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I've read that the Geely's safety is no where NEAR US-spec, so that might be some time.
~alpha
It's gonna be fun to see who's gonna be brave with their cash first regarding Chinese car purchases.
I am not against trying a new product, heck, I bought a Kia Sephia in 1999 when a lot of people would just as soon jump off a tall building with an extra-long bungee cord tied to their ankles than buy a Kia, hence my interest in the new Chinese attempts...I...I mean Chinese vehicles on their way to America.
Their sedans will pert-near all fit in this thread's purchase cost confines, BTW, huh?
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Probably the most prominent one and the one that I first heard about was the Visionary Vehicles Ltd.group from Malcolm Bricklin. Read about them here:
http://www.vvcars.com/main.html
The latest announcement was that Geely Motors of China was going to beat Bricklin's Visionary Vehicles Ltd.group (Chery Chinese-made automobiles)to America by a good 6-12 months or so. Stay tuned on that one.
If you have a fortune laying around and want to start up your own Chery dealership through Bricklin you certainly can. Read about the stipulations at the link I provided there.
BTW-I don't think that Bricklin's Chery's can be called Chery's here in the States. Chevy raised hell about it and sued so Bricklin agreed to use another name. Stay tuned and you'll be seeing the stories of Chinese cars plastered all over the news here, it's really not that long before they arrive here.
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It's also funny how people, especially reviewers, are getting hung up on the center-mount IP. I appreciate they are not everyone's cup of tea, but it might be going a little far to say that "consumers and critics alike" are barking about them. Scions have been selling briskly to consumers that clearly didn't think the gauges were such a problem that they didn't want the car. I suspect the Yaris will sell decently as well, regardless of the gauge locations.
Now, will it outsell Aveo and Accent? Nope, I think not. If you are a safety gear fan, as so many are these days, both of those and the Fit also will prove cheaper to buy (and easier to find) the way you want them than the Yaris. And I agree, the Yaris S is such a waste of time - it is the only model that is not a good value proposition - too high-priced relative to other cars in the market, including the Corolla. All it does is add the convenience package from the base model, plus the cosmetic skirts and other junk. For about $1500 extra, I will skip that, thank you very much.
I do love the looks of the 3-door, though. It may yet tempt me to a purchase. But not the sedan.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Does anyone know if Ford or Chrysler is ever going to have a small car.......
Neither the Barcelona Red or Nautical Blue base 5-speed Yaris sedan selling for $14,589 are selling at my local dealer. All the better for me while I lollygag around wondering when to pounce. I always threaten to go pounce on my next stretch of days off-one day I may just go do it if they remain there looking like little pups in a petstore window like that. I do prefer the red one-Phil Meador Jeep-Subaru-Toyota keeps the red one under the overhang of their showroom building, still outdoors but covered from the elements. I would agree the sedan's not for everybody but I like it and think it would be a solid rig for years and years and years.
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We make traffic less of a problem, because 1 bus doesn't take up the room of 35 Yaris', let alone SUVs. Commuters pay $120 a month to ride the bus. What car can you own, with fuel, insurance and upkeep for 2x that price?
Before I was a bus driver, we were a 2 car family. Now we are a 1 car family. I am partners in a small business that owns a car, so technically we are a 1.5 car family.
I believe in public transit. I know it works.
Any way cars prospects for my mom. Please.
In this low-end class the Accent and Rio have a smooth ride for their size but don't have cruise available. The Yaris would be worth a look but once it is optioned well, it gets very clost to the Corolla's price, and the Corolla has a higher highway mpg rating and has a smoother ride. The Civic LX is pricey but would also be a good bet for a nice-riding, fuel-efficient, reliable car.
Also, at those miles she is someone who could actually come out financially ahead with a slightly-used hybrid like the Prius or Civic hybrid. Might be tough to find one of those now, however.
We also operate a fleet of school buses. Since I was hired in 2002, our commuter business has doubled. I always like to think this is just the beginning of a comeback.
Thanks to everyone so far for the help.
Oh wait... there will be less than 40,000 of them imported this year and they are going for MSRP or more. It isn't even available for purchase at some Honda dealerships--like the one closest to me. That could be a problem. And the Fit doesn't have a height-adjustable driver's seat, so it doesn't fit many of us (at least one Fit buyer has already sold his, it was so uncomfortable). I guess lots of unlucky people will need to look elsewhere if they want a low-end car.
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market adjustment should be ignored. There
are too many good cars out there to fall
for that BS.Of course there are always
stupid people who will fall for it.
I like some Hyundais and Kias and think that in general they are excellent values and increasingly are very good cars. One thing they have figured out how to do, which apparently Honda has not, is how to build a small car with an exceptionally comfortable driving position.
Also, before you accuse someone of lying you should do some research:
spotbearsd, "Honda Fit - seat adjustment issues" #40, 25 Apr 2006 10:41 pm
However, I seriously doubt that anyone has already "sold" there fit because it was uncomfortable. That, I find HARD to believe.
When you "seriously doubt" and find "HARD to believe" someone when they have made a statement of fact, you are basically saying they are lying. A more friendly way of expressing your shock over such behavior might be, "Wow, I am really surprised someone would do that!"
And by saying the story about getting rid of the Fit for a Murano sounds "fake", you are saying that you think the poster who told us about that experience is lying too.
Which Korean vehicles in this class have you driven? The 2006 Rio? 2006 Rio5? 2006 Accent? Aveo? I don't think the Aveo is competitive anymore in this class, but if you haven't driven the latest models from Korea you might want to do that, as you might be pleasantly surprised if you do it with an open mind.
You see, I am a Honda fan also and loved the two Civics I owned. But I am not stuck on any one brand, or country. Let the best car for my needs win (my money).
I am looking for a compact sedan. Right now, I am comparing the accent and corolla. Also, interested in mazda 3 and focus. Anyone bought any of these cars around here recently. If so, from what dealership? Any good dealerships? Any horror stories?
Any advice would be much appreciated!
I own a Mazda 3 so I'm obviously partial. For you it'll all come down to whether or not you want a car that's GREAT on gas or a car with a hint of European styling/comfort.
Corolla's are unbelievable on gas. Simple styling that suits pretty much anyone and everyone, but nothing too unique. Excellent resale value and a well known, reliable engine.
The Mazda3 is not as good on gas (gets around 5 mpg less than Corolla), but here's how it makes up for it. European styling (same C1 platform as some Volvos) for both the exterior and interior (sit in the Mazda3 and you'll forget you're in an econobox). Larger engine than Corolla (good for climbing hills). Excellent suspension and handling. *Drumroll* here's what Money magazine said..."The 3 posted strong reliability and owner feedback in its rookie year, which bodes well for resale values. Runner-up: Toyota Corolla"
Also I've observed resale on the Mazda3 holding very well. I think a lot of that is there aren't many used Mazda3's to be had, plus there have never been big incentives on the Mazda3.
If someone likes the Corolla, IMO they should also check out the Elantra GLS and Spectra. Both ride similarly to the Corolla (the Elantra sedan a little softer) but have superior back seat room and driving position (especially the Elantra). Plus a lot less money and the long warranty.
Around here, if you're looking for a Corolla, you will most likely get the best price from IRA or Boch. They are very competitive with each other and are extremely willing to deal on these.....both can get you in a new Corolla CE for under $11K if you can drive a manual. If not, $13-14K is not out of the question.
What I don't understand with your situation, Ron, is why your local Toyota dealers won't spend a few sparable pennies and do some legwork for you and track one of these babies down for you. I find it lazy and disrespectful that they won't. :mad:
Let me guess, it doesn't make them enough cash to spend the time doing this work for you. Nonsense!
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We can order your Yaris with the power package whenever your ready.The sooner the better. I 'll need a $1,000.00 deposit earnest money down to make the order.Will you be financing?, if so I need a credit statement as well.Other that we're good to go.The appraisal will be redone at the time of the trade.Subject to miles and condition as you may already know.
And I the dealership does not wish to engage in any clauses stating if they can't get it in a reasonable time frame they will refund my deposit, My thought is clearly, I want many dealerships to know what I want, whoever can provide me a VIN # and estaimated delivery date to their dealership, then I will engage in the deposit, do you guys think Im out of line with this? if one dealer couldn't come through, what makes this guy above thing he can do it, he wants money so that if its takes 4 months, they got me stuck with them. Thats what I personally think is going on. So my thought every 2 weeks on allocation day, I will day 100 local dealership within 5 hour drive of me, and make my request clear. And restate that I am still in the market for this vehicle, lay out the options, and go from there, when I hear one has it, then Ill grab it. Until then I'm not a legal person and would not feel comfortable setting a contract with a dealership to set terms, eaiser to let the dealers come to me. And there are dealershpis that wont take a deposit from me until I test drive the car but they work on the honor system, if they can get the car I have first dibs on it, rear but their are dealers like that and Im willing to do everything I can do dealer with dealers like that!
They are worth the effort!
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