it is roomy. Getting 24mpg city 27mpg highway. Gets better than that when I push.
The intent of my comment was not that I own the topic, but that the topic matches the model of car that I own (duh). As far as names -- if the shoe fits ....
I found your comment that Honda made a deal to sell 450,000 V6 engines to GM over a five year period and malibu99 responding that they were going into 4 cylinder vehicles most amusing -- Thanks malibu99.
I agree with reesej. Intelligent conversation is very acceptable in this topic. Feel free to compare your car to my Taurus here, but don't tell me my car "sucks" (which it doesn't) because it is a Ford, or because it doesn't look like a Camry. And please no "Found on road dead" garbage.