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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005
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You think that's bad, they also have MAJOR issues with about 9-10 years worth of 3.1L and 3.4L engines out there with bad head gaskets that prematurely break down and allow coolant to mix with the oil. Search the web a little bit, and you'll see LOTS of owners with the same issue....matter of fact, even check Ebay and you'll most likely run into at least a few GM minivans being sold "as is" in need of a head gasket, and they don't have many miles at all.
One would naturally think drivetrains are GM's strong suit, but problems like these have become quite common, though I think they are 95% resolved via updates in design and material to these engines and their components for '04 and newer vehicles.
Deletions
GTP Sedan model
Interior trim (52*) Parchment/Dark Pewter
Interior trim (69*) Dark Pewter
Exterior color (12U) Galaxy Silver Metallic
Exterior color (15U) Sedona Beige Metallic
Exterior color (56U) Fusion Orange Metallic
Exterior color (88U) Graystone Metallic
(PDE) Comfort and Info Package
(PDF) Comfort and Infotech Package
(PCH) Leather Trim Package
(PCI) Driver's Package
(PCM) Driver's Package Plus
(PCJ) Premium Audio Package
(WS6) Competition Group
New Features
Interior trim (19*) Ebony
Interior trim (31*) Cashmere
Exterior color (46U) Stealth Gray Metallic
Exterior color (53U) Bronzestone Metallic
Exterior color (67U) Liquid Silver Metallic
(PCQ) Premium Package, includes (AR9) Seats, front Leather-appointed seating, bucket, with passenger side map pocket (Grand Prix/GT), (AR9) Seats, front buckets, Leather-appointed seating with UltraLux Suede inserts (GXP) (CJ2) Air conditioning, dual-zone, automatic, (U40) DIC/Trip computer, 5-button system and (KA1) Seats, heated, driver and front passenger
(PDE) Sun and Sound Package, includes (CF5) Sunroof, power, (U87) Sound system feature, Monsoon premium speaker system and (UC6) Sound system, ETR AM/FM stereo with 6-disc CD changer
(PDF) Security Package, includes (AY1) Air bags, side roof rail, front/rear, (JL9) Brakes, 4-wheel disc, Electronic Brake Force Distribution, antilock, (UJ6) Tire Inflation Monitor System, (NW7) Traction control, Enhanced Traction System (ETS), powertrain modulated (Grand Prix) and (NW9) Traction control, Full Function, powertrain and brake modulated (GT and GXP)
(B3Q) Accents, interior, chrome are included in (PCM) Preferred Package on 2WP69 and are standard on 2WR69 and 2WC69
Changes
Fog lamps are no longer standard on Grand Prix
(QB5) Wheels, 16" (40.6 cm) Black painted steel, with bolt-on wheel covers will be available on Fleet orders only
(PDX) Sport Package contains new content. (PDX) Sport Package includes (N10) Exhaust, stainless-steel, dual outlets, dual exhaust, (QP1) Wheels, 16" (40.6 cm) aluminum, polished, 5-spoke, (T96) Fog lamps, (TVP) Headlamps, projector-beam, (JL4) StabiliTrak Sport, (KB7) Transmission controls, floor shift, 5-position PRNDL, TAPshift, (NV8) Steering, power, rack-and-pinion, Magnasteer II variable assist and (UV6) Head-up Display (HUD)
(PCM) Preferred Package, includes (A85) Seat, front passenger seatback, flat-folding, (AL9) Seat adjuster, power, lumbar, driver, 4-way, (AP3) Remote vehicle start, (AP9) Cargo net, (NP5) Steering wheel, leather-wrapped rim and shift knob, (TR9) Premium Lighting Package, (UK3) Steering wheel, steering wheel mounted radio controls, (V62) Lifestyle Package, (VY7) Shift knob, leather-wrapped and (B3Q) Accents, interior, chrome
Interior enhancements including mini-perforated leather on the leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob and rubber cupholder inserts
Cigarette lighter door removed providing additional storage within the center console
(AL9) Seat adjuster, power, lumbar driver, 2-way (was 4-way in 2005)
And yes, the '06 GT does get the 3.8L Supercharged from this year's GTP. So, 3 choices now with the 5.3 V8 being at the top.
So am I to understand that bolt on covers are only available on fleet orders and that alloys are standard on all GPs?
2005 Ford Thunderbird
1995 Lexus SC300
1999 Jaguar XK8 coupe
Is this true? Does this mean the instrumentation and the vents will be chrome, like the G6? This is amazing if its true. They seemed to make the seat adjustment 2 way now... bad news...
Gm's problems will not be solved by give or take options, it will be by fighting off the union and reduing labor costs, so they can afford to put these features in there cars.
I will admit, as for quality these new cars are vary competetive.
Would GM somehow increase its market share by 10% (to pre- last strike 29% from the current 26%), the costs per car would drop by $500. Good enough to lower price, or add content by the same $500. It will increase market share even more. Virtuous circle.
Probably, it would be even better to invest the savings in designing more modern cars and better manufacturing methods. In addition, if GM finances improves, its bonds rating will improve too, and GM will save on interest.
Nissan and Chrysler demonstrated that auto manufacturers can increase its market share by offering better designs. Modern, with more powerful engines, and just better looking.
Of course, even big improvements will be wasted without creating virtuous circle if the results of the improvements are wasted, on unions or otherwise.
“Invoice on the Grand Prix that you inquired about is $30,354 so your price
would be $30,403 less GM's $2,500 rebate for a net cost of $27,903 plus tax
(if applicable.)”
The above is a result of an initial (GMBuypower) e-mail contact with the dealer closest to me (northeast of HotLanta) with a GXP inbound. MSRP was $33K even . . .
In the SouthEast, the current cash back on a GP = $2,500.
In the Detroit area (and most of the rest of the country, I believe) the number is $3,500. That would bring their $49 over Invoice price to just under $27K.
- Ray
Who would feel lucky, at this point, to have 1 (to test drive) within 50 miles . . .
1) We noticed a while back that when you turn the wheel hard to the left, there is a grinding noise coming from the front end. It doesnt happen turning towards the right, nor does it affect the alignment while driving, she still goes dead straight when taking your hands off the wheel.
2) The low coolant light has started coming on. Coolant is full and there is no leak, at least not on our driveway. Could this just be a censor problem? The light stay on for a about a mile or two then shuts off.
Any help you could give would be appreciated!!!
Thanks!
You must remove the whole back seat to get to the speakers and grilles.
My advice buy your speakers from crutchfield and they send you a diagram to do it with.
Phil
Can't really help with the coolant sensor issue. I assume that you checked the radiator (when cold - or you'll get burned) and not just the overflow bottle. If the radiator is indeed low and not the overflow container then you might have a cracked overflow hose or fittings.
--- Supercharger Whine--- I know that superchargers have a bit of a whine to them, especially when you stomp the gas, but mine has an almost cat-like whine from idle to the redline, no matter how lightly you hit the gas, and it keeps getting louder... it's plainly heard from both the inside and outside of the car, and it's almost embarassing, yet the dealership says everything is in spec. What could it be? I know 2 people with GTPs, a 99 with 85,000 miles, the other a 98 with 110,000 miles, and both cars' superchargers are far quieter than mine... Very aggravating
--- Front-End Noises and Vibrations--- My car constantly has a shimmy or shake to it, and I've had the wheels balanced countless times by now, along with new tires, and to no avail... also, when sitting still, if you turn the wheel, there's a faintly audible and plainly felt clunk that can be felt through the steering wheel AND floor. Yet everything is "in spec" with that, too.... am I just picky, or do I need to take it to another dealer?
---
I only get 14 MPG and I don't even get on it. I actually drift to red lights and no jack rabbit starts.
I don't understand it at all. Getting a new air filter today to hopefully raise it somewhat.
What is your city MPG?
It sounds as intermediate steering shaft needs lube. A pretty standard thing with "W" cars. Many owners complained about the problem, especially often with 2000-2001 Impala. You can search for "intermediate steering shaft" on Impala board. GM provided dealers with special service kit and instructions.
However, the other symptoms you complained about, especially for pull, can point to something more serious.
- Ray
Impressed . . .
They just look evil in black, I love the wheel and red brakes.
Question.. do the GXPs come with an extra set of all seasons because it's listed that they have performance "summer tires" so I'm guessing you have to add some rims and all season tires to your $40K (Canadian) purchase?
:confuse:
Thanks in advance for any replies!!!!
Thanks in advance
I would like to know the coolant details for 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP...Can any one help me giving the details for the coolant ??
Thanks
kanth
Dave
Engine Coolant
The cooling system in the vehicle is filled with
DEX-COOL® engine coolant. This coolant is designed
to remain in the vehicle for five years or 150,000 miles
(240 000 km), whichever occurs first, if only
DEX-COOL® extended life coolant is added.
The following explains the cooling system and how to
add coolant when it is low. If there is a problem
with engine overheating or if coolant needs to be added
to the radiator, see Engine Overheating on page 5-27.
A 50/50 mixture of clean, drinkable water and
DEX-COOL® engine coolant will:
• Give freezing protection down to −34°F (−37°C).
• Give boiling protection up to 265°F (129°C).
• Protect against rust and corrosion.
• Help keep the proper engine temperature.
• Let the warning lights and gages work as they
should.
Notice: Using coolant other than DEX-COOL® may
cause premature engine, heater core or radiator
corrosion. In addition, the engine coolant may
require changing sooner, at 30,000 miles (50 000 km)
or 24 months, whichever occurs first. Any repairs
would not be covered by your warranty. Always use
DEX-COOL® (silicate-free) coolant in your vehicle.
What to Use
Use a mixture of one-half clean, drinkable water and
one-half DEX-COOL® engine coolant which will
not damage aluminum parts. If this coolant mixture is
used, nothing else needs to be added.
{CAUTION:
Adding only plain water to your cooling
system can be dangerous. Plain water, or
some other liquid such as alcohol, can boil
before the proper coolant mixture will. Your
vehicle’s coolant warning system is set for the
proper coolant mixture. With plain water or the
wrong mixture, your engine could get too hot
but you would not get the overheat warning.
Your engine could catch fire and you or others
could be burned. Use a 50/50 mixture of clean,
drinkable water and DEX-COOL® coolant.
Notice: If you use an improper coolant mixture,
your engine could overheat and be badly damaged.
The repair cost would not be covered by your
warranty. Too much water in the mixture can freeze
and crack the engine, radiator, heater core and
other parts.
If coolant needs to be added more than four times a
year, have your dealer check the cooling system.
Notice: If you use the proper coolant, you do not
have to add extra inhibitors or additives which claim
to improve the system. These can be harmful.
- from pages 5-24 / 5-25 of the 2005 manaul.
2004 is likely also online.
- Ray
Not sure what you’d need this info. for unless you have the car - and a (printed) manual. . .
Just f.y.i., as the GXP has been in production for a while, and is now available. . .
- Ray
Happy Grand Prix GXP driver . .
http://www.psesuperchargers.com/products.Orignal.Pontiac.GP9902.htm
Good luck and respond back please
It has 22,000 miles.
VIN #: 2G2WR524041324805 (If anyone can look up a record on this and let me know please do, I do not have any subscription with CarFax or anything.
AIR CONDITIONING
AM/FM STEREO RADIO CD PLAYER
CRUISE CONTROL
DRIVER SIDE AIR BAG
FRONT BUCKET SEATS
GAUGE CLUSTER
LEATHER UPHOLSTERY
MASTER WINDOW LOCK
PASSENGER SIDE AIR BAG
POWER BRAKES
POWER DOOR LOCKS
POWER DRIVER'S SEAT
POWER STEERING
POWER SUNROOF
POWER WINDOWS
RADIAL TIRES
RECLINING SEATS
STEREO CONTROL
IN STEERING
TACHOMETER
TILT STEERING WHEEL
TINTED GLASS
TRIP ODOMETER
It has driver side controls as well, and well it's pretty much fully loaded, except for having the manumatic transmission. Other than that it drives like a beast, and it's just awesome.
The dealership is asking 19,300 for the car, and they want 400 to take care of the DMV work such as getting plates.
If you guys could just advice me on what i'm paying too much for i'd appreciate it.
Thanks.
The dealership is asking 19,300 for the car, and they want 400 to take care of the DMV work such as getting plates.
If you guys could just advice me on what i'm paying too much for i'd appreciate it.”
Given that a new “base” GXP is now going for less than $25K (with GM Employee pricing for all), and it has everything I see listed above except the sunroof as standard, plus all of the CompG ‘goodies’ (including TapShift), plus the ‘beastliness’ of the 5.3L V8, and associated upgrades to wheels / tires, brakes, suspension w/Bilstein dampers, Magnasteer II, Stabilitrak Sport, significantly upgraded / strengthened 4T65-E trans., a Heads Up Display, the uplevel (5 button) Driver Information Center, etc., I do not see $19K worth of car in a 2004 with 22K miles.
Just my 0.2 gallons worth . . .
- Ray
Admitting bias = just bought a GXP, and achieving many ‘smiles per gallon’ . . .
Leather is NOT included in the GXP, it is an option.
My mistake.
Sorry for any confusion.
But my evaluation stands.
With GMS pricing in effect, I see no good reason to buy a 1 year old GTP with 22,000 miles for that price. . .
- Ray
No excuse . .
Think Twice
-Pull the radio from the vehicle
-Remove the face of the radio. The face is one unit that has clips that snap around the edges of the metal housing.
-Once removed you will see the bulb behind the display screen.
-Remove the bulb by placing a flat screw driver in the slot in the center of the bulb housing and turn.
-Replace bulb.
I'm not sure were you can order a replacement. I went to my local automotive store and found a similar bulb, removed the new bulb from it's housing and soldered it into the existing radio housing.
It was rather simple. Good luck.
Now if I could only get my back speakers to work all the time and my cd player to work. (error E20) I'd be happy!
I assume it's coming from within the blower motor, since that sits under the dash behind the glove box, hence the sound originating at the passenger side. Does the fan or motor need replacing/lubricating? Is this something easily performed "DIY"?
Thanks,
-Mark
also, the tracion controll seems to not work either. could it be that all i have to do is replace the module (information cluster above the radio)?
chris