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pennis
Good Luck
On the S60 board on http://www.volvospy.com there is even a guy who gets 310+ bhp out of his S60.
And there are *a lot* of 'bug-reports' on the S60, mostly minor problems on parts of the car I never heard of
I hope the S60 diesel comes out soon, I'm waiting for that car... *dream*
I've test drove the Audi 2.7T and I would think that engine is a lot more comparable to the T5.
Don't let the fact I'll probably get the Volvo impact your decision. I love my Audi but with the way the option packages are configured now, I would have to pay a lot more to keep some of the options I have today, plus it's time for a change. Besides, the redesigned A6 will be available when my Volvo lease will be up and perhaps I'll switch back then.. Good luck.
debchiil, congrats on your new purchase. Although the CD Changer could be broken, the most likely culprit is the dealer who may not have downloaded the appropriate software after installing the unit. Regarding the remote control, make sure the dealer swaps it out for a properly programmed version.
Enjoy your new toy!
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
Despite these seeming drawbacks, I'm still interested in the S60 when it comes out with AWD. By that time, we should know whether it would be experiencing the same "growing pains" as the S80. If it's reliable enough, the S60 could present a nice alternative to the VW/Audi offerings (although the new A4 has also caught my eye).
cheers:
-The black body moldings protect the doors from parking lot dings and give character lines. In New York, you'd wish that whole car was made of rubber, though.
-high-rpm kick-in-the-butt turbo boost
-excellent fit and finish, almost like an Audi, better than small bimmers.
-feel of solidness, bimmer-like thump going over expansion joints
-luxurious leather, comfortable seats
-cool color, no one else here has golden cars
-silent, but not quite as silent as a toyota
-ECC works like a dream
jeers:
-no rear leg room, but that's not my problem really. I don't sit there
-no visibility to left hind quarters. It is really dangerous to merge to the left almost blind
-windshield gets scratched very easily (anyone knows a way to make scratches less visible?)
-imprecise steering, too much boost
-high-frequency vibration from engine
-no low-end torque whatsoever
-turbo lag
-quite useless manumatic, the automatic mode cannot be beat. I would prefer the 2.4T's transmission, or selectable shift modes.
-standard speakers are only so-so
-FM radio sound quality
-no clear-lens headlights (but very good lights otherwise)
-touchy brakes
Those are all just minor imperfections, I still love the car!
Thanks
I have had my 2.4T for almost 2 weeks, and I really love the car.
Once you feel the steering wheel in you chest, or you feel like some old lady close to the steering wheel, it will cross your mind that you wish the S60 had more rear leg room!
Personally, I really like RainEx. I can't say that it reduces scratching or pitting, but it works wonders in the rain. I also find it easier to scrape ice off my windshield when it's applied. Tensor is right, though; it must be reapplied periodically (I think the label says to do it monthly.) Also, it's important to apply it correctly, else you get a haze that's pretty annoying in direct sunlight.
I suppose if it adds measurably to safety and long-term maintenance, then more manufacturers should eventually adopt the same design. Until then, I can't help of being reminded of the bolt-through-post battery of my old Merkur which was such a headache. (Yes, I know it's really not the same thing and certainly not the same type of car, but please forgive me of being leery of "innovative" electrical design.)
I think the seat being higher up helps, so that your legs are pointing down, not out (more like sitting in a kitchen chair, instead of a beanbag). Plus, there is plenty of toe room under the front seat (side benefit of the B pillar vents), and the seat back is hollowed out.
Anyway, I could sit comfortably, and my legs didn't hit the back of the front seat. Yes, a couple more inches would be nice, and I probably wouldn't pick this car if I regularly drove with three adult passengers, but it is fine for kids or occasional adults. How often do you ever see passengers in the rear sit of a car these days anyway?
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
Has anyone compared the S60 Geartronic to other makes, such as Acura, ChryCo? The Volvo box seems very slow in shifting, almost as if it was a regular transmission jurry-rigged for tiptronic style operation.
My 2.4T is on order, and the wait is driving me nuts - this is pure torture.
john151, I believe the S60 tranny is an Aisin Warner unit. Regarding the Geartronic function, it is at LEAST as fast as the Tiptronic (Audi) and Steptronic (BMW) units I've used and better yet it is the least obtrusive (the others shift for you much too often). The Geartronic only shifts for you as you bring the car to a stop. Other units will shift if you rev too high, press the pedal quickly, etc. I prefer Geartronic because it gives you more control than any of the other manumatic transmissions (if you're foolish enough to thrash the engine at the redline it will let you which is the way it should be). Of course no manumatic is a substitute for a manual transmission and Geartronic is no exception in this regard.
Thanks.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
p.s. - I have both 4-speed and 5-speed Geartronics. The only notable difference is that the 4-speed seems to up shift a bit quicker.
The 5-speed Geartronic is an Aisin Warner unit. There are many different manumatic transmissions on the market, but none of them really give you as much control as Geartronic. Acura's 5-speed SportShift will not let you shift from 1st to 2nd by yourself. Mercedes Touchshift is odd just like Chryslers Autostick, they both work in the horizontal direction, instead of verticle up and down. Tiptronic that is used in both VW and Audi, have the manumatic gate on the passenger side rather than the drivers side. Geartronic has two main safety features, it will go back to 1st automatically when you come to a stop if you forget and it will not downshift if the computer senses that the impending revs are too high, other than that, you will have full control. Also, unlike other manumatics, Geartronic will not upshift automatically if the revs reach the rev-limiter. They only other manumatic that rivals Geartronic IMHO is BMW's Steptronic, which is also great!
What are the internal differences between the light and high pressure turbo motors?
Any clues on cost of installing a telephone keypad on the dash. I have a base S60 with the intro package.
Thanks
The T5 I ordered will be my first car with leather because I have actually preferred cloth. I wanted to have leather on this car, which is a good thing---because the cloth seats are ugly and cheap looking IMO. The pattern on the cloth just looks cheap (Passat's cloth seats look much better IMO).
The leather seats are awesome though!
Which model S60 are you interested in?
Almost nothing. I sent e-mail to Volvo who quickly refered me to the Phoenix group, I called them and they said yes I do qualify under fords discount plan when I asked she said she was not sure but said she thought is was 4% under invoice that to me means that the base car should be able to be bought for about $23500 dollars that is calculating the 4% from the MSRP price.
When I went and looked at the dealer he said it was 1% below invoice (But Dealers Lie). If anyone knows anything about these plan I would appreciate a Post on the subject. I will include the e-mail and number below. Thanks Guys.
Nelson
Mr.Nelson,
For information on the Ford A/Z Plan, please contact the Phoenix group
at 1-800-348-7709. Unfortunately, we do not have any information on A
Plan pricing and suggest you double-check with the Phoenix Group or your
retailer.
Drive Safely,
Claudette Scheffold
Volvo Cars of North America
Personally I'd love an S60, but I'm waiting to see when the R model is coming out and how much it will be. I don't think I'll need all that performance or power, but the thought of AWD really sits well with me - and this is a car I want to keep for a long time. I know the M series is the benchmark on performance for sports sedans, but I only hope the R won't be as expensive.
Derek
BTW all, remember that Volvospy.com is a great resource for all your volvo questions. Many true enthusiasts (R. Ollie is a great contributor there) that know more than I can imagine about these cars.
X-Plan, which a Ford employee can get for anyone (with certain restriction and up to a limit of 4 per year) is the A/Z-Plan price (before including destination) plus 4% for most vehicles or plus 2% for Volvos, plus destination.
By the way ... X-Plan is really only supposed to be used if it helps sway someone to purchasing a Ford product instead of a competitor's product. (It can also be used by someone who has purchased vehicles using the X-Plan before.)
Hope that helps clear things up.
I have to admit, I don't like the sisal seats either--but I don't think they look cheap.
Everyone knows that water is made of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. Each hydrogen atom has a charge of +1 and each oxygen atom has a charge of -2 (for a net neutral charge). Your windshield has imperfections that leads to random positive and negative charges across the window. Either the hydrogen or oxygen side of the water molecule sees this charge and "sticks" to the windshield. (Even though the H2O molecule is negative, one side is slightly more positive and the other side is slightly more negative)
This is what RainX does... It is uniformly neutral solution that sticks to your windshield. If applied correctly, this leaves only a neutral layer covering the windshield. Since the surface is now neutral, H2O has very little reason to stick as well as it does normally. Now, only surface tension is holding the water on the windshield. That's why RainX is not the perfect solution, it only eliminates one of the many reasons water sticks to your windshield.
This posting was for the geek in all of us who just have to know how things work.
Since the rear window on the S60 is so slopped the rain x will do a good job of keeping it clear.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
cynberg,
It's good that you're enjoying your S-60, but your statement above is a wonderment. Is it simply because the S-60 suites you better or that the Audis seem to be getting too commonplace? There are a lot of people who would love to be behind the wheel of an Audi.
The latest on the new A4 includes much more interior space especially rear seat leg room and a new 6-speed manutronic transmission that reportedly shifts faster than a manual. It got a pretty good write-up in the January issue of Automobile Magazine. Who knows, the article may open your mind to other possibilities. :-)
I would appreciate any real life experiences from S 60 owners on the Volvos traction in snow? Do you think I will be expecting to much from the car to beable to go in snow like a Jeep 4wd. Thanks
I have a volvo too. what the "W" mode does is simply shifting to the 3rd gear instead of the 1st when starting. It gives you better control of the vehicle. that's all!
stability control ONLY works if your drive wheels have traction. I have a 4WD w/ stability control. It's not unusual that I still lose control if the road is totallly iced up.
kiiwii-- "It gives you better control of the vehicle. That's all!" Isn't that the whole point? I think the dealer, while obviously trying to make a sale, was also absolutely right. I'll take a new set of Blizzaks over any AWD or electronic stability aid any day.