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My dealer told me to not baby it either. He says the cars come ready from Volvo ready to rip. I beleived him and it is good that I have heard it quite a few times since.
The turning radius is a joke, but you will readjust your parking habits. Hell, two years later I still sometimes look like a tool ina parking lot!
I agree, the sound system is second to none.
Good luck enjoy you awesome car and you are nuts to want to put all season tires on that car!
Two questions: 1) Did I miss out on a very good deal? 2) Should I expect to drive this car from 51K to 100K miles with minimum chance of mechanical failure or expense? Any input on these questions would be appreciated. Since I liked this car so much, I will be looking for another one. Since I am not yet up to speed on Volvos, any advice that might aid my search would also help. Thanks. Brian
The handling is wonderful ... felt in control every second.
Very happy with my decision ... this is a great car.
Sorry if I’m ranting and raving, but I don’t know what else to do. So disappointed!!! Thought I bought a Volvo – ended up with something far less in the S60.
Anybody else with similar feelings, or am I out of line?
If it doesn't resemble its predecessor in terms of functionality, what exactly is in the S70s that you would like to have in your S60?? I have an S70 T5 now and I'd like to know what I'd be missing if I went into an S60.
Were you ONLY looking for a safe car?
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Was I only looking for a safe car? Well, not "only", but it sure was at the top of the list. Without what I perceived as top-notched safety reputation, the S60 would have been at about #4 or 5 on my list. Now that hindsight is in focus at 20/20 and I am finding out that safety is good, not great, well I'm not feeling good about my decision.
Additionally, compare the size of the A-pillar between the S70 and the S60 - the S60 A-pillar almost obstructs the view to the side. There are numerous other safety features that are developed as a result of Volvo's program of researching accidents in which Volvo cars are involved. The results of the research is then incorporated into product design for future models. The S60s larger A-pillar is an example of evolutionary development.
Regarding S60 saftety - relax there's nothing to worry about. If you look at the test results from ALL available sources (IIHS, NHTSA, and most significantly EuroNCAP which is more comprehensive) you will find the S60 does as well as anything in its class except possibly the BMW 3 series (e46) and Saab 9-3 and even then it's pretty close.
The safety systems found on the S60 are as effective as assumed. WHIPs for example holds the benchmark standard in IIHS rear-impact injury scores (since 1999 testing), side impact curtains found on P2 Volvos led to a P2 being the first vehicle to obtain 5-star all-around test scores in NHTSA testing(S80 was first), etc. etc.
Any car can be designed to outperform a specific Volvo in a specific laboratory test. It's real world performance that is most telling and in the real world Volvo, Saab, and now BMW seem to still be the best in safety (with Mercedes on the return after several embarrasing issues over the past 10 years.)
Thanks.
-rollie
rdollie@att.net
Volvo is mindful about the downside of larger A-pillars (blocked vision). The Safety Concept Car that Volvo introduced has see-through A-pillars. Additionally, by using boron steel, it was possible to get the strength of a larger A-pillar without the bulk (size and weight).
Are there any issues or problems with 2004 S60 2.5T FWD arisen in the discussion?
Thanks,
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
If you're having back pains while maneuvering your munchkins in and out of their safety seats... you might consider an SUV or mini van.
Also he told me that DSTC would be redundant and not needed with AWD. Any commnets?
yk
Separately, DSTC is NOT redundant with AWD. Let me guess, the AWD car that is in stock at the dealer did not have DSTC? DSTC enhances AWD traction in some situations; but in no way is it redundant.
Dave
Don't know if they would be sufficent in heavy snow.
Ground clearance is 6.5 inches if memory serves.
DSTC is useful if your going to travel at high speeds in bad weather. Especially in cornering situations.
Here are the vitals:
MSRP: $35,710.00
Total Lease Cost: $16,965.75
Monthly Payment: $443.50
Base Cap: $30,901.00
Residual: $19,729.25
Money Factor: 0.0019
Acq. Fee: $595.00
License: $154.75
Disp. Fee: $250.00
I had originally agreed upon a slightly more expensive lease through Volvo only to be blindsided by a $395 dispensation fee. After a LONG time in the office of the finance guy, the folks at the dealership reran the numbers with a lease from Wells Fargo, resulting in the numbers above.
Good luck all!
Benjamin
A couple of figures were missing from the numbers you provided - number of months in the lease - does the payment include tax (if so, what is payment pre tax) - mileage per year?
Assuming a 39 month lease, I calculated your payments should be around $385+ tax.
For comparison purpose, I have a 2001 S60 2.4T. It had an MSRP of about $34.5. I did a 48 month, 15K miles/yr lease for $385+tax/month. Only out of pockets were aquisition fee (i.e. no cap cost reduction).
Damon
-36 months, 12k miles per year
-no cap cost reduction
-paid acq. fee, first payment, and $475 security deposit at signing, less than $1200
-(Sales tax is included in all my calculations and runs 9.1% in WA.)
Benjamin
recently happened to me in my new 04 s60awd.
i routinely reset the trip odometer every morning.
the other morning i was 25 or so miles out and
i stopped to refuel. when i restarted the car,
the odometer reset to 0.0. i don't think this
is supposed to happen. comments?
Like I mentioned, I pay about $420 or so month. If I had 12K miles/yr. (like you), I would be about $400 or so a month (with tax). So, for about 440 or so more/month, you are driving a S60R - not bad!!!!
Congrats.
Now, how do you like the car???
If you look on the XC90 forum you'll see complaints about this as well. I would imagine it's prevelant on the 2003-2004 V70's as well. I understand from my dealer that there is a software fix due in a month or so.
Thanks.
-rollie
rdollie@att.net
My local dealer offered 1K off sticker but I hope to do better. I have seen people post 1K over invoice, 800 over invoice and 2.2K below sticker.
If anyone has other thoughts, love to hear them.
Thanks. Great board. This will be my first Volvo. Agree with posts about blowing away new Acura TL and BMW 325. Test drove em all.
Invoice: $35,050 + $685 destination
OSD Price: $34,279 + $0 destination and includes 2 round trip tickets to Sweden, one night hotel paid, and all insurance (so you can drive in Europe) + shipment back to U.S + tour of Volvo factory + ability to order the exact options you want...
Save money, take a great trip plus I guarantee you'll never want to buy a car any other way! The only downside is you have to order 2-3 months in advance and it will take about a month for your car to be delivered to your dealer after you drop it off in Europe at the end of your vacation.
See the Volvo website (look for the Overseas Delivery section), www.flyvolvo.com, or the OSD forum on volvoxc.com for details and other people's experiences with OSD. I believe the number of S60 Rs available through OSD is limited. You do have to travel to Europe to take advantage of this offer, but some people who are simply trying to save as much money as possible have only stayed the one free night and flown back the next day.
I think it is interesting to discuss all this crash test data. If I am properly informed, the crash tests have pre-defined impact points and impact loads. So if I want to pass a crash test, I better be sure I know how the car responds when impacted at those points and at that load. Gee, I wonder what happens if it get hits off center from those points. Well, I hope that cell phone user is paying enough attention to hit me in the right spot.
The big tread blocks are sometimes easy to deflect.
My Corvette used to do it all the time.
Its a common complaint of performance cars.
Usually you need to vary the speed (don't use the cruise control for example) and be careful to not slam on the brakes for a short while.
Do check the manual, though.
are these reliable? i know the new S40 is based on Ford/global platforms. is the S60 a pure and true Volvo? or was the S80 the last of the real Volvo's?
would you all recommend a base model S60 automatic to a single mom with toddlers? she wants a car that is safe, and one that doesn't look bad either. she is looking at dark green or navy, both are "demo" cars. is the 5 cylinder engine decent? no tranny issues? are the old Volvo exhaust and electrical issues worked out?
THANKS!
i don't own one, so i can't help you with the other issues.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The S60 would be perfect for someone that wants safe economical transportation