Older Acura TLs

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  • richardgoldrichardgold Member Posts: 26
    THIS IS MY LAST POST ON TIRES UNTIL I BUY A SET FOR THE ACURA. AS I SAID IN A PRIOR POST, I DID PURCHASE THE FALKEN'S FOR A HONDA ACCORD. I DID A SEARCH ON TIRE RACK FOR THE ACURA,THE FALKEN'S ARE NOT A PURCHASE OPTION HERE. NO MATTER HOW I ENTERED THE DATA, TWO TIRES SEEM TO COME UP FOR THE ACURA: BRIDGESTONE TURANZA LS-Z AND CONTINENTAL CONTI EXTREME CONTACT. IN A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON, THE "CEC" APPEARS TO BE THE BEST VALUE. IN ALL CATEGORIES, THE LS-Z, DOES NOT SCORE HIGH ENOUGH TO WARRANT $95 MORE PER TIRE. THE EL42 IS A REAL LOSER IN THE COMPARISONS. HOW ACURA DID THIS IS BEYOND ME SINCE THEY COST $54 MORE PER TIRE THAN THE CEC. I DID CALL MY DEALER TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS JUST TO SEE WHAT THEY WOULD SAY. THE SERVICE MANAGER WILL LOOK INTO IT AND GET BACK TO ME. SHE DID SAY IF ACURA TREATS THIS AS A RECALL, THEY WILL REIMBURSE ME FOR THE TIRES I PURCHASE AS LONG AS I HAVE THE OLD TIRES.
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Are the available colors the same for Canadian TLs? I thought I reaad somewhere that they could get the white with the black interior, while this is not available in the US.

    Is there a separate TL web site for Canada?
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Automophile ... no, we talk about TLs in Canada here as well. Someone here can probably answer your question.

    Richardgold ... you might want to unlock your CAPS key. It looks like you are yelling at us, and it's hard to read what you have to say.

    :)
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    2002 Accord V6 with 27,000 KM. No problem with tranny so far, knock on wood. And yes, it is a great car. Plain-looking, but every family should have one!
  • kahunahkahunah Member Posts: 448
    The White Diamond Pearl / Ebony combo is available on the Dynamic package in Canada.

    Dynamic Package:
    6-speed manual transmission with LSD
    Brembo® 4-piston front brake calipers
    High Performance Summer Tires
    Larger Stabilizer Bars

    For more info: http://www.acura.ca/AcuraEng/Models/TL/Overview.htm
  • shenkarshenkar Member Posts: 159
    richardgold, PLEASE DON'T SHOUT!!. IT'S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND YOU WHEN YOU SHOUT LIKE THIS!!

    We hear you just fine (best in fact) when you speak like this. Thanks much.
  • kahunahkahunah Member Posts: 448
    There is one reoccuring vibrating sound that is difficult to determine exactly where it's coming from (eg. dash, steering wheel area, etc.). This sound is actually coming from over head between the windsheild and the sunroof area. The sound itself is more of a fluttering noise that occurs when driving over uneven or ripply road surfaces.

    I recently discovered that the cause of this sound is the built-in wind deflector (it automatically pops up when the sun roof is opened). When the sunroof is closed and the wind deflector is automatically pushed back in place, there is enough play there that it will vibrate under certain driving conditions (even though it has a rubber seal underneath it and it's spring loaded). You'll notice that when the inner roof liner is closed the vibrating sound is deadened. Also, the sound will not occur at all if the sunroof open or even slightly open but this is difficult to tell because of outside noise.

    Try this test (but not while driving): While sitting in the front seat with the sunroof closed and the inner roof liner opened, take your index or middle finger and place it up inside the sunroof opening in between the sunroof (up front and towards the middle) and the topside of the roof itself. Then feel for the rubber seal that is part of the wind deflector piece. While pressing against the deflector, flick your finger upwards to move the deflector vertically. It may take 2 or 3 attempts but this action will duplicate the vibrating sound exactly.

    This appears to be an easy fix and I'm going to discuss the best method with my service manager. I'll follow up later.
  • richardgoldrichardgold Member Posts: 26
    TO ALL OF YOU WHO THINK upper case is "shouting," sorry. Just felt like upper case. No shouting intended.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    Thanks for the info. I wonder why we in the US are deprived of this color combo?

    I ALMOST didn't buy the TL cuz' I couldn't get the white/black combo. The gray is VERY nice, but black is more cozy and luxurious. They BETTER have it for next time, tho!
  • vinceb81vinceb81 Member Posts: 39
    Thanks for the info. Will try your test and report back. Sun roof and inside liner were closed, driving 25-35 mph on smooth roads. Very loud, distinct noise appeared to be coming from left side of steering wheel.
  • briannicksbriannicks Member Posts: 4
    Hi all, I'm looking to possibly get an '04 TL in a couple months time. I've owned 2 Lexus's in a row (99 GS400 and 95LS400), and both cars did not meet up to my expectations. Basically i would love to hear some feedback of current TL owners. How is the overall driving experience ? are they very reliable ? how does the performance compare to other makes ? also, if anyone has driven a Lexus before and now drives an Acura, i would love some feedback from you too. The one thing i liked about Lexus was the comfortable seats and ride. How would the TL compare in that regard ? Thanks
  • raherraher Member Posts: 99
    I guess I will have a go at this.
    First of all I have never driven a Lexus so I can't compare. I can describe how the TL drives for me however.
    This is the third Acura I have owned in succession ( 91 Legend, 00TL, 04TL ). This is by far the best Acura I have ever owned and I liked the other two cars. It is more sport than luxury but it is still a very comfortable car. Lots of room in the back for passengers and a very nice fit and finish. The TL doesn't have the "cushy" feel of cars that are more luxury than sport. The TL drives like a drivers car to me but my wife drives it most of the time and loves it because it is such a comfortable car. I believe Acura has created their own niche with the
    04 TL. It won't handle as well as a 3 series BMW but it is nicer inside with waaay more amenities. It is fast. I have the 5 speed automatic ( remember my wife drives it most of the time ) but I drive in the sequential shift mode. Automatics just don't provide motor braking like a manual when you downshift but there is enough compression in the lower gears to slow you down from speed.
    There are those who will complain about the handling characteristics of FWD ( torque steer ) but I don't notice any torque steer at all in the automatic when you apply power in corners or in a straight line. The car always feels secure to me. I put Bridgestone LSZ's on my car right away and there is a marked improvement in handling and comfort / quiet.
    I used to own a CRX SI and it had torque steer galore but it was still the most fun car I have ever owned.
    The TL is quiet ( the OEM tires need relief instantly however if you are a more aggressive driver, which I am. )
    I got the navigation system, I had one in the 2000TL also. Great system. The voice activated commands can best be described as an adventure but it is a moot point because even operating things manually is a breeze. A wonderful sound system if you like music of any kind.
    Bottom line is I really look forward to time in the car no matter if it is high speed cruising on the wonderful US autobahn's or cutting through the country roads. It is the best of both worlds for me.
    I expect the car to be very reliable as I drove my Legend 145,000 miles and the 04 TL 50,000 with no mechanicals whatever.
    Your previous rides have been very nice. I have always wondered about the GS400 which Car and Driver described as having " neck snapping acceleration".
    I do not believe you will be disappointed with the car but make sure you get enough demo time by yourself prior to purchasing. After all, only you are the true judge of the comparisons to your other cars.
    Best of luck in your search for that perfect hybrid between comfort and handling. There are a lot of choices out there and a lot of really fine cars.
  • briannicksbriannicks Member Posts: 4
    wow, what a great review ! Thanks for all your input, it really cleared up a lot of questions i had! I'm going to most likely test drive it sometime this week. I'll post my impressions of what I think afterwards. Thanks again =)
  • automophileautomophile Member Posts: 780
    I have had both.

    The Lexus is a little more luxurious.
    The TL handles MUCH better.
    The TL has more room than an ES or GS.
    The TL is fast fast fast, but cannot have the torque of a V-8.
    The Lexus dealers will give you better service, but the TL is at least as reliable.

    They are really quite different. If the Lexus cars were better looking, I would have bought another one. I am glad I didn't - the TL has made driving FUN again! I look for excuses to get out to drive the car!
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    I have a 03 ES now and am looking to get a 04 TL (ES to be full time for my wife). I looked at the TL at dealers and it seems to be a bit less roomy than ES actually, but not by much. That's just fine as TL would be more of my personal car while ES more of our family sedan.

    Our ES has been great w/o any problem (not even any rattle or small misfit). I like the new TL's excitment but am wary of all the problems reported on the Problem and Solution thread just a few months since TL was out. I am wondering is it the first year model thing or what. Acura is supposed to be very reliable too. Maybe 2005 would be better? We bought the ES a year later too.
  • kahunahkahunah Member Posts: 448
    "I looked at the TL at dealers and it seems to be a bit less roomy than ES actually, but not by much."

    Actually, the TL has more interior room than the ES but not by much.

    Interior Volume:
    TL - 97.90 cu.ft.
    ES300 - 96.40 cu.ft.

    Interior Dimensions:
    ES 330 Sedan // TL Sedan w/5-spd AT

    Standard Seating 5 // 5
    Front Headroom (in.) 37.60 // 38.70
    Rear Headroom (in.) 36.90 // 37.20
    Front Legroom (in.) 42.20 // 42.80
    Rear Legroom (in.) 35.60 // 34.90
    Front Shoulder Room (in.) 56.80 // 58.30
    Rear Shoulder Room (in.) 55.80 // 55.70
    Front Hip Room (in.) 55.50 // 55.60
    Rear Hip Room (in.) 55.50 // 53.80
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    That's where unfortunately the TL comes up short against the ES.
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    "Our ES has been great w/o any problem (not even any rattle or small misfit). I like the new TL's excitment but am wary of all the problems reported on the Problem and Solution thread just a few months since TL was out. I am wondering is it the first year model thing or what."

    There are several very minor problems that you can expect in a first-year. I bought a 2000 TL in its first year and it exhibited similar assortment of minor problems that got fixed next year.

    The most notable problems are:

    (1) Sub-par OEM tires. They are quiet and handle well in dry, but they have poor performance in snow and wet. They flatspot terribly and they produce vibrations in a small number of cases. There is a lot of talk of Acura replacing these tires with another brand/model shortly.

    (2) Seats memory getting lost from time to time. Seems like this is a pretty wide-spread problem. I would classify it as a minor annoyance though, and you can expect Acura to be addressing this issue for all cars shortly.

    (3) Vibrations at 50-55mph reported by a small percentage of drivers. Cause is still unknown, but many things point to the OEM tires.

    (4) Some squeaks and rattles, notably from moon-roof and glove-box. These are to be expected in the first year model. Dealer can fix them for you, and you can fix some of them yourself. I can tell you that compared to the 2000 TL, the 2004 is rock-solid!

    I think that's all. Knowing about these issues in advance would have never deterred me from buying this AMAZING car!
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    It must be the larger rear room for shoulder/hip/leg on ES that gives me this impression. It's good to know that a performance car like TL has such ample room, much better than BMW3, A4 and the likes. Well for tunck you just have to think that if it's as large as ES it won't look that sporty anymore -- can't have everything.

    Mmm I wonder when they will have 05 TL out addressing these minor things. One other thing I noiced about TL is that the base is pretty low, that the distance between bumper and gournd is not much. It seems to be scuff-prompt when parking the TL. Is that right or you'al just be very careful? I even got some on my ES and it's higher than TL. For ES it's on the bottom of bumper so no big deal. For TL it seems that you can head-on hit the curb! Any thing in the protection package for that?

    BTW, anyone can point me to some TL photos that show the dash/control interface w/o the navigation? All the ones I see have it and I saw someone mentioned that the one w/o does not look very nice.
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    The minimum ground clearance of the TL is 5.8", IIRC, which is actually more than many other cars such as the A4, Passat, etc. Also, the new TL should have less front and rear overhang than the previous TL, should approach and departure angles should also be higher.
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    On a dealer's I noticed 04 TL all have this black plastic plate/bar under the from bumper. Is that for protection against curb?

    5.8"? That's less than most curbs. I bet it's more than that from the bumper base but can be from that black thing to ground.
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    "One other thing I noiced about TL is that the base is pretty low, that the distance between bumper and gournd is not much. It seems to be scuff-prompt when parking the TL."

    bodble2's data seems to suggest it's not an issue, but my experience suggests otherwise. I seem to be hitting curbs more often with the 04 than I did with 03 TL-S
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    You may be right. 5.8" is the minimum ground clearance, so there is likely greater clearance where the bumpers are.

    Is the black plastic plate not just a decorative shroud to cover the opening between the bottom of the bumper to the base of the radiator. On my CL-S, it doesn't seem to serve any real purpose other than help trap leaves and debris!
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    seems to me could fall off if you happen to let it bump into a curb or even a rock. I can shake it with my hands! Seem fragile to me......
  • bodble2bodble2 Member Posts: 4,514
    but it doesn't even seem to fit that well. Over time it seems to get warped and you can see gaps here and there if you peek through the lower grill opening. Like I said, it just seem to get in the way if you try to clear leaves stuck against the radiator.
  • 03oddity03oddity Member Posts: 60
    OK, I have read zillions of TL posts and salivated over the Acura website. Seen a few zipping around L.A. Just counting down to July when the lease on my 01 Saab 9-5 V6 ends. But--the Saab happily burns regular gas.

    Anybody tried mid-grade or regular in the TL? Especially in California? Seems like modern engine management computers should be able to compensate.
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    "Anybody tried mid-grade or regular in the TL? Especially in California? Seems like modern engine management computers should be able to compensate"

    WHY would you want to do something like that??? An average driver will save $120 a year by using regular instead of premium. Is it really worth it? If you can't afford extra $10 a month in gas expenses, you probably can't even afford a Civic.
  • igibanigiban Member Posts: 530
    Does it require 91 octane? Money aside (not much anyway), a V6 should be able to take 87/89 w/o getting knocks/engine damages, depsite a lower mpg and/or lower power. Isn't that right?
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    TL requires premium gas. I don't remember if it's 91 or 93; in this area there's only 93 octane premium.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    I think almost all modern engines can retard timing to compensate for lower octane but mileage will suffer and so will power. I saw one calculation that showed the drop in MPG offset the savings in fuel costs and it actually ended up being cheaper to run premium than regular.

    Use whatever the OM recommends. Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.
  • exb0exb0 Member Posts: 539
    The manual says 91 or higher.
  • billherrmannbillherrmann Member Posts: 108
    Within the next week I will be taking delivery of 04 TL [grey/ebony]. I am more than a little bit concerned about posts on this board that indicate that the standard factory tires are lousy & should be immediatly replaced!! Raher in his fine post [#5009] reports putting on Bridgestone LSZs on his new TL. My car will have auto trans. Is that a factor? I will appreciate any & all comments that will enlighten me on this subject.
  • gbriankgbriank Member Posts: 220
    Performance suffers with a lesser grade of gas on this car. As with our Saabs, using a lower grade causes the Trionic engine management to reduce power. I have the High Output engine and by using Regular it suffers a 15% decrease in power. I don't know about you, but a few extra cents is worth it. Not to mention, doesn't the fuel economy drop by using a lesser grade? Not sure.... Here in Plano (Texas), Sam's Club gets gas from the same distributor as Shell but charges 10 cents per gallon less ($1.49 Premium).
  • gbriankgbriank Member Posts: 220
    Not sure if it was on this board or another, but the LS-Zs suffer the same flatspotting as the EL-42s. Some of the replacements I have heard about are: Falken ZIEX 512s (High Performance All Season), Michelin Pilot Sport (Ultra High Performance Summer), Michelin Pilot Sport A/S (Ultra High Performance All Season) and the Pirelli Pzero Nero A/S (Ultra High Performance All Season).

    It seems that the tires with full nylon on the tread are having flatspotting issues. Not sure why... I have always had good luck with Michelins, BUT they are pricey and do have a slight drone at low speed (goes away with age).

    I went back to the dealer again today to testdrive another TL. I did not feel the flatspotting, but it did hydroplane a little. I've decided to keep the stock tires, but I will replace them before next winter. I figured the dealer can swap the tires for around $300-400 for the Pilot A/S depending on their profit margin.
  • akirbyakirby Member Posts: 8,062
    Is the best All season high performance tire available IMO. I've had them for a couple of years now on a Lincoln LS and they're very quiet, very smooth, stay balanced and stop on a dime on the wettest pavement. Dry grip is at least 8/10 of the summer version - maybe 9/10. Treadwear rating is 400. They're expensive but they're worth it.
  • richardgoldrichardgold Member Posts: 26
    I decided to change the tires if for no other reason than the extremely poor rating of the EL42s compared to almost any other tire brand. The rating difference were not even close! I must have spent five hours doing internet searches and reading reviews on tires - it became an obsession. I considered the Falken and the Continental Conti Extreme Contact. The others are just too much money. I asked the service manager at the dealer about the tires. She called her supplier who said go with the Continental or the Pirelli - favoring the Continental. (Does not carry Falken.) When I asked about the Falken the dealer's tire supplier did not feel it was a good fit for the TL and questioned Falken's tread life in real world driving. I am no expert but feel, at least for me, the Continental is the best for the TL at the price point. I did put Falken's on a Honda Accord EX V6 used by my wife. She said the car rides great - smooth ride and quite. In reality, I doubt there is much difference between the two tires. (I tend to do all maintenance at the dealer and will buy the tires from them.)Dealer told me their cost on the Continentals is $120 per and will add $20 for profit and installation. Seems fair enough to me. I would try and cut a tire deal with your dealer. It seems because of new Federal tire regulations, dealers/retailers will not take tires in trade. In any event, my dealer said if there is ever a tire recall she will reimburse me if I return the original tires.
  • 03oddity03oddity Member Posts: 60
    Dulnev, I appreciate the opinion but not the tone. Turns out I could easily afford a Mercedes E class, much less a Civic (not that I would buy either one). The reason I could afford one is that I am careful with my money. Thus my question.

    So, yes, I'll use premium gas when I get the new TL since that's what the factory recommends. But I could have found other uses for that $120 a year. Thanks for the other thoughtful posts.

    ;-)
  • crvolscrvols Member Posts: 23
    I have had my new TL for about ten days and I love it. However this morning when I went to get my Dunkin Donuts coffee and put it in my cupholder I found I could not get it out! The fingers on the cupholder had such a tight grip on the styrafoam, that it would not release. I actually had to pull into a parking lot and work it out of the cupholder. I know this seems like a small thing, but now I will have to use a SS mug or carry the coffee in one hand and drive with the other. I think the cupholder would be good for plastic bottles, etc. but not for the styrafoam cups.
  • msf2msf2 Member Posts: 88
    Any TL owners like to chime in on the experience you're having with Navi voice commands? Been starting to hear of some problems. How long does it take to get familiar with? Thanks!
  • dulnevdulnev Member Posts: 652
    Even with my accent, the TL recognizes my commands 95% of the time. I've learned right away that you have to speak commands pretty loudly, louder than the normal conversational level. The only times that TL has problem understanding me is when I have the heater going full blast at high fan speed, but that's to be expected.

    The manual suggests having the fan at speed 2. I find that, if I speak up, it's fine with fan at 5-6 even.
  • 1hopeck1hopeck Member Posts: 41
    After reading an article from a chemical engineer from Honda R/D Raymond, Ohio.....he was quoted as saying that premium gas is NOT required for any Honda made engines. If he had the car (TL) loaded with reg. gas in the car he could not tell a difference between the two (Premium) gases. One might as well though the money out the window when buying premium Gas. IMO...

    So by one using reg. gas in the new TL, one will not do any damage to the engine. And for one to point out one will lack mileage and?or performance....the difference would be like peeing in the ocean.
  • kennyg5kennyg5 Member Posts: 360
    Would you please provide a link to the article if you read it on the internet? If what the Honda engineer said is indeed correct, why would Honda recommend that the TL gets premium gas and the Accord gets regular? To further improve the sale of TL (if possible), one would think that Honda recommends regular gas for the TL (for those of us who are budget minded) :)
  • davidnj1davidnj1 Member Posts: 13
    This thing has 11:1 compression. Yes, it may run on regular. There a knock sensors which will adjust the mixture and ignition timing so that car doesn't self destruct.

    But, you could be down 50hp or more. Some very high strung cars, my S2000 for instance and I believe M3s, actually can tell the difference between Sunoco 103, err... Ultra 94, and normal premium.
  • davidnj1davidnj1 Member Posts: 13
    Rahrer,

    How many miles did you put on the EL42s before you switched? Did you have the vibration, flat spot, or pulling problems with the EL42s? Do you have a flat spot problem with the LS-Zs?

    Considering between LS-Z, Falken Z512s (top rated by Consumer Reports, LS second), or Falken A115s (supposedly very quiet).

    Thanks,

    David
  • klunkmanklunkman Member Posts: 80
    crvols - Guess you'll just have to get your mud in a 16oz cup! :)

    Actually, I think the design of the cupholders is pure genius. Having the 6-spd, I can put my 16oz stainless steel Starbucks travel cup in there and it sits down low and doesn't interfere with my arm travel.

    On the subject of flatspotting Turanzas, I've experienced the vibration somewhat, but it usually disappears within a mile or so of travel. I've had this happen with other tires too, so I don't know what the big deal is.
  • crvolscrvols Member Posts: 23
    I have been reading on the Acura forum that Sony/Ericsson has made available a limited number of T608 phones that are usable on the Sprint network. Evidenlty they have on so many to sell and then they are gone. I called and was able to order on at Sprint today. Anybody else using this phone on the Sprint network with their new TL? Looking for information as to how it works, and set-up.
  • 1hopeck1hopeck Member Posts: 41
    I searched the website where the local newspaper published the article and for past articles one needs to pay for the access to archived files.

    If you wish to locate the article use the following website www.dispatch.com and search for "Honda and Premium" and you will find an article about the need for premium gas.

    Good luck.
  • raherraher Member Posts: 99
    I put 400 miles on the EL 42's before I switched to the LSZ's. I am not sure what distinction is being made between flat spotting and vibration, I am assuming it is the same thing. The EL42's vibrated for the first couple of miles ( I assume that is what is being referred to as flat spotting ) and then the vibration stopped. It was never anything I considered alarming.
    I replaced the EL42's because I didn't like the noise and what I considered the rough ride. I was also concerned about the very low ratings the EL42's received in almost every category on the Tire Rack.com survey which is based on drivers who have been driving on them.
    I bought the LSZ's because they were the highest rated tire in the Grand Touring all season category at the time I bought them. I see they have been replaced at the top by Continental Premier Contacts since I bought mine but both tires received very high marks across the board. I have 600 miles on the LSZ's. The weather in the Northwest has been an adventure for the last month.. rain, sun, snow and freezing rain. I left the TL in the garage during the snow and freezing rain because I have an SUV which I love to drive in adverse weather conditions.
    I have however driven the LSZ's in hard rain and dry conditions as has my wife. We both love the tires. They are quiet, comfortable and you can push them hard. They should be all of that for what they cost but they do have a 40k mileage guarantee. I put the LSZ's on the car because my wife drives it most of the time and is on the road every day.
    I haven't noticed any flat spotting or vibration. My car is garaged at night so maybe that makes a difference in the morning, I don't know.
    The LSZ's are very nice tires and a very great improvement over the EL42's which are in storage and will be put back on the car when I sell or trade it.
    I am sure there are other fine tires out there but I feel I did get what I paid for in every category.
  • kphkph Member Posts: 40
    From the 2004 Acura TL brochure I got from my dealer:
    "Recomended Fuel: Premuim unleaded 91 octane"

    This is marked with footnote #10, which in reading the fine print says:

    "Gasoline with an octane number lower than 91 may be used, with reduced performance."

    Just ordered a Redondo Red/Camel 2004 TL/AT/Navi yesterday - will have it in late March/early April. :) Much anticipation :)
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