Lexus IS 300

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  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    If I were you, I would go put my butt in the seat of a 330i for a test drive. If the IS is too hard to find the way you want it and with a NAV, I would go with the BMW. If they made a 330it, I just might have. Their leases are very tasty (or were a couple of months ago) and of competing vehicles (few), it's the one that feels closest to the IS (IMO).

    I have the NAV in mine, and frankly, it's a toy option. There may come a time in this car's tenure with me when it will be useful, but so far, the only use it's gotten has been a few playtime runs and one earnest inquiry on which it mis-directed and added about 35-40% to an otherwise short drive. An updated Thomas Bros. guide every year from Costco doesn't even begin to approach the tax on the two-grand cost of the option.

    I think when the things are completely voice-operated on the fly, they will be worth a couple hundred clams for the install, but for me, for now, No Great Shakes.
  • sailoverfuelsailoverfuel Member Posts: 82
    What hurts is that I know and accept that u r completely right. I put priority on something that may not have "real value" and is more of a toy...but I also admitt to being a kid at heart. i love gadgets...have e-mail on my mobile phone and use it all the time (not while drivin')

    I can use the excuse that I DO travel plenty ALL over NJ. I currently use MaoQuest and it works 90 percent of the time...unless u miss an exit and have to retrace back to were u made the error...with Nav you can use an alternate route.

    The one used by the TSX (Honda/Accura Family)is extremely accurate (a friend has it) and is voice activated although he preferrs to use manual.

    Will wait and see. Thanks for the advice.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Hey, no excuses needed. If you like gadgets, that's reason enough. If you use them, you're ahead of at least 50% of the people who buy them! ;)
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    wale bate - Glad to hear you say that. I've always thought the Nav was more of a gee whiz feature that would offer me little advantage over a Thomas Bro. at considerbly more expense but was wondering if I was just being a cheapskate as I usually am.

    Finally took my wife to look at the cars I'm considering (IS300, G35 and M45). She wouldn't even sit in the M45 -too ugly. Didn't particularly like the G35 ("Do they have a spoiler or body kit that makes it look a little better?"). Hands down winner - the IS300. She liked it a lot. Note - she didn't drive any of them and didn't care to. She was just keeping me from buying an eyesore, to which I have sometimes been known to find myself attracted (Alfa Romeo Milano and early Mazda 929 come to mind - and no, wiseasses, she happens to be a very attractive woman). She wasn't too thrilled with the SportCross, which, to be honest, I was a little ambivalent about myself.
    Sheeze, only 5 months and I've damn near finished my search for a car. Should only take a few more months from here. :)
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    I didn't want to say anything about the M before. I'm sure it's a winner on the inside and the road, but I can't get past the outside personally. My own take on any "M" is that it should come from Germany. ;)

    The G sedan doesn't sway me one way or the other, though I very much admire the coupe.

    Not thrilled with SportCross? No biggie, and she's certainly not alone. It really needs a very discerning and rigorously, perhaps classically, trained eye to fully appreciate the exquisite beauty of this 5-door concept, especially in this country! [-P

    I don't know if I missed it; did you try out a 3er?

    So, will you make it in MY '03?

    And yeah, the NAV on mine was what was out there with leather. I love the smell of leather in the morning...
  • sailoverfuelsailoverfuel Member Posts: 82
    yes thats really nice. It may be just me or something but did cars come with better leather or something? We had cars Bimmers and Volvos that the strong leather smell lasted years...and was a nice peculiar unique smell ea. different in its own way.

    I know that my Max (w/ leather) does not smell.

     It may be the obvious possibility of cheap leather...but I just dont feel that smell when I get into new Bimmers or MB's either...probably more but no big deal
  • superman5superman5 Member Posts: 154
    i have 2002 nav model and when i was shopping for nav, it was not that hard to find, only hard to find model was nav/5spd man.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,549
    I saw a Black IS300 today with that Blacked out mesh grille. It looked really sharp. Then the car passed me and I saw the 3' Aluminum Spoiler on the back andf said YUCK!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    My sales guy told me that Lexus does not make Sport Crosses with full leather and no NAV. Sedans, yes but not Sport Crosses.

    wale - Yeah, I considered the UDM but its ubiquity, high price and marginal reliability make it not the right vehicle for me. This is going to be my "appliance" car, so reliability plays a very strong role. I already have my fun car that needs attention on a regular basis. On top of that, the IS just feels like it puts you more in touch with what's going on. The 3er seemed slightly more isolated.

    Does anybody know the story on VSC (Vehicle Stability Control)? Edmunds lists it as an option. My salesman thought it was standard but we couldn't find it listed as either a standard feature or an option anywhere. The Lexus site makes no mention of it but its description of the standard feature called "Electronic Throttle Control with Intelligence" (or something like that) sounds like VSC might be incorporated into that. Any help?
  • hkyhky Member Posts: 71
    Sports cross has full leather - mine has. It is
    hard to find NAV on sportscross but I have seen one with it. VSC is an option, traction control is standard. The one you are talking about is ECT-i electronic control transmission with intelligence - a smooth transmission that will learn how you drive and adapt.
  • rsr742002rsr742002 Member Posts: 64
    VSC is available only on the E-Shift model. My 5-speed doesn't have it. Just look at technology we are getting: Drive-by-wire throttle, electronic brake distribution, traction control, LSD, ABS,
    and yes, the internal combustion engine.
  • s852s852 Member Posts: 1,051
    What year is the redesign going to be? 2005 or 2006?
    This 90's styling and Toyota interior is getting dated fast.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Supposedly 2005 is the redesign. According to AutoSpies, GS and IS may share parts; the IS330/430 rumor is very persistent.

    The other persistent rumor is the coupe. We shall see...
  • lenscaplenscap Member Posts: 854
    I talked with a corporate Lexus guy at the Lexus SUV driving event a few weeks ago. For what it's worth, he said the new GS will be out in March 2004 as a 2005 (most likely with AWD standard) and the new IS will be out September 2004 as a 2005.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Thanks lenscap!

    If the spy shots are accurate, the GS looks like a winner to me.
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    AWD standard? Yuck, I hope not.
  • superman5superman5 Member Posts: 154
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  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
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    I have bought several sets of tires from Americas Tires at the TireRack published price + shipping from the TireRack warehouse. I have Americas Tires install them and I purchase the road hazard insurance and free rebalancing from Americas Tires.

    I do this so I have somebody to talk to if I have a tire problem. Which has happened a couple of times over the years.

    You might want to look at the new GoodYear F1 GS-D3. GoodYear has a $60 rebate right now. I have the F1s and IMHO they are one of the best HiPerf street tire on the market right now.
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    Is there any scoop out there on what changes are coming on the 2004 models? I'm not talking about the major redesign being talked about that would probably show up no sooner than the 2005 model year. Just the minor year to year tweaks that typically happen in mid or end of life cycle.
    Lexus doesn't appear to build them with the set of options I want so I'm going to have to special order one and that will put me into 2004 model year production at this point.
  • cardiackid1924cardiackid1924 Member Posts: 11
    Hey,

    In other forums, I keep hearing references to how dealers are, or might soon be, willing to deal or discount the 300's. Do any of you know if this is true? If so, is there a particular reason? Thanks.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,549
    Well, the IS is somethat of a slow selling model in the lexus lineup. THere have been lots of factory backed lease & finance deals (along w/ incentives I'm not aware of). Also, there is a rumored change for the 2004 or 2005 model which will be different from the current IS.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    The competition in this price range is pretty fierce. Many, many people see the G35 as a lot more car for the same money forcing Lexus to undercut G35 prices substantially. My dealer is selling ISs at $1500 under invoice right now.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    Take a look at the service environment also. I have found the Lexus service experience to be pretty exceptional. Not that everything has always been perfect but they have always tried hard to make it that way.
  • mermaid2mermaid2 Member Posts: 3
    Hey Lexus Dealers are totally screwing me over witha bad paint job ( becasue I am female and young) I have taken it back at least 4 times and they now want me to pay $200 for a deoxification on a 2 year old garage keep car !! Is any one else having a similar problem ???

    contact me : mermaid @fdn.com
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    Have you called Lexus Customer Satisfaction and open a case with them? I had a case that was resolved to my satisfaction. I was persistent, polite, reasonable, and firm on what I wanted. If the first person you talk to tells you no, then move up to the next level. Don't be afraid to tell them what you like about your car at the same time.
    Every time I have called Lexus Customer Sat I have talked to a woman so you should be treated fairly :-)

    It may help to sit down and document how you have maintained your car's finish. How often you wash the car, how you wash it, how often you wax the car, and where you park the car. Use this when you talk to them to out line what you have done to maintain the car and how the condition of the paint is not normal.

    The only issue I have seen reported about I300 paint it is easily chipped by flying rocks/gravel. From personal experience, a clear bra really helps to minimize the problem.
  • mermaid2mermaid2 Member Posts: 3
    Well I have tried numerous times even have dealt with service department manager. He even had the nerve to tell me that I had never waxed my car that is why it looks that way , even though I gave them receipts and have even paid for the Lexus Dealer to detail the car. The car has almost a white haze over the black paint. I work from my house and my car is always garage kept. I have already had others email me with the same problems. I guess my next step is forming a class action against the dealer and parties involved.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    It seems that the dealer has acknowledged that your paint isn't right. The problem is they appear to be saying it was a lack of proper care on your part that caused the problem. You might try going to a reputable body shop and have them look at your paint and ask for their opinion on what caused the problem. Get an estimate on what it would cost to fix or repaint the car and forward this to information to Lexus. If the body shop doesn't support your position, that the paint problem wasn't your fault, then your case is pretty weak?

    There is a person assigned to your area by Lexus that is responsible for customer service problems. I assume you had that person look at your car? I assume the dealer had a body shop examine your paint; the service manager isn't an expert on paint problems. You need to have an expert evaluate the paint on your car.
  • mermaid2mermaid2 Member Posts: 3
    Good Idea !! Its really a shame that I am having to go to these lengths . However I am not going to quit until it is fixed !!! I also have a dealer print out ( you know the ones you get from the dealer when you take your car in ). The paper admits to the car being delivered to me with over spray and how "customer" (me) complained that the car was returned with multiple scratches/ swirl marks. I have been working on a large assortment of documents so Lexus can have one final shot however . I have not had any luck so far so I already contacted a lawyer in case. DO you happen to know what the name/ title of the person who deals with regional customer service issues ???
  • habitat1habitat1 Member Posts: 4,282
    You have paperwork indicating the car was originally delivered to you with evidence of "overspray"? I'm not an expert, but that sure sounds to me like the car was damaged after leaving the factory and was partially or fully repainted before being sold to you. I have never heard of overspray coming from a factory. As a matter of fact, a friend of mine recently traded a black Mercedes that had very minor bumper / fender paint work. The dealer immediately noticed the overspray under the wheel well and discounted the car an additional $2,000. Not because it wasn't an excellent and still matching paint job. But because it wasn't a "factory" paint job and this would need to be disclosed to the next buyer.

    Run, do not walk, to a lawyer on this one. And do not give up. You didn't buy a Kia, after all. If my suspiscions are true, you were sold a damaged car and in many states, you have legal recourse.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    I don't know the title of the person. I would expect that Lexus Customer Care would be able to arrange a meeting.

    The Lexus Customer Assistance Center
    Monday - Friday, 6:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. PT

    Phone: 1-800-255-3987 prompt #4

    I would agree with the post from Habitat, about the only way a new car gets over spray on it is to be inside a repair shop. I guess it is possible that somebody could have been painting something near where it was parked at some point.
  • fzara2003fzara2003 Member Posts: 12
    Does anyone know what the minor changes are for the 04' Lexus IS300?

    I'm thinking of buying an 04', but the dealer is trying to get me to buy his 03' model IS300.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    I haven't seen or heard anything official yet. There was some talk about one exterior color change.

    In general it is hard to get objective and accurate information about cars from salesreps. They want to sell you something today because they are afraid you might not come back. So you might try calling Lexus and seeing if they can help you. Let us know if you find out anything interesting?

    My gut feeling is there won't be anything significant and the 03 will be cheaper?
  • fzara2003fzara2003 Member Posts: 12
    Would it be worth it to buy a 03' IS300? I was thinking about it, but I want to see what they change for the 04' IS300. If theres a new color that comes out, and a couple small improvements, i'll consider it. Otherwise, i'll take the 2003 IS00.
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    You will probably save some money on a 2003 relative to a 2004. The dealer I'm working with is selling at $1500 under invoice right now. Unfortunately, Lexus is not producing the cars with the exact set of options I want, so I am eagerly awaiting news on the 2004 so I can special order one exactly the way I want it. I'm kind of hoping they repackage the options so I might not even have to special order. As soon as I get any info, I'll report it here.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,549
    I've definitely been seeing more and more IS300's in the last month or 2. Must be due to the good lease rates, good deals, and incentives out there Most of the ones I see are Black and a few Blue. The IS300 grows on me more and more every time I see it. I love the black/black!

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • itsmeehkyleitsmeehkyle Member Posts: 21
    i know wat you mean nycarguy man that black and black sure looks hella nice but unfortunately i can't find a preown one that is like that so i settled for the crystal white and tan man did i have to go through alot to get it so cant say that i am not happy. friends and family has only one word comment "WOW"
  • sailupsailup Member Posts: 1
    Fredmcmurry, where are you getting $1500 below invoice quote for your IS300? Im buying mine about $450 above invoice and I thought that was good. What should I be getting this car for if the new 2004 model is coming out in a month? It has the basics with spoiler/limited slip diff./power escaine package. $28,500/2.34%apr
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    At Lexus of Mission Viejo out here in Southern California, but a couple of other places have said they would do that also. There may be significant regional differences. The competition is pretty high out here. There are two dealers within 15 minutes of my house and a few more within a half hour.
    What I'm looking for is an e-shift with power and leather, Graphite wheels, and LSD. Invoice would be $29,559 so it should be right around $28K. Unfortunately, Lexus doesn't produce that combination of options, according to two dealers. According to them, the graphite wheels are only on MT models and VSC is only on cars with Nav.
  • fredmcmurrayfredmcmurray Member Posts: 215
    BTW, according to Edmunds', the invoice on your car is a little over $29K, so it sounds like you are about $500 under invoice.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    Unofficial info about 04 IS300:
    "3 new colors - Bluestone Metallic replacing Solar Yellow
    Indigo Ink replacing Intensa Blue Pearl
    Savannah replacing Cibola Gold
    Driver's memory seat
    Smoked gray headlamps
    Auto lock doors when the car is in gear
    Optional 11 spoke wheels
    Dash tray when no Navigation
    Oil change reminder light"

    Of the above the, the driver's memory seat would be of the most interest to me.
  • midnightblackmidnightblack Member Posts: 11
    Are these two new blues used in any other Lexus models (past or present)?
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    There is an Indigo Ink Pearl color for the SC that is supposed to be similar?
  • mishima8105mishima8105 Member Posts: 43
    I'm looking to dump my jetta glx for something like the IS300. I like the IS300, but I'm surprised that my glx has more standard features than the IS, like power memory seats, auto-locking system, and trip/mpg computer. Cars look about the same length. IS looks more sportier tho'. And, of course, there's no question about Lexus reliability.

    I'm not too far from you Fred. Got a call last December from that Mission-Viejo dealership you mentioned. I'm closer to Carlsbad, but I don't think they have a lot of new IS300s to choose from. What do you think of the Mission-Viejo dealership? Good, straight-up deals/service?

    I've read that there will be a re-design for the '05. It needs more hp, too. So my interest in the IS has waned somewhat. Plus, there's a new '04 Acura TL that needs to be checked out first.
  • mishima8105mishima8105 Member Posts: 43
    Black is one of the coolest car colors. Makes a hot car like the IS300 even hotter and classier. But black cars need FREQUENT washing and waxing, get super hot (to the touch) and, as a result, fade easily. Nicks and scratches and dings seem to stand out more on black cars I've noticed.

    I'll never forget the day I drove my first new car home. I wanted to surprise my mom. For about a year I had been occasionally teasing my mom to look out the window at my new car, and all she would see was my 20 year old, beat-up, rust-bucket of a Toyota pick-up in the driveway. Finally, the big day arrived, and my mom looked out the window and said, "Black? You got a black car? Don't you know that black cars get dirty fast?" What made it worse was that at the school I used to teach clouds of dirt would kick up from the playground onto the cars in the faculty parking lot. At the end of each day, I'd slide in behind the steering wheel and look over the dashboard to see a film of brown dirt covering the hood of my previously-washed black car. Eventually I invested in a custom car cover which helped somewhat but presented its own unique problems.

    After my beige truck started rusting out, I didn't wash it but once or twice a year. I made up for all that lack of washing and waxing when I got my new black car.

    That's probably why there's a water shortage out here in the West. Peeps like me with black cars be washing them all the time. Silver with black interior leather would have been the better choice. Man! I F@#$%! up. Something for you to think about when you decide on car color.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    Some of the Standard Features I really like on the IS are the in-line 6, RWD, and the limited slip diff. You have to buy an M3 to get an LSD on a 3 series. The creature feature that I miss sometimes is probably the memory seat; which appears to be available in 04. I personally hate self locking doors; but I also don't have any kids.

    On a daily basis I find the HP on the IS to perfectly adequate. I refused to engage in speed contests on public streets so my EGO is pretty much disconnected from the gas pedal. I have no problems merging into traffic, passing car, or getting quickly from Point A to Point B.

    I got the wife a new accord this year. Jumping back and forth between the accord and the IS is pretty interesting. You really appreciate how much more hooked up the IS feels and how much better RWD feels over FWD. Acura/Honda make good cars but I personally want RWD and an LSD in a sports sedan.
  • itsmeehkyleitsmeehkyle Member Posts: 21
    U betcha mishima those black cars are sweeet man ... but kinda hard to keep up with glossy wise feels like your spending eternity just trying to keep it shining and dust free... but it does make you look and feel great when people eyes check ya out hhahahah sweeeet man
  • ece3446ece3446 Member Posts: 32
    Hi all,
    I am in the market for a used car and hapen to come upon a 2001 IS300 with about 52,000 miles for $17,600. WOuld this be a good deal?

    And more importantly what should I be looking out for when I go for a test drive tomorrow??

    Thanks all.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    I would consider taking the car to a good mechanic and have it checked over if you aren't mechanically inclined.

    I would make sure everything works. I would be interested in the brakes, shocks, when the fluids were changed, any accident damage repairs, tire condition. Check to see when the next service is due and how much it will cost. I think there is a major service at 60K?

    Drive the car at a variety of speeds and check for vibrations and noises. I would check to see if any parts have been replaced recently in the engine compartment or suspension. I would be looking to see if somebody had recently removed a coilover shocks, turbo kit, or some other performance modifications.

    The cars are reliable and well made. If the price was right I would have no problem buying a used one. Check the online used car pricing guides and see what people are asking for the cars in the some of the local newspaper. The price seems good if the car was taken care of.
  • ron_mron_m Member Posts: 186
    Just today I noticed that the shift lever in my 2002 IS300(automatic tranny) has a very slight amount of curvature to it. It's formed/curved slightly towards the driver's side of the vehicle.
    Are they all like this--or did I inadvertently bend the gear shift lever with my own brute strength? :-) I'd just like to know this out of curiosity. Can someone check their gear shift lever's shape for me--please? Sanity check!

    Thanks in advance!

    Ron M.
  • jmessjmess Member Posts: 677
    My 02 lever seems to have a slight curve to it also. I never noticed it until now.
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