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Would the change to 3.0VVT-i is updated in 2003 brochure by now in Canada ?
I could not find any info regard the change.
Thanks
Bob
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/html/0220.htm
2>The reason that DOHC applications are in the "premium" or higher priced vehicles is because they can make more power... With a DOHC application, you can do a cam phasing on the intake and exhaust cam, while on a SOHC application, you must do both at once. If I remember the ressearch I did, under low RPM applications, retarding the intake cam can create more TQ because it allows a better a/f ratio, and it can ovelap the exhaust to decrease emissions on cold engines. Under high RPM, you can extend the duration of the exhaust, causing better scavaging of the cylinders... More info can be found if you want to research further...
Here are some numbers
D16Y8 1.6L SOHC 1590cc 127HP(6600rpm)/107TQ(5500rpm)
B16B 1.6L DOHC 1595cc 185HP(8200rpm)/118TQ(7500rpm)
Both had VTEC, but one was double, one single. That allows for different timing on the cam activations as well and allows better efficiency of the engine.
Gotta be a devils advocate... hehe
I did look at the difference, and for me it was worth it. For the extra 2grand, I got the security system(instead of keyless entry), SAB, the aluminum trim, 6-disc cd changer, sunroof, and the electronic brake distribution. Kinda worth it, I think.
The problem I have always found with Toyota's is that it is usually very difficult to find the one with all the options that you want. Unless you want only the more common features. That's actually why I ended up getting the Accord vs. the Camry. I looked at one, but wanted a 5spd(almost) fully loaded. Couldn't find one in sight, and they said I had to buy package x to get y, etc which may be bull, but still...
They are both very fine vehicles, and I would have been happy with either, but the accord had all the features for about the same price.
So for those of you who want to be able to pick and choose options on your Toyota or Honda, be glad that you can't or you'd be having the same quality issues that the "Domestic" makes have with their quality because they don't standardize their work.
Just an FYI.
Ken
Without going into the nitty-gritty
VTEC: The cam timing is changed through multiple cam profiles. A two-stage VTEC (most VTEC's in the US) improves top-end power. The 3-stage in the 03 V6, also improves mid-end power as well as top-end power. Then there's the VTEC-E system (Civic HX and Hybrids), which, as stated earlier works on the intake cam also. THe low-speed cam only opens the intake valve partially for improved low-end power and efficiency (basically force larger swirl at lower speeds). THe higher speed cam fully opens the intake valve.
VVT-i: works by altering the phasing of the cam timing. This is why Toyota engines tend to be DOHC. Most VVT-i systems work on the intake cam only, independent of the exhaust cam. There's a electronic-hydraulic actuator which delays or advances the intake cam "timing" to produce a broader torque curve and improve the efficiency of the operation.
i-VTEC: VTEC with VVT-i. Which is why it's a DOHC design (HOnda 4-cyl). THough there are 2 versions in the US, best illustrated by the Acura RSX:
economy: VTEC-E with VVT-i
performance: regular VTEC with VVT-i (multiple cam profiles on both intake and exhaust)
What does the Accord 4-cyl have? My best guess is the economy version of i-VTEC.
If you want to know the nitty-gritty details...the internet has many excellent sites.
All true, but let me add something that's emerging: aggressive companies in the mold of Honda and Dell (for PCs) who promote customization with little or no quality compromises.
Carmakers who've got this philosophy nailed at this point stand the best chances of succeeding when customized but mainstream cars come of age.
It's starting to happen, and it will probably pick up some more - going to the carmaker website and picking out your model, color, options (as with Honda).
What distinguishes Honda, Dell and maybe some other similar companies from the rest, is the standardization of a quality philosophy rather than standardization of selected portions of that philosophy.
What I mean is this: a car company, as with most other businesses, creates its "Camcord XLS-Type S" following a process comprising of several portions or stages - conceptualization, development, prototyping, production (which includes supply sourcing), marketing and after-sales support.
A true quality company has quality in all those stages, while a sub-par business thinks it's got quality only if it has a top-notch quality control department in the production stage.
Because there are already carmakers who are true quality companies, it's very likely that we as consumers will still get our cake and it eat too: a high-quality, customized car.
And Honda, Toyota, Nissan and - I sincerely wish at some point, the US carmakers - appear poised to deliver.
The interior ivory color on the Accord appears to be so very light, I could foresee problems keeping it clean. Too bad a little more thought wasn't put into cloth seats/carpeting which would present an easier upkeep situation! Tone-on-tone combinations could be very attractive!
From what I have seen, you have more opportunities to "make your own Camry" than you can "make your own Accord!!" I can get an XLE with cloth seats and no moonroof! That's probably what I'll do!
Does anyone know what's included in the Camry Luxury Edition advertised on TV? Can't find it on the Toyota site. Just wondered if it's a "special edition."
Thanks for the opportunity to vent!
in conclusion, alas, honda DOES offer safety features on all models. although the only ones left to add are the side bags. ABS is standard on ALL accords.
Accord has them
Camry doesn't
This is a deal breaker for getting the car; can't afford to shell ou buck to fix them; they always end up getting hit in parking lots, etc.
Can't beleive Toyota did this.
I saw 2 get broken off of cars this holiday season by people.
Just a word to the wise...
You may not have needed them so far. By the same token, I've never faced a situation where I needed the air bags on my car, but I still want them anyway.
So don't get *too* vocal with the suggestions about "parking further out" and "getting some exercise" (excuse me???). I do so and still ran into the mirror problem. It's not a deal breaker for me, but I'd certainly rather have them than not.
If you haven't this happen, I'm happy for you...but I still maintain any modern car should have them. Of course, not the only factor, but a significant one if you have ever gotten a mirror whacked.