Older Honda Accords

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  • yugoboyyugoboy Member Posts: 161
    Leave it to honda to totally drop the ball on the redesign, i agree with everyone that this car we be reliable and trustworthy, but for the love of god give us something better then this!!!!! All the sketches looked so promising, sleek, ground hugging euro design, what we get is big bulky [non-permissible content removed] crap design!!!! I know i am sounding a bit harsh but i think honda will pay for this one, and i have to agree with everyone that the rear end looks big bulky and droopy!!!!
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    If Honda doesn't change a single thing to the interior it will still be heads and shoulders better than the Camry and Altima.

    Who do some of you guys/gals think this car is marketed to? It's not aimed at adolescents who think a mitusbushi eclipse is a hot looking car. i'm saving judgment until i see some better pictures, but me thinks its looks better than the current car. that's not saying much though.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    "If Honda doesn't change a single thing to the interior it will still be heads and shoulders better than the Camry and Altima."

    No way. I say, yes,absolutely Hands Down, the 98-02 Accord beat the 97-01 Camry interior in every way. Not so the 2002 Camry. The gauge illumination at night is outstanding, the controls are soft touch electronic, the upper dash is a richer color, contrasting to the lower dash, and the steering wheel has a classy chrome logo instead of molded plastic. The Altima is a different story. The only real problem I have with the current Accord is the amount of black plastic surrounding the HVAC/Radio.

    That said, I'm not too fond of the rear end styling of the new Accord, it looks inflated and droopy. I do like the new front end, though. Perhaps it will grow on me in time, but I think our 02 Camry LE with alloy wheels is much more attractive overall, as is the Altima... though I dont feel its boy racer tailights fit the intention of the car as a family midsizer. Class leader in the looks dept: Mazda 6. Pretty decent interior, too.

    But of course, there's much more to a car than styling. Anyone have confirmation on engines and output?
    ~alpha
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...on the least important aspect of the car - how it looks. It looks conservatively Honda-ish, exactly as I expected, and all of this arm-waving is misplaced. I posted several weeks ago that all of you looking for radical sheet metal were missing the point, but what do I know?

    What Honda means about "radical change" is going to be under the skin - word has it that they have at last achieved Camry-like refinement levels, without losing the better handling and engine performance that has always given them a slight edge. If this is true, then the conservative sheet metal will mean absolutely nothing in the marketplace - less than nothing. And all of you who need a more "radical" look can find it in plenty of other places in the market right now....for me, the car looks fine, more or less how I expected it to look, and the next big question is how it drives. That was always the most important question all along...
  • ricschricsch Member Posts: 540
    Who designed that car, almost has a Saturn look to it. As for the taillights, Honda should market a taillight maksing kit like what they had on those white cars in the spy photos!!
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    I'm sure it will grow on me, but I wish they would have stayed more consistent with the design themes of the 90-93 and 98-02 cars. The new design looks like a larger update of the 94-97 car. After seeing a number of 94-97 Accords and the last three generations of Civic around this morning, the C-pilar isn't so weird, but the other cars did it better. At least the Accord looks more expensive than the current Civic. I don't know why, but the rear end of the current Civic looks cheap to me with the harsh cutlines of the taillights. Makes the '03 Accord look almost elegant.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    In your opinion, styling may be the least important aspect of the car, but for many consumers it is not. 1996 Ford Taurus? HUGE incentives couldnt even keep that car on top of the sales charts (as its predecessor was). I dont really consider this car to be "conservatively" styled- I find the rear end particularly distinct bordering on dramatic- and I think its ugly. It could be the best car ever in the midsize class, true, but if its not pleasing to the eye in person, it will be hard sell for ME, when the lease is up on MY 00 Camry.
    ~alpha
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    The rear end looks cheap because Honda spruced up the 1999-2000 Civics with those modern/expensive looking crystallized taillights. The 2001 employs the dull lenses that are totally not in vogue with the rest of the car market.

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  • j_walkerj_walker Member Posts: 99
    The gold pic (side view) of the '03 Accord resembles the 4-door C-class Mercedes. Anybody else notice this?
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    Ok, anybody have the coupe photo's????? Please let us know.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Will probably be the same as the spy pic we've already seen.

    j_walker- Have you seen the spy pic of the Accord coupe? There's a very overt Mercedes resemblance on that one.
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Only in the taillights, IMO.
  • ickes_mobileickes_mobile Member Posts: 675
    Maybe Honda's styling is to be influenced more by Merc than BMW as was the case in the past. Seems like a strange shift if your trying to retain younger buyers...

    On the Civic taillights, you're right the lenses do make a difference. But, I also don't like the way the current car's cut into the top of the trunk rather abruptly.
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    If the coupe looks like the spy pics we have all seen, I think I may like the 02 better. Well, as far as looks go that is.
  • j_walkerj_walker Member Posts: 99
    diploid: Yes. I've seen the pics of the coupe and I do concur with its resemblance to the Mercedes coupe.
  • wgrwgr Member Posts: 127
    I know it is hard to tell from only pictures, but I think the 03 Accord looks terrible. Based on this, I am waiting for the Mazda 6
  • verozahlverozahl Member Posts: 574
    Honda does not need to copy Benz's styling! UGH!
    What the heck is up with BMW and Honda these days on styling?!
  • ahossaahossa Member Posts: 152
    Honda seems to be chasing the grandfather crowd. There are 72 million people under 25 years old and that's the best they can come up with?Give me a break.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    The Accord is not produced with sub-25 year olds in mind.

    That's where the Civic and RSX come in.
  • waydewayde Member Posts: 198
    but Honda has said that it is trying to lower the median age of it's current demographic trend (which is actually trending older). The new Civic didn't help, neither will the new Accord.
    Hey, my 21 year old sister just bought an 02 Accord SE coupe - she likes the looks (as do I).. not so much with the 03.
    There is much to be said for syling - I do not agree with some previous posts that say the exterior styling doesn't matter. I would say in the short run this may be somewhat true - as the diehard loyalists and those only seeking a comfy/quiet ride will enjoy it. But, the impression this leaves on those looking for cars will not be good if one take into account the exterior. Look around, I think it's fair to say most people DO care about what their ride looks like. They care about their clothes and stuff, right?
    BTW - I'm 31, had a GS-R and currently drive a Mazda Protege5. I have loved hondas since the mid 80's (cuz they were sporty looking/handling) but I guess that's starting to change. First no Prelude, then bland civic, now bland accord :-(
    Looks like I too will be looking into the 6.
    Go check out mazdausa.com -- a lot of new pics of the 6 :-))))
  • whothemanwhotheman Member Posts: 169
    One the new Accord, coupe and sedan, are both pretty putrid in schtyle. MAYBE the interior can make amends (give Honda the benefit of the doubt). Accord will lose some sales, maybe just enough to keep it #2 for a while. The new Altima and Mazda 6 are pretty awesome to look at (and drive, I drove the Altima right after a new Maxima, MUCH smoother!). Nissan traded quality for sex appeal, size, and power. The Camry looks much better than the fig newton they made last generation. If they'd add another 25HP, and give the V6 SE a stick, it would rule for the next 4-5 years.....
  • whothemanwhotheman Member Posts: 169
    Tanked the Shark? Tossed it under a bus? They funked up, that's all I know.
  • wolverine_xwolverine_x Member Posts: 54
    Styling is truly subjective. Everyone seems to dislike the new accord but I think I am just one of the few who really likes it. The design kept its clean lines and thats what important for me. I also like the tail lights, it is very alfa-romeo-sque which is good. The have used decent amount of chrome outside like the current gen, which is again a carryover from the current gen. I am not so much enamored with so much chrome like the Passat.

    I am sure the interior will be the best thing about Honda, i bet my .02 cents on that. And hopefully, the interior is also as quiet as the new camries. If that is the case, honda has a new winner in their hands. Not necessarily that the people here will buy though because there has been concensus that it's ugly. At least with the guys here....
  • cardinal5cardinal5 Member Posts: 8
    I think the new Accord looks great. I have confidence that Honda has made improvements to the drive train and the new Accord will provide a more refined ride. I am sure this model will be very successful and will outsell (by a huge margin) the new Mazda 6. The Accord is not targeted to the under 25 crowd (never was). Honda did their homework and they hit a homerun.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    "Accord will lose some sales"

    you wouldn't want to put a wager on that?

    I have a hunch a lot of this whining about the car's styling is coming from people who can't afford the car anyway. me thinks this car looks better than any of the earlier accords with the exception of the ones with the bug lights. those cars looked good at the time. then again, i'm becoming an old fart.
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    How many of you are females, above 35 yrs old, and like the new Accord's looks?
  • wolverine_xwolverine_x Member Posts: 54
    Well, I am not that old (27) but I like the new styling pretty much.

    I will put a wager that this new accord will be a better seller than the current one.

    OK guys, put your money where you mouth is...
  • whothemanwhotheman Member Posts: 169
    I sure will take into consideration anyone who uses grammer like "Me thinks....". Not only can I afford an Accord, but I can buy and sell you with it! Don't attack other Hall members personally......
  • wolverine_xwolverine_x Member Posts: 54
    No I am a male. At least that's what I know the last time I checked...
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    I don't think it's ugly, per se, it's just gawd-awful boring.

    Looks too tall, but then, everything today looks too tall to me. Current fad: sedans replacing minivans in all but name.

    It'll sell. Hondoids have never been all that demanding when it comes to style. They have other priorities and Honda knows it. If Toyota can rack up records with that eyesore called Camry, this'un will do just fine.

    I like the handles, FWIW.

    BTW, the coupe looks a bit more promising to me...
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    I didn't say it won't sell. It'll sell...while I like the previous generation Accord's look, it is typical Honda bland. The same for the new Accord.

    Our family bought our Accord because we were won over by the interior quality, the size, the power, and the price (it was a demo version - no major problems). The looks were only part of the equation.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Exactly!
  • noflakjacketnoflakjacket Member Posts: 7
    Like many on this site, I was not expecting the production Accord to be as dynamic or athletic looking as the MagX sketches. All I was really hoping for was some slight improvements in performance & a slightly more athletic exterior.

    Instead, we get what appears to me to be a poor imitation of a Saturn. We'll all have our opinions about the new Accord, but count me among the very disappointed.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...Alpha, and the rest of you who are so woefully disappointed: what was wrong with the '86 Taurus [and every Taurus since ] had nothing to do with its styling! Which is exactly my point: VERY FEW OF THE 400,000 PEOPLE WHO BUY THE Accord EVERY YEAR do so because of the way it looks.

    I can sympathize up to a point if you were expecting something you didn't get, but just WHY those expectations were there in the first place is the big mystery to me.

    A suggestion: wait until December or January, and take the time to drive the car against its marketplace competitors, including the Mazda 6. I am expecting that both the 4 and the 6cyl Accords are going to reset the parameters for this class of car. If I'm wrong, they won't get my money, but it sure won't be because I think the car doesn't look right...I think it is just fine, and if that's a minority view, well...
  • noflakjacketnoflakjacket Member Posts: 7
    Like many on this site, I was not expecting the production Accord to be as dynamic or athletic looking as the MagX sketches. All I was really hoping for was some slight improvements in performance & a slightly more athletic exterior.

    Instead, we get what appears to me to be a poor imitation of a Saturn. We'll all have our opinions about the new Accord, but count me among the very disappointed.
  • th83th83 Member Posts: 164
    When I saw the pics of the '03 I almost immediately went to my Honda dealer to pick up a '02. I opted for a silver/quartz EX V6 and I love it. It only had 3 miles when I picked it up on Tuesday and it now has 300. Every time I see the pics of the '03, I appreciate my '02 more and more. And, thanks to the dealer cash and the fact that the '03s are 3 months away, I got mine for $22k plus tax and fees.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    i know my grammer just fine and i wasn't attacking you personally. i should of made it clear i was changing subjects going to the next paragraph. i wasn't implying you couldn't afford an accord, just i don't agree with you that sales will suffer because of the new styling. so lighten up, please!
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Member Posts: 932
    Finally, Toyota has a Camry that looks better than the Accord. I like the new Accord's front but the back end is just terrible. I thought the lights would be higher but they are just too saggy as said before. The back end looks "sad." Bad Honda!
  • diploiddiploid Member Posts: 2,286
    Like someone has already posted, I think it's the angle of the camera's lenses that made the back look saggy. If not, then Honda is clearly copying the new 7-Series high rise rump.
  • wolverine_xwolverine_x Member Posts: 54
    "Finally, Toyota has a Camry that looks better than the Accord. I like the new Accord's front but the back end is just terrible. I thought the lights would be higher but they are just too saggy as said before. The back end looks "sad." Bad Honda! "

    I wouldn't be so hasty in judging the new accord, especially that none of us have really seen it personally. The finer details are what makes a car desirable or thrashable.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Member Posts: 932
    Overall, I don't think I'll be able to like the back at all details or no details.
  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Member Posts: 1,982
    Wolverine has a point in that some cars end up looking much better in person than in pictures.

    OTOH, put a pic of the Accord next to a pic of the Camry and there's not a lot of separation, IMO. Now put it next to a pic of the 6, and there's quite a departure. At this point, if a FWD family sedan were in my sights, the 6 is getting the nod.

    But, as Wolverine points out, driving is the telling factor. No way to decide 'til then.

    Based on the pics, though...
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    Has anyone seen any picutures of the coupe other than the spy pics that have been handed around for a long time now???? If so where?
  • ppattersonppatterson Member Posts: 22
    What is the web address for containing pictures of the 2003 Accord. Could someone send them. I'm interested in the visuals. Thx.....
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Go to post #4167.
  • coolguyky7coolguyky7 Member Posts: 932
    I like the back end of the 2003 Accord coupe.
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    You wrote this - " If I were in a the market for a car, I would jump all over the 2002 Accord. Even being a 5 year design, the Accord has beaten the new Altima and in some cases the new Camry in comparison tests." - and I am wondering where you got this info or if you could direct me to it. I did not know that the present 02 held up to the Altima or the Camry. Please let me know.
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    if anyone comes across new picts of the coupe please tell me where I can get them. I saw the old spy picts that have been out for a while, but I thought new ones would come out with the pictures of the four door?
  • bodydoublebodydouble Member Posts: 801
    Seems like this '03 Accord biz has turned you into a wreck trying to decide whether to wait or not! Are you interested in the coupe? Here's my .02. If you're not overly hung up on the power issue and don't want a manual tranny, then seriously consider buying an '02. I doubt that the '03 styling will be a homerun. It may have some nice features like the MB taillights and new door handles, but the truth is the '02 coupe has been one of the nicer-looking coupes on the market, so it's definitely no slouch. If I were you, I would try and see what kind of deal I can make on an '02. If you can get a great deal, then hell, buy it, drive it for a couple or 3 years, then you would still have the option to trade for the new Accord, and just in time to take advantage of Honda's mid-cycle upgrades!

    But if you're power-hungry and need the stick, then you'd have to wait and see.
  • bunk1968bunk1968 Member Posts: 119
    Yeah it is hard to decide. I think I am going to go with the 02, it does not have to be the quickest, but I hope that is by no means a slouch? I would like to see more photo's of the 03 though.
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