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Honda Odyssey vs. Toyota Sienna



  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    Hmm? let's see. So you are now comparing a loaded 2002 Town and country LX.

    2002 T&C LX $25,535 with quick order pkg #3 $3040. Total comes to $28,575. So this gives you power driver seat (not available on Sienna LE), RH power silding door, dual zone temperature control (with extra switch for the 3rd zone, but temperatue control is for front and rear only), CD& Cassette, overhead console.

    So factor in 1% inflation. The today price would be $29440. 1.01^3.

    Let's look at both Sienna LE and Odyssey EX.
    LE#9, other than power seat not avaiable. It has everything in your town and coutry LX. Plus side airbag, VSC, and curtain airbag. Not to mention other interor upgrade no avaiable in your T&C LX. All that for $28,815.

    The Odyssey EX has all the feature above at $28510 plus additional feature not on the TC as well. Both offers more van than your DCX LX ever did for same price. Period.

    I found it amusing that you are compare a fully loaded $29k van to a base LE and is justifying it. When fully optioned to same spec, both Odyssey EX and Sienna LE#9 offers more than your T&C LX as same price. BTW, LE#9 comes with a DVD rear entertainment center build in.
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    Feels bigger? I beg to differ. Sienna feels bigger in all three rows and are backed up by real numbers. Your Feeling is not the truth. Number is.

    60/40? Last time i check both Odyssey and Sienna has same design for the 3rd row seat. Simply pulling two straps. One to fold down the seat, and other to pull the seat into the storage area. Both requires same amount of effort. The simple truth is that you really did not spend enough of time in both minivan.
  • Not to mention your 2002 T&C should have floor vents under the driver and passenger front seats, as well as on the right side panel in the third row near the floor. You should have vents on both front doors for the rear passengers and a separate heat/ac unit for 2nd and 3rd row passengers which is located in the right rear of the van.
  • Sorry - Sources of my info were (1) Dumb salesperson and (2) Car & Driver article. The salesperson informed me about the side doors and Car & Driver reported on the liftgate issue.
  • We compared the two and ended up with the Ody. This was a major blow to me since I am a Toyota guy. We had a 00 Sienna and I drive a 97 Camry.

    Big differences for us were drive quality, safety and options. We really like the integrated sunshade on the side windows which were not available in the 8 passenger Siennas. Also liked the accessories, esp. the cargo board that fits into the storage well in the back giving what is essentially a shelf. It seems so minor but the little things will make life so much easier on my wife with 4 kids under 7.

    Only real irritation is the lack of latch system in the Ody's 3rd row.

    We got the Ody for $700 under invoice but could have stolen a Sienna. We were quoted under $26k for a Sienna LE w/ Option 4, allowing $10,900 for our trade (very fair).
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    The Sienna brochures list many options BUT many are never made. The Odyssey comes with every configuration listed in the brochures.
        The Odyssey EX cloth has ALMOST every thing I want whereas the Sienna LE lacks many. The Odyssey is also much more attractive inside and outside with more horsepower and more torque.
        As a bonus, Honda salesmen tend to be much nicer, friendlier, courteous, and less pushy than Toyota salesmen.
  • Ok, to hit a couple of posts back there...

    Odysseys do have a switch to disengage the power drive on the doors/liftgate. It's right above power door switches on the left side of the driver.

    As for Odysseys in Canada, there's a lot of reports of long delays getting them up there. Dunno if there's a real supply issue, or just that the allocations are so low compared to the US that they're exhausting supply several months ahead of time.

    Honda vs. Toyota 3rd row. The seats are different. The Sienna's seat folds down, then "slides" back into the well, such that the back of the seat is facing up. The Honda's folds straight in, such that the bottom of the seat faces up in the well. This makes it possible (although not as easy as it sounds) to pull the latch and fold the seat into the well with one step, rather than taking a couple of steps with the Toyota. Pulling the strap to flip down the back of the seat is not necessary because it will do this on its own as it goes into the well. A minor difference? Perhaps. But it's still there.

    The location of the 40 of the 60/40 split is also opposite of each other. Honda is on the driver side. Toyota is on the passenger side.

    Oh, and the Odyssey does have LATCH in the 3rd row. Just one spot, in the center. Sienna has two positions, one center and one side.

    By the time you get yourself down to a difference of a couple inches of legroom or a couple cubic feet of storage, there's going to be a lot of other reasons that come into play whether you want one van or the other. Both are good vans. It's about what you want/need.

    --> Andy
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    Many are never made??? Honda salesmen (people) are friendlier???
    ONE: Toyota has a long list of variable option packages that can be confusing, but they are available. It is not a game, rather they over tailored their packaging.
    TWO: The Ody is considered by most to be cheaper on the interior finish, but I'll grant this completely subjective - you should acknowledge that your jingoistic comment about the attractiveness of the Ody interior is merely over exuberant opinion.
    THREE: Parent companies (Saturn excepted) do not control dealer "friendliness". My personal experience has been that Honda and Toyota dealers are generally less pushy than Ford, Gm, Chrysler, but there are some real pushy Honda dealerships in my area. Perhaps part of your Honda dealers friendliness stems from the fact that they are selling you a car at or near MSRP.
    FOUR: if you followed the discussions in this forum you would already know that the horse power and torque of the Ody do not translate into better acceleration due to the fact that the Ody is 500 lbs heavier than the Sienna
  • mcase2mcase2 Posts: 160
    What features does a town and country have that a 2005 Sienna or Ody does not have? Rear window vents come on all Siennas. Chrysler second row windows are fixed in place. the seats are uncomfortable. The old TC does not even have third row folding seats!! I onwed a Dodge G Caravan (exact same power train as TC) and its tranny bit the dust at 34,000
  • More than once (at different dealerships) I've been told that an AWD Sienna XLE with Navi and DVD was possible on paper, but wasn't appearing to be built. One dealer thought it might be possible to put in a special order, but wasn't sure. Naturally, this killed the potential for dealing for a good price. Which was unfortunate because 2005's appeared to rectify a lot of the exclusion problems with the 2004 packages.

    I know not if this is true or not. I only know what they tell me, and the fact that I didn't see one on the ground at any of those dealerships.

    --> Andy
  • chiawchiaw Posts: 92
    other than gulf state. You can pretty much order what you want. Simply go ask dealer for his XLE AWD allocation for the up coming shipment. I believe that you can finalize the options on the incoming car 2 weeks prior to manf. date. When I was shopping for my limited, i actually changed one of the dealer orderd limited with pkg 5 into pkg 6 without any problem. I did not take that car as another limited with pkg 6 showed up one week earlier than my car. So it's doable.
  • heywood1heywood1 Posts: 839
    XLE AWD's aren't easy to find as it is, especially on the west coast. And if you want to add NAV & DVD to it, you're not far away from an XLE AWD Limited. So the bird you're looking for may be rare. Unless you absolutely don't want HID headlights, & laser cruise, then I'd go for a Ltd. They're more common, and you can probably get better prices.
  • lobsenzalobsenza Posts: 619
    I have ordered 2 2005 Toyota Siennas both at $500 over invoice, both without a problem. The XLE I ordered without NAV was available exactly how I ordered it in 1 week. The XLE Limited I ordered with Nav is taking longer because of the availability of the Nav. As long as you are patient, you can get what you want for a reasonable price. We live in the Gulf States region.
  • That's funny about the side door button location in the Sienna. We never did find it, because it never occurred to me or the sales guy to look UP at the mirror. It was a rainy day and I was in a hurry (it was lunch and I had to get back to work), but still ... you would think if it were intuitive we would have looked there. I get the point about the buttons being in a location where the passenger can also reach them, which I suppose might matter at times, but still ... that doesn't seem intuitive to me.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Fact is, that most other vans have these buttons up in the overhead console, Ford, GM, and Chrysler, have them that way for years.
  • Which one has side airbags ? Is that standard ?
    Ody or Sienna ?
  • Ford, GM and Chrysler ... other than the T&C, do those folks even sell any vans?

    Maybe that's why Honda put them on the dash. (tic)
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,567
    standard on Ody, optional on Sienna (although they may be standard on the top line model).

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • player4player4 Posts: 362
    2005 Honda Odyssey has front, front-side, and side-curtain airbags standard.

    2005 Toyota Sienna has front, front-side, and side-curtain airbags standard on XLE Limited models. On CE, LE, and XLE models front airbags are standard and front-side, and side-curtain airbags are optional.

    Gosh Toyota is so confussing!!
  • Actually, the Pilot gets great fuel economy for what it is -- a mid-sized SUV that seats up to 8, can tow up to 4500 pounds, and has Honda's Variable Torque Management 4WD system (VTM-4). There are some serious additions for '05:

    **V6 upgraded to 255 horsepower (with regular unleaded gas) vs. 240 horses in the '04, at the same fuel economy (17 City/22 Highway)
    **Redesigned frame for better IIHS (Insurance Institute for Highway Safety) ratings
    **Vehicle Stability Assist
    **Brake Assist
    **Larger fuel tank for greater range
    **Sunroof on all leather models
    **Drive-by wire throttle system
    **Tire pressure monitoring system
    **6-disc slot-loading CD changer
    **Keys integrated w/Keyless entry system
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