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What Would It Take for YOU to buy a diesel car?

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess eco credit sounds better than "whoops we missed our CAFE targets hurry up and sell more diesels!" :D
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    edited October 2012
    Yes like SkyActive D !? I can not find any real explanation of what that means in real English. Now, I get the ethereal slant/ version. You know, Tesla WW power grids with linked stations, set off by Egyptian pyramids, free to cheap to endlless power and SKY hooks. We used to use a lot of sky hooks in the service.

    Yes, I do know that D = turbo diesel.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    SkyActiv, leave off the "e".

    Probably so they can trade mark it.

    You know, like Flo Rida and Xhibit, dawg. :D
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    Insert the metric: for 100,000 miles.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    This is old news (2012 MY but the cheapest BMW X5 35 D in US inventory is 53k (52,990) out of 464 D units.

    Where did you find that data? I didn't see it on BMW USA website.

    BTW, no 2013 X5d. At least not yet. The X5 is going through redesign and I believe that in addition to body/interior changes, they will be revising the diesel engine option(s). The X5 3.5i and 5.0i are available as MY 2013, and you can still order a to be built X5d as a MY 2012 model through the end of this month.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    OPEC probably threatened them. Too much revenue loss. ;)

    You just know half the X5s made end up in OPEC countries.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    edited October 2012
    Yes I think BMW might want to list MSRP rather than the prices real dealers sell them for.

    Indeed I am a tad confused, 3,069 units, 2013 BMW X5 are listed for 2013. 8 diesels (x5 35 D are in inventory

    Yes I have never ever bothered to ask oems when the order cut off dates are.

    It is getting to the end of the 2012 season. The remaining inventory for VW Touareg TDI's are 433.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Sorry to repeat, but where did you find that data? Please provide a source or link. Thanks.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    habitat, congrats on selecting the x5d instead of the admittedly-cool tesla or fisker or whatever non-GM electric cars you were looking at!
    Also I appreciate the point about weighted averages as applies to city vs highway vs total mpg.
    (And independent of arithmetic, I hope the the beginner-driver in your household has told you recently that you are world's #1 dad!)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    MPG for an UP grade leg has been 28 mpg lots of stop and go traffic. ( 3 adults and airplane lugguage for all, San Jose, CA to South Tahoe, Highway 50).

    It will be interesting to note what the down grade mpg will be. Pen and ink should capture the real world mpg.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    Elias, thanks, but you may have given me premature credit where it isn't due. The X5d replaced my wife's old MDX, but I'm still considering the Tesla or a fun car to replace/augment my aging TL. I'm going to test drive the Tesla this week and give them the answer on whether to refund my deposit or build me a car. Odds are I'll be $5,000 richer by Friday, but you never know. And my two teenage daughters would certainly contend that I'm a very long way from the world's #1 dad, but I try to make sure that they know they are 100% of what matters most. That's easy math.

    Cheers.
  • eliaselias Posts: 1,898
    You are most welcome, Hab.
    Please pass along any/all comments about the x5d!...
    fwiw, the tesla is growing on me - I saw it on Byron Allen's "cars.tv" over the weekend. Best wishes with your next/maybe-Tesla vehicle choice.
    I sure agree with your 100% math, but recommend you check your worlds-#1-dad coffee cup to verify where in the top-10-dad-list you are.
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  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    edited October 2012
    "MPG for an UP grade leg has been 28 mpg lots of stop and go traffic. ( 3 adults and airplane lugguage for all, San Jose, CA to South Tahoe, Highway 50).

    It will be interesting to note what the down grade mpg will be. Pen and ink should capture the real world mpg."

    To close out this trip, I was not able to get separate up and down leg mpg , real world pen and ink mpg figures. However , this short tank full (16 gal/26.4 gal capacity) went 489 miles for a pen and ink real world filling (filled in an agricultural town), interesting for an EPA of 19/28 mpg. After this, we hit the outlets, then onto lunch in one of the greatest end destination cities and hit a consulate to pick up a visa for an upcoming business trip. I was glad the SF Giants were playing an AWAY game. Traffic would probably be worse that it already was.

    The roads, traffic and weather were absolutely stellar. Not a sign of snow anywhere (7500 to 9,500 ft)

    Applicable side bar: The MDX driver that went on this trip with me was almost incredulous about both the range and mpg.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    edited October 2012
    Got a "make me an offer" proposal from a BMW dealer that I referred a friend to several months ago. In July, they sold him a brand new 535i 6-speed manual with a MSRP of just under $60k for $45,500. They still have two 2011 leftover 335d's. MSRP on each is just under $53,000.

    I had called him about a pre-owned 911 they had at their sister dealership. I really wasn't thinking of replacing my Acura TL. It only has 63k miles and is equipped with my much preferred manual transmission. But......there is probably a price that would tempt me. A quick check on the web seems to show $35-36k would be a good price for a USED 2011 335d with medium miles - 20,000-25,000. The lower mileage ones push $39-42k.

    I probably don't want to make an offer that would either completely offend the manager (I still want his help on a Porsche), or put me in a position of feeling guilty if he takes it and I dont really want the car. My fiend already owes me a big dinner for his $14k under MSPR deal on the 535i. Anyone else want to buy me desert in exchange for a $37.5k brand new 335d?

    P.S. Don't ask me for name of dealer. You can probably figure out, but I'm keeping that confidential until I decide what to do. :)
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    edited October 2012
    WOW. I am not sure as to how this compares to anything, but with $53k msrp and 35/36k that is a 1 year decrease of - 32%.! On the lower mileage one you cite, MINUS 26% to 21%.

    It would seem a good way to buy a BMW is @ MINUS -1 year to - 5 years (actually that is also true for most cars) if one wants to come within budget parameters, which most to all do.

    I have not sold any of my TDI's, so I do not know the real world figures. However the last vehicle (gasser 1987 TLC) I sold was a loss of app MINUS -38% over 14 years or MINUS 2.7% per year depreciation.
  • habitat1habitat1 Posts: 4,282
    That first year depreciation is always a painful hit, and substantiates the old rule of thumb that it costs you 15-20% just to drive a car off the lot. With 2011 335d's BMW had been offering $2,500 to $4,500 eco-credits (rebates) throughout their production run, and it's pretty easy to get a 5% dealer discount on the MSRP, so I figure the average buyer of a $53k MSRP only paid $46-48k to start.

    Your 1987 -2001 experience proves that buying a low cost car in an inflationary environment results in the lowest annual depreciation hit. I had a 1984 Toyota Supra that I paid $16k for brand new, drover for 3.5 years and 50k miles, didn't yet replace the tires, and sold in 1988 for $12,600. About $80 per month depreciation. But during that time, the price of a new Supra went from $16k to $22k (+38%) and by 8 years later (1996), Toyota was trying to sell the Supra Turbo for $50k.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    There was a year (20010 IIRC?) where used Subarus went up in value. New models come in at higher prices so more people look to used.
  • ruking1ruking1 Posts: 14,699
    Gagrice sold his Passat and was pretty happy with the low depreciation he experienced.

    During the first 1 to 3 years of the 03 TDI ownership , it would have been a no brainer to sell it for literally what I paid for it (sans taxes) and with anywhere from 25,000 to 50,000 miles. I am guessing that 20/20 hindsight indicates selling it would have been the cleaner deal if I didn't really: want/need transportation 2.set out to keep it for a long time and period of miles.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,847
    I did not even lose any taxes. Only one year Alaska License fee of $30. I got to drive it 13 months and 8000 miles. Which made it legal to own in CA. I put it on Craigslist and had more response than you can imagine. That was 2006. The first to come up with the cash was an older couple from Prescott AZ. They tried finding a wagon TDI for over a year in AZ with no luck. Last email I got from them was a couple years ago. They had made many trips back East to visit family and loved the car. I missed it as soon as I sold it. Here are the 3 diesels I have owned. Still have the tractor and it runs great. The Mercedes RV took almost a year to sell at the price I wanted.

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