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Yes, however most folks and most folks who follow this board would either disagree or do not see it!
For me, getting a warranty (tbd terms)@100,000 miles 2009 VW TDI , can only add to resale value. VW corporate will have skin in the game, keeping owners like me happy : instead of joining one of many lawsuits against them. Or going to another OEM.
They have already done that with:
1. DSG warranty extension to 100,000 miles
2. HPFP fix outside of warranty
3. battery replacement,
4. IRS tax CREDIT in 2009
5. bulb replacement
6. Tbd, N0x fix.
I would further swag that in addition to offering a $2000 loyalty incentive now, that when I go to buy another , they will then again offer ANOTHER $2,000 loyalty incentive.
If by the time, I am dissatisfied with VW: I can use that $2,000 incentive to negotiate a better deal, on say Mercedes or BMW.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
This is too funny! Even a top EPA official is criticizing the...EPA !
http://www.breitbart.com/news/the-latest-epa-official-says-agency-wishes-vw-caught-sooner/
The other exploding bomb shell in the article (if indeed true ) will be the EPA's unpredictability testing protocols. This is pure code for SOS/DD.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
—More than half of VW diesel trade-ins (51.2 percent) went to a brand other than Volkswagen.
—The loyalty rate is higher for VW diesels than for overall VW trade-ins, in which only 39 percent went toward another VW.
—Those VW diesel trade-ins that defected to another brand were most likely to go toward popular Japanese makes such as Toyota, Honda and Subaru.
—Forty percent of VW diesel trade-ins went toward another diesel of any make, while 57 percent of VW diesel trade-ins went toward a gasoline vehicle of any make."
CEO, Edmunds, White House react to VW emissions debacle (nooga.com)
Then why is VW persecuted for cheating on emissions if the existing TDI are safe to drive for another two years till they are "fixed" ??
Is EPA/CARB being a hypocrite ?
So, I think I am not going out on a limb to say that most vehicles "pollute" more than their emissions certification would suggest. The EPA is okay with this, as long as the lab testing of the vehicle's emissions are under the same parameters (vehicle-based, not environmental) as "real world" driving. Since VW changed those parameters under the differing conditions, they're under the gun. And, since they did it on their "clean diesel" vehicles, they're doubly under the gun (e.g., involves other issues like gov't incentive programs). And, since "everyone" loves to hate diesels, they're triply under the gun!
New York Democrat Yvette Clarke told EPA official Christopher Grundler, who also testified, that she was concerned about where the cars might be creating the most pollution.
She asked for a list of states that might be impacted the most because she wants to know if spikes in health care problems could be connected to the extra emissions.
CA does not even test all the diesels older than 1998. How many 100s of 1000s of old diesel PU trucks have NO smog devices on them?
Diesel Smog Check in California
Diesel Smog Check - Since 2010 California has required all diesel trucks and diesel passenger cars which are 1998 model year or newer, and weight 14,000 GVWR or under, undergo a biennial smog inspection similar to their gasoline counterparts.
Second Alternatives require large amounts of Rare Earth Elements. Something we no longer produce. China controls 95% of those resources. Very wise planning on their part. So we buy most of our solar and wind products from China. Lithium is another element needed for current battery design that is controlled by enemies of the USA. Individual solar with battery backup holds some promise for parts of the USA.
If EVs take off in a serious way, we will need a lot more power. Will we go the route Germany is going by expanding coal?
A bit of Obama speak, but Horn, CEO, VW G A sez a couple of (rogue, my sic) engineers made the "cheating" software decision. So in effect, Sergeant Schultz is the culprit. Corporate knowz nut ting!
So IF the 2009 Jetta TDI gets a new reflashing and emissions system, that's a minimum of about 100,000 mile warranty or whatever the Fed/State warranties will be. So if it takes two years, we will probably log 30.000 miles. Defacto, that will be 230,000 miles under warranty.
VW thinks they can "again " get away with it !!!
Austrian Corporal's legacy lives on
As entertaining,sad & as profitable as this has been, even I have to admit to certain amounts of Alice in Wonderland qualities to this.
So from a realistic and practical point of view, I will await the recalls. It is becoming clearer it might take up to two years, if not more .
There was this today:
Virginia trucking firm fined $100,000 for violating California's diesel pollution rules (LA Times).
The company pulled the 73 rigs out of California - now the question is, who gets to breathe that air next?
To lump diesel big rigs with the diesel passenger cars is misleading at the very best.
Some other poster said that I was talking crap, when I said there are big rigs that run around without proper to zero emissions controls . Turns out his post was the stinky & clueless onel!
Pretty amusing seeing the political trash attack the VW suit today, the same people who OK regulations which allow trucks and commercials to pollute far more than cars. Won't help diesel sales.
Works for me - the pilot program showed that Mexican truckers are safe and their trucks get inspected at the border every 90 days, so there's no reason not to keep the pressure on them to normalize the emissions regs from there to Canada (they are at one of the older Euro specs now I think). And the border states have 15 ppm diesel available from Pemex . If you've ever been to Mexico City, you know they could use higher standards there too, although some USLD is available there.
There's no reason to "excuse" passenger vehicles from the regs even though they may share the same fuel as trucks. That's one of the proposals being kicked around to save VW though.
It was interesting to see how many people at the hearing today noted that they had a VW at one time or another.
This makes the VW fiasco seem unimportant. 1 millions semis vs 70k VW TDIs.
The EPA estimates one million semis are on California's highways and more than half are from out of state. It's estimated about 70,000 of those trucks are operating without proper soot filters. They say one unfiltered truck produces as much pollution as one hundred cars, so the crackdown on those trucks is escalating.
http://abc30.com/politics/money-from-epa-fines-on-virginia-trucking-company-to-help-clean-valley-air/1023973/
And yeah, my wife doesn't believe me, but I think I could live without the net if I had to.
Anyway, glad your link says the crackdown is escalating.
PS
LATimes said my freebies had ended.
So, if some number between 450,000 and eleven million isn't big enough Mr. Dirksen, where do you want to start? Seems like keeping ~250 million passenger cars clean just in the US is big target.
"I am a man of fixed and unbending principles, the first of which is to be flexible at all times." Another Dirksenian - miss that guy, even if he was misquoted about his billions..
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
http://www3.epa.gov/region1/airquality/nox.html http://www3.epa.gov/region1/eco/acidrain/top50so2nox.html
The air quality for every region in the country is measured. Any given area is evaluated for what is going into that region, what they add to it, and what they send on to the next region. If you really want to know what this used to be like, don't search for 2008 data, go back to the Clean Air Act of 1990 and see what the levels were. It's still got a ways to go but the over all levels today are a fraction of what they were in the 70s-80s.
. But I have learned by running both of those cleaners, in default set up I believe, it removes everything needed to reset the cookie count. Cuts down on the spam emails. I also tried ghastly, but it was too cumbersome to use which blocks all kinds of info being sent from my computer to the bad and good guys everytime a site page loads. Required blocking too many kinds of links that occur hidden in the background. Many of those I want to work.
Firefox has a history|clear history step in the three bar button at the right of the url bar, if you use it. I've never tried it alone to see if it cleared the right cookies.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
If you really want to zap stuff in Windows, check out links about hosts files.
"Mercedes-Benz, Honda, Mazda and Mitsubishi have joined the growing list of manufacturers whose diesel cars are known to emit significantly more pollution on the road than in regulatory tests, according to data obtained by the Guardian.
The Guardian revealed last week that diesel cars from Renault, Nissan, Hyundai, Citroen, Fiat, Volvo and Jeep all pumped out significantly more NOx in more realistic driving conditions.
“The VW issue in the US was purely the trigger which threw light on a slightly different problem in the EU - widespread legal over-emissions,” Molden said. “For NOx, [diesel] cars are on average four times over the legal limit, because of the lenient nature of the test cycle in the EU.”
Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row (theguardian.com)
This is real world testing, not deliberate cheating.
So what's the fine for untaxed diesel or red dyed AG these days if you are caught out on the road with it in your tank?
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/tougher-penalties-wanted-for-red-dyed-diesel-fuel-violations/article_f2e1bc34-882d-11e2-8471-001a4bcf887a.html
Hmmm, $10 per gallon, times the size of your tank.....
http://www.dol.wa.gov/vehicleregistration/dyeddiesel.html
Fines for refusing to allow your tanks to be inspected...
https://revenue-pa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/147/~/what-is-the-motor-fuels-dyed-fuel-program?
On top of the fines that are levied if they find dyed fuel oil.....
https://revenue-pa.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/148/related/1/session/L2F2LzEvdGltZS8xNDQ0Mzk4OTUxL3NpZC9naU9xOHd5bQ==
"But now that VW has frozen the sales of new and used TDI models, car shoppers may struggle to identify comparable alternatives, she said.
“There’s a bit of a hole in the marketplace,” Ms. Caldwell said. “Other vehicles certainly could be substituted, but there aren’t a lot of affordable fun-to-drive diesels out there.”
While some pickup trucks and sport utility vehicles offer diesels, only one passenger car in America competes directly with the TDI for affordability: The $26,500 Chevrolet Cruze diesel compact sedan, which gets up to 46 miles per gallon and can be driven 700 miles on the highway on a single tank."
With VW No Longer an Option, Diesel Buyers Have Few Choices (NY Times)
Most EU diesels don't seem to be adblue tech cars, so it might be hard to relate them to their US spec equivalents, especially MB and BMW.
Too early to tell what it means but "Federal and California regulators have begun an investigation into a second computer program in Volkswagen’s diesel cars that also affects the operation of the cars’ emission controls." (NY Times).
NOx pollution is at illegal levels in many parts of the UK and is believed to have caused many thousands of premature deaths and billions of pounds in health costs.
Is this an empirical finding or a real factual statement proved by evidence ?
Its like saying Global warming has caused deaths of many Polar Bears ( Quoting Al Gore and his ilk
Quoting , Carlos Ghosyn , CEO of Renault-Nissan. So it is not possible to produce Diesel engines meeting current requirements. Will it be the end of car diesels ?