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Enjoy your new wheels!
We leave next Saturday to pick up our 01 S80 T6 in Gothenburg on Monday the 15th. Staying at Hotel Gothia. Any of you TDS veterans have any thoughts on shopping (not my idea of fun!)restaurants etc?
water in the headlights is a design flaw by volvo.my dealer has ordered "shields" from Volvo to correct this problem.i"ll keep all informed once this is fixed.
"hooked to vadis pulled codes abs-00A2 & abs-00A3.replaced central accel.sensor and per techline mark abs control module."
hope this additional info helps!
I was astonished to find out the part assembly to replace it is $300 and to do the work will involve removing the front bumper and 3 hours of work!
I will be picking up my car in a couple months, and am a bit nervous about Volvo reliability. I do love the S60 and S80 though.
Thanks!
dougf2, I don't know if it's accurate, but I did see a post recently where a person was claiming it cost them $1,200 for replacement of a headlight assembly on their BMW (I'm guessing it must have been a HID lamp). $300+ is bad but I suspect it's not out of line compared to the rest of the European sedans. Of course none of these cars are going to compare to say a Ford Taurus when it comes to parts.
Good luck.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
p.. - I just had to buy a new fog light assembly for my S80 since mine got cracked. It cost $82 which wasn't cheap but I don't think is that bad either.
Related, I see on ebay xenon or hid headlamps advertised for the S80 (cheap - like $40 for a pair). I look at the seller's complaint log and don't see too many people with problems. Anyone replaced their headlights with these? Then again, they might be difficult to install.
I had the moisture in both headlights of my MY2000 S80 T6. There is a service bulletin for this issue. I do not have it at hand. While it may go away on its own, it did not on mine. The dealer should be able to find the fix readily. This issue was disscussed late in Part Two or early in Part Three of this Edmund's Volvo S80 topic. Since the "fix", it has not returned.
dougf2, those bulbs you saw on eBAY are xenon filled regular bulbs. They are essentially halogen design bulbs that use xenon (or another noble gas). SOME like them over regular halogen bulbs but they are a far cry from actual HID lamps. If you see after market HID lamps advertised for an S80 anywhere please let me know. Also, if you ever see HID lamps in the near future with a price tag that doesn't include a comma you should stay away from them (either they're not HIDS or if they come in just under $1k they are HIDS without the self-leveling feature).
Thanks.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
Last July we ordered through the dealer and Volvo NA a 2001 S80 T6 in Ash Gold Pearl, Light Sand upholstery and these options: DSTC, Visco differential, HU0801 audio, leveling system, cold weather system, security system, wheel nut locks. We considered, but didn’t select, a sunroof (we hardly used the one we had in the ’87) and nav system (decided against because of cost and the rationale that over 95 percent of our driving is in areas where we already know our way around.
Predisposed to Volvo we still looked at several cars, especially the M-B E430 which we decided against because of perceived cost/value, the non-negotiable price at the dealer (owned by same guy who owns the Volvo dealership) and the fact that M-B OSD pricing is identical with US MSRP. Not so with Volvo.
After a lot of time on-line we visited three Seattle area dealers and settled on our local (Bellevue) dealer because we feel we’ve received good treatment from their service department for the last several years and because they were willing to make some concessions from OSD pricing: They knocked $ 500 off and threw in headlamp covers and rear mud flaps (both of which I asked for) as well as the one-touch remote configuration which I’d become aware of on this forum. I also had the salesman include in the order a statement that we would be eligible for any Volvo or VNA rebate up to actual delivery date.
Total agreed price not including tax or license: $ 40,865. As I posted here a couple of months back, VNA was providing an $ 800 rebate for those placing an OSD order NLT June 25th. Because I followed up on this aspect our order was amended to reflect the rebate. However (a big however), it took numerous phone calls and emails and five months before we received an $ 800 check from VNA. In fact, almost all my phone calls were not returned. Lasse Magnuson is the new OSD manager at VNA. I called him regular long distance because I couldn't get a live person on the 800 number. When I finally spoke with him he apologized and promised that the check would be processed. It still took several weeks after that telecon. A side point: We didn’t want to drive the car in Europe but did want to visit the factory and sign for the car there. When we placed the order I was adamant about not paying for insurance we wouldn’t use and after some conversations with VNA and emails back and forth to Sweden a VNA "customer service" rep rudely and arbitrarily changed the order to US dealer delivery. We still received OSD pricing. I don’t really want to believe it, but because of the incredible delay in processing our rebate I have some feeling that VNA personnel wanted to stiff me because I went around them to Volvo, Sweden. I really hope I’m wrong and that it was simply Volvo NA’s incompetence which caused the delay. I’m also disappointed that our dealer didn’t pursue this matter for us. Anyway, final net price paid was $ 40,065.
The car arrived at our dealer in early October but because of family circumstances my wife and I left town two days later and returned in late November. We’ve just turned 1,100 miles and while it’s early for valid generalizations or specific comments the car is just fine. The T6 is roomier and more luxurious than our old 760 turbo and although it’s heavier it seems a bit zippier. Perhaps it’s just a smoother zippiness, if that makes sense. I assume this is due to two additional cylinders and a good many more horses. I agree with comments made about poor audio ergonomics and poor rear visibility. The automatic dimming feature in the rear view mirror is nice, but it dims at times that I wouldn’t do it manually. I especially like the Homelink feature which enables garage door opening by pushing a button on the visor. The sound system is great whether the Beatles, Johnny Cash or Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No. 2. During these overcast winter days it’s difficult to distinguish between our Ash Gold Pearl and the Moondust Metallic S80s we sometimes see.
Haven’t noticed much in the way of torque but I haven’t really floored it. Mileage seems OK thus far. I’ve just started to experiment with the Geartronic system and rather like it. Waiting for ice and snow to see how Winter mode, DSTC, FWD and Geartronic facilitate that kind of driving.
The trunk has a bit less cubic space than the 760 but is nicely laid out except for the smaller opening. The lid does open to 90 degrees, which is nice, but I don’t think I can put some of the larger boxes and "stuff" that I used to be able to put in the 760. I definitely like the folding, split rear seats, however.
We purchased cocoa-fibre front and rear floor mats from Coco-Mats (http://www.cocomats.com/index.htm) . They’re very well made and come in a variety of colors and patterns, more than shown on the web site. I recommend them.
Hope this is of interest. Thanks to all y’all whose posts helped make our purchasing decisions a bit better informed.
Jack130: I would say you got an exceptional deal if your dealer took off $500 and threw in a few items. Who ate the insurance charge? Also, are you usually a tough customer to please?
I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm a "tough customer to please" but we buy a car so infrequently that I make a really big deal out of it, determine exactly what we want and then pay as little as we can. I'm definitely pleased with the car and OSD pricing but not Volvo NA.
thanks
door locks could be reprogrammed such that the
first hit on the remote opens all four, rather
than having to give the remote a second hit. i
can't find the reference. does anyone here
have the details on how this is accomplished?
thanks!
mike
i made an appt with my dealer for some other
items this morning and when i mentioned that
i wanted this change, the service rep seemed
unsure it could be done. he thought it was a
hardware change, and i suggested it was a software
change. i was hoping to get some more specific
details here in case i have problems getting
the change made.
I was told that "the steering column has a design defect and there is no fix yet.".
My car also was recalled about some clamp in the front drivetrain, and I had to bring it in because the steering was making a horrible noise (turns out it was some other losened clamp.
The "knocking" annoys the hell out of me. This is my family's 5th volvo and my LAST one forever. I feel the Volvo quality is gone. I am getting rid of it and buying an AUDI. Too bad, I loved Volvos...
Paul
Yes it is a software download to change the S80 so that one press of the unlock button on the key fob unlocks all four doors.
The Volvo technicians do not seem to very well informed about what software options exist for the S80.
Here is the magic number that will enable them to locate the one-step unlock software patch.
Part # 9499636 0 ONE STEP OPENING
My dealer charged by $20 for the software and 0.30 hours labor ($27.90) for the down load.
If anyone knows where there is a list of all possible software upgrades please let us know.
Good luck.
David
PS I have 25,000 miles on my one year old Nautic Blue T6 and have loved every mile. Great car.
for. i would also be interested in what other
options are available.
mike
Thanks!
EM (Central Electronic Module)
1. Seat temp: Celsius or Fahrenheit, from 32 degrees to 109.4 (I
2. Courtesy and “approach” lights and “safe home” (“follow-me-home”lights): 0, 30, 60, 90 seconds
3. Daytime Running Lights
a) Dipped lights on all positions except park (default),
I) Off, park, dipped on
I) dipped on all three positions.
Note: In Canada daytime running lights must be on.
DIM (Drivers Information Module)
1. CM or Miles
2. Conditions for the service reminder light (SOL)
Distance: 2500,5000,7500(default),10000 Service Time: 6,12 (default), 18, 24 Months
Engine Hours: 500, 750 (default), 1000 Hours.
3. Instrument Display: leading zeros, or set for hidden.
4. Temperature Unit: select Celsius or Fahrenheit
5. Trip Computer: Gallons, Liters, BB gallons
6. 12 or 24 Hour clock
EM (Upper Electronic Module)
1. Time for courtesy Lighting - Door Lock or engine switched off 0-255 seconds (15sec intervals) Time from door open to light off - 0-255 seconds.
2. Mirror dimming can be changed--requires software download.
Hope this helps.
Broeux
This and lots of other useful information can be found on my new Club S80 International site:
http://clubs.lycos.com/live/Directory/CommunityHome.asp?CG=68aali2dfna1380n004cf293tg
First of all, I think that the S80 is a pretty wide car and this may make dings inevitable when parking at tight spots and secondly, because of the shoulder shape of the S80, the doors are more vulnerable to dings than the older design. Just my 2 cents.
Other than that, I can't be happier with my S80 2.9 which has got just over 23000 miles on it.
Derek
Despite the sterling safety reputation of Volvos, I have discovered a disturbing fact...
I recently purchased a meter to check the electromagnetic field (EMF) levels in my house. I also used it to check my cars. A Plymouth Acclaim registers around 1 milligauss. My 2000 S80 registers 10-15 mG. Experts recommend avoiding exposure to more than 3 mG for extended periods of time. Unfortunately, I commute in the S80 for 3 hours a day.
I raised this concern with my dealer who reported it to his technical contacts at Volvo. Their reply was that my readings were correct and that this is the normal EMF level for the S80 and there was nothing that they can do.
Didn't the Swedes uncover the health links of exposure to EMF?
Doesn't Volvo contantly push their concern for people, the WHIPS system, the Inflatable Curtain, the Ozone eating radiator coating, etc. What about the EMF their exposing us to? The Swedish government seems to think there's a health risk here. Why is this ignored?
I haven't had the opportunity to check other cars in this category, but I am very concerned about this one. I sit in it for 3 hours a day!
I loved this car until I saw this. I chose it over others in its class primarily for the safety features (plus it looks great). Now I can't help but think that I'm sitting in a time bomb.
Any opinions? Comments?
Links to follow:
EMFacts Consultancy
Swedish MPR II guidelines
The Meter I Used:
AlphaLab's TriField Meter
Buy one from these guys, put it in your S80, set the scale to 0-100, you'll see it hover between 10 and 15 mG.
http://www.tassie.net.au/emfacts/fact-sheet3.html
showed a sample of mGs for various electrical appliances as follows:
Sample of Magnetic Fields for Common Appliances (in milligauss units)
--------------------------------------------------
Appliance Distance from appliance
10 cm / 30 cm / 50 cm
Hair Dryer 185 10 4.6
Dishwasher 24 4.8 1.8
Iron 20 3 nil
Vacuum Cleaner 45 9 2.6
Photocopier 27 6 2.1
Colour TV 20 6.2 2.2
Computer monitor 4.9 2.1 0.6
Microwave Oven 120 24 12
Bedside clock radio 140 4.6 1.4
Juicer 700 2.3 0.9
Electric range 11.5 2.2 0.7
Washing machine 12.3 8.2 5.4
Sewing machine 23 3.5 1.2
Juicing machine 220 12.8 6.6
This data seems to indicate that distance from the appliance is important.
Where within or outside the S80 did you take measurements. I would suspect taking measurements in the seating area would be the place, right?
Also, your reading of 10 and 15mG seems quite low compared to the appliance readings for a distance of 10cm and somewhat high for the 30cm distance.
Interesting....
1. Where is this air flow sensor located?
2. Was labor/parts covered under warranty?
3. You say your normal mpg is around 24+. Hmmmmm, I've a MY2000 S80 T-6 which is driven around town 50% and freeway 50% and get not much better than 18mpg. On a good long freeway drive I get at most 29mpg. So does my 18 mpg around town indicate I've got a problem? Your 24mpg sounds impressive from my perspective.
Regards... Barry Sharp
Here are some links to a lot of scientific data regarding electrical and electromagnetic fields:
http://www.mcw.edu/gcrc/cop/powerlines-cancer-FAQ/QandA.html#2
http://www.calpoly.edu/~dhafemei/background2.html
http://www.quackwatch.com/ghindex.html (scroll down and search for: EMF - then scroll down the page slightly to:
/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/emf.html, ( Sep 24 2000)
and under that click on: line 102
I am not overly concerned about the EMF levels in the S80.
Broeux
Club S80 International
http://clubs.lycos.com/live/Directory/CommunityHome.asp?CA=68aali2dfna1380n004cf293tg
1. Where is this air flow sensor located?
It's just outside the air cleaner housing.. to the left as you look from the front. It's in the "round" part exiting the air cleaner housing.. so I'm told as the mechanic pointed it out to me.
2. Was labor/parts covered under warranty?
Yes, all covered under warranty.
3. You say your normal mpg is around 24+. Hmmmmm, I've a MY2000 S80 T-6 which is driven around town 50% and freeway 50% and get not much better than 18mpg. On a good long freeway drive I get at most 29mpg. So does my 18 mpg around town indicate I've got a problem? Your 24mpg sounds impressive from my perspective.
I can't tell you if you have a problem. My Emission light came on, so I took it in. I was noticing worse gas mileage (Around 18) but did not think there was be a problem. The mechanic did say they have seen problems in this area. Sorry I can't help much here.
Scott
jsm7, RUN AWAY! I haven't check recently but I know I've seen S80 2.9 leases for $499 in the past and interest rates are lower now. Check the Sunday paper for the largest local city and you should be able to find much better rates than the quoted $725- $825.
Good luck.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
with 130K+ miles now... still runs great.
Bought the '99 S80 with all the hopes in the world
that it would be as reliable. To date, this is
what I have experienced:
-Various bulbs blow all of the time at
least every two months I am at the
dealership getting new ones.
-Bushing replaced (per notification).
-THE BIG ONE. I am high mileage driver
54K miles as of this date, recently
had to go in for valves knocking
severely. At first my service re
advised I put synthetic motor oil
in to see if it would stop knocking.
Didn't feel comfortable with that answer,
they did the 52K mile check-up and found
a gasket around the hydraulic liters
allowing air to get in with no oil
getting to the liters! They also
found a leak around the axle -ring
gasket. All was repaired for around
$2000.00, Volvo picked up all but $600.00
because I was so close to my warranty
just having expired.
I am now afraid to keep my S80. Once an engine
has been opened up all bets are off in my
opinion and the next big repair is on me due to
no warranty.
Has anyone else experienced any major problems?
I am trading for a nexus or ???? Any suggestions?
A Former Volvo Loyalist