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Without T&L, about $17.9.
Seems pricey for what you get.
A fully loaded Focus comes out to $21,405.
Plus, the Versa comes with a lot of items you can't even get on a Focus, such as sat radio, bluetooth, and push-button ignition.
It's also physically a bigger car than the Yaris or Fit.
What do you mean by "push-button" ignition? Do you mean key-less ignition (key in your pocket) or just a push button starter?
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I would have to see them all in person, or at least review the specs, but it almost seems that the Versa is 1/2 size above the Fit/Yaris, and the Caliber is at least 1 size up. Although they do seem to have comparable pricing, but not mileage.
I did sit in the Dodge, and if the Versa gives similar space, it seems to me that those 2 can be considered "real" sized cars, not the undresized "toys" that some subcompacts seem to be (like an Aveo)
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With no options it would have been in the 19,000 dollar range. A MINI Cooper would have been 16,000 dollar range maybe less but at only 115 hp was not nearly enough for me.
It is a premium small car for sure there is no doubt but I bet it is the most fun to drive of all the sub compacts. Our wholesaler would have bought it off of me for $17,500 as it was. I doubt any other sub compacts are going to have a real world 71% Residual value after two years and almost 28,000 miles. If I hadn't kept it in the family so I could buy it back later I could have sold it for between 20,500 and 21,000.
Lets just say someone really beat me up and I sold it to them for 20,000 on the button. I also put new tires all the way around on it so figure another 500 dollars for the tires plus labor.
My expenses to drive that car for two years and just under 28,000 miles were aproximately.
4,000 dollars depreciation.
720 dollars sales tax
500 dollars property tax for two years
220 dollars for registration(I got new plates twice)
0 dollars in maitnence since MINs have pre paid maintence
500 dollars for tires
2,400 dollars 100 dollars a month insurace over 24 months
Fuel I have to really guess on this since I stopped keeping my fuel log after the first year.
Life time average fuel economy was about 29 mpg
Always put premium in it so we will say $2.50 a gallon
28,000 miles divided by 29 equals 965.5 gallons times $2.50 equals $2413.75 for fuel.
so add it up.
$10,753.75
About 38 cents a mile which seems a little higher then I thought it would be. I know my insurance throws it up a little bit as I was under 24 and male most of the time I owned the car.
I am still male by the way incase you were wondering.
Edit oops screwed up some numbers correcting.
At the Philly show they explained it as "keyless" (key in your pocket and push a button) ignition.
About 4-5 weeks until I can take a test drive here
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After 2 years and about 24,000 miles, I got $15,000 on trade for my RSX, which I bought for $19,500 + ttl. Isn't that about 75% real world residual?
Of course, cars like RSX are not really what this thread is about (although it is technically a subcompact), especially since RSX is about to go away forever.
I will tell you one thing that is "wrong" with these new subcompacts, though, and that is that they are in such high demand that no-one has any to test drive! Almost eight weeks into Fit availability, and I have yet to find a dealer that has a manual in stock that isn't pre-sold. So, I still haven't had a chance to drive one. :-(
Have sat in one a couple of times though. Have confirmed that I "fit behind myself" in the rear seat, and that the seats are very comfortable, and a bit more substantial than the ones in the Yaris.
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Same problem I've had, and it is the same way with the Scion xAs; they are all automatics.
2008 Sebring Ragtop, 2011 Hyundai Sonata.
About 4-5 weeks until I can take a test drive here
Yeah, it's pretty slick. The only thing you get to start the car is the fob; I assume there is some sort of RFID tag inside, that will make the push-button ignition work. I know the Altima's version also unlocks the door as soon as you touch the handle, but I don't know if the Versa works the same way.
There was a good article in the freep this morning on the Versa, comparing it to the other subcompacts:
Nissan Versa hatchback offers more room than competitors
One thing I didn't know is that the seats are made out of that memory foam that they use with mattress toppers, pillows, etc... my wife and I bought one earlier this year in "topper" form, and it is incredible. I imagine the Versa seats are incredibly comfy if that is indeed what they are using.
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I've no idea what planet some of the reviewers live on when they write about the Yaris. One said the interior was "handsome." This is a joke - its terribly low-rent in every way imaginable. The 1.5 liter power plant is smooth but the car is grossly underpowered even considering its light weight. I also drove a Scion 5-speed with the 1.5 liter engine and found it to feel like it had a rubber-band for an engine. Everything about the Yaris felt noticeably cheap after driving a Caliber.
Price-wise, the dealer had a 4-door auto Yaris without the power package or keyless entry, which I require and it was $14.1k. That sounds cheap, but adding the required options for most people easily takes it to $15.5k for a car that has no style or performance whatsoever- that's not a great deal.
Frankly, the more I looked at the Yaris the less I liked it compared to the Caliber - the Yaris did not have side airbags either - that would take it to $16k or more... Now we are entering the territory of the Caliber or the Versa. The salesman even agreed with me that a well-equipped Yaris would fall well short of the Cailber in terms of style and driving manners, but be almost equal in price.
I'd like to have a car that got super MPG, but that's the only thing I could see going for the Yaris. For what you get, its not really a deal in my opinion.
I'll look into the Versa, which is close to the Caliber in size/style and close to the Yaris in MPG and hopefully can be had for a reasonable price.
I've got an Elantra Hatchback. So I have a big jellybean car to zoom around in. Seems to be the best of both worlds to me.
Thing is, we are really talking about two different size classes of cars here: Caliber is not a subcompact, neither is Matrix, and in fact it appears that Versa is pushing that limit too.
However, if you load up the subcompacts, they get to a price that crosses over with the cheapest cars of the next class up. And right now, there are a couple of cars worth considering at their lowest price points (Caliber being one, Matrix/Corolla another) if you are looking at a loaded-up B-segment car as the alternative. In most cases though, fuel economy will suffer.
Versa is a bad example there: it is going to make only 33 mpg combined, which is the same as Matrix. Caliber with the CVT is even lower than both at 26/30, or 28/32 with the 1.8 that you can only get in certain trims (and with no CVT option, I believe).
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May as well get a larger, somewhat heavier Camry LE 4-cylinder, which is rated at 24/33 with the automatic. Padded (oops...soft-touch) dash standard, unlike the Caliber's rock hard plastic.
The domestics have been making 3000+ lb cars for about 20 years now which can hit 30 mpg on the highway, yet still perform better than a Caliber 2.4! So I'm just wondering if that AWD setup is sapping alot of power?
Also, the Caliber 2.4 is a new engine, right? A joint venture among Hyundai/Mitsubishi/DCX? Someone please tell me this isn't the old 2.4 from the Stratus/Sebring sedans...the one that dates back to the old K-car 2.2/2.5!
Also, why does it seem that CVT's tend to sap alot of power, yet also hurt fuel economy at the same time? I thought they were supposed to improve both? But if you look to cars like the Ford 500, the regular automatic gets slightly better economy. And I think Saturn gave up on the CVT with the Ion, because it didn't perform well, didn't do anything for economy, and was troublesome. Is the CVT just something that works better in theory than in real life, and is better suited to tractors and other lawn equipment?
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Even you Nippon make the statement that makes sub compacts a hard sell to the masses. The next step up indicates you can get a better car for the same money.
I just got back from my vacation and having spent two days of it in London I may have to reconsider my statements about sub compacts. While I did see a few smart cars I will still say the market is strongly in the Accord, Camry, Altima camp. These people are paying about 2 bucks a liter and still the Focus sized cars are the most common we see.
As for third world countries? I don't think sub compacts are strong enough to hold up to the bad roads. But I do think I discovered where all the Toyota and Nissan diesel mini vans went. And we aren't talking turbo charged diesels either.
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No, it indicates you can get a BIGGER car for the same money. It will have less features, but more passenger room. Bigger and better are not synonymous terms.
2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)
Similar idea with the Mexican Versa, albeit not to that extreme
Scion ranked Number 26 with 140 problems per 100 vehicles.
Scion xB made in Japan.
Scion xA made in Japna.
Scion tC made in Japan.
Wow! Thank you for qualifying your statement as opinion. Buying based on origin of assembly does not define quality.
Brands with the fewest manufacturing defects and malfunctions, the study showed, were BMW, Chrysler, Hyundai, Lexus, Porsche and Toyota. The fewest design/technology problems were found in vehicles made by GMC, Hyundai, Jaguar, Lexus, Nissan and Porsche.
Honda scored too low to make either category. :surprise:
Toyota, Nissan, GMC and Chrysler all manufacture vehicles in Mexico.
Hyundai, BMW, Jaguar, Porsche do NOT manufacture vehicles in Japan.
Hmmmmm.....
The Fit looks upscale and expensive? :sick: OK, compared to a Caliber it certainly has better quality of materials.
To sum it up the Honda Fit is the answer to everyone's econo-car needs everywhere. Great ride, great fuel economy, well-built inside and out. Beat out the Nissan Versa by 25 points and the Kia Rio5 came in 3rd place.
Out of their field in that comparo I would pick the Kia Rio5 or the Toyota Yaris sedan. That is for many reasons, but the main thing I like about the Yaris sedan is it's looks. Also the legendary Toyota quality and resale value and the fact that it gets 34 mpg in the city and 40 on the highway.
The reason that I would pick the Kia Rio5 are many and include brand loyalty(my last two new cars have been Kia's and they've worked out very, very well for me), price, $14,195 for a loaded Rio5 speaks volumes to me, that for a great little hatchwagon. Also the Rio5 reportedly drives like a little racecar, similar to reports from people on how they loved their late 80's Honda CRX's, great response when being pushed into turns and also great tracking from the car's steering system. A good stereo and good suspension and solid powerplant backed by an unbeatable Long-Haul Warranty. I'd get the Rio5, gentlemen, hands down.
I will be watching and seeing how people are digging their Yaris sedans and seeing how well their powertrains and electricals are holding up for the long run, yes I will. Kia has already proven to me their systems are there for the long run. It's very doubtful I will leave Kia when it comes time to make my next new car purchase. :blush:
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The 07 Fit is produced at the Suzuka factory, which has been pumping out JDM Fits since its release back in 02. I don't anticipate any bugs that have to be ironed out, whereas I'd expect with the full model change at whatever new factory the US Fits will be produced at. I'm looking at one model, not the whole brand - it doesn't affect me where S2000's are made, for example.
Yes, Scion as a brand ranked 26th. The tC, however, is another story(see the rankings of the top 3 vehicles in each catagory, in the JD Powers survey/link above).
The top 3 sporty compacts were Miata, Tiburon, then tC, for 3rd place.
For compact cars, Hyundai tied Toyota(Elantra/Corolla) and Civic was 3rd/ It was Toyota, Hyundai, Honda.
Yes, there are some big 3 brands in the survey top 3 ,too, like Grand Prix, Corvette, etc.
Oh, for iluvmysephia1; Kia Rio was tied for top subcompact, with Suzuki's Aerio
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