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First, the comparable vehicles most definitely are not the Envoy XL, Sequioa, or Yukon. Rather, they are the MDX (on the low end), X5, and ML. Volvo is marketing this as a luxury vehicle. Second, the price, at least on the initial vehicles, is going to be rather steep. The base model will start out in the middle-upper thirties (just above the MDX price point), but the price will quickly increase with options such as the T6 engine, nav system, entertainment system, night vision, etc. I have been told to expect selling prices between $45-$50k. Third, Volvos are still a bit of a cult vehicle. If you log onto vvspy or swedespeed, there is plenty of discussion about the XC90. Finally, there are just so many great vehicles similar to the XC90 already in the marketplace or coming out (Volvo is way late to the SUV party) that the XC90 is lost in the shuffle.
By the way, if you think that you want one of the first XC90s, you'd better act quickly. Volvo wants the first 6,000 pre-sold (i.e., deposits taken) by May, and those vehicles won't arrive on our shores until October, at the earliest. For anyone who doesn't have a deposit down, I think you can expect an MDX-like wait if you want to order one next Fall.
I think your Terps are the odds-on favorites. That game with Kansas is going to be a classic.
Unfortunately, unlike other expensive-to-maintain European luxury brands, Volvo does not offer free scheduled maintenance. They should follow in the footsteps of Mercedes-Benz, BMW, and Audi and offer free scheduled maintenance.
The Japanese makes don't offer free scheduled maintenance, though arguably their maintenance costs are lower, at least in the U.S. (however, I hear some Lexus dealers are charging a pretty penny).
NO this SUV is not going to push their sells that MUCH.
From what i understand not much people is interested in the car, mainly for the price.
However, from the last few messages it mentioned reliability problem, from what i understand my friends that drive Volvo have no probelm with their cars, so reliability should not be a factor.
Personally i would much rather get a MDX, X5, M and the aviator. All are good in safety, too!
A person I know plans to buy it through this program for $25,000 (base model) vs. $35,000 here. I need to talk to her and find out more info. Definitely worth checking into anyway.
http://new.volvocars.com/overseas/
Still a good deal if you're going to buy one anyway, but not enough to clinch the deal otherwise.
I also think that with European delivery there could be some other costs that come into play. Usually it works out well if you already have a vacation or business trip planned there.
Plus some folks find the experience of touring the factory and driving their vehicle in Europe a thrill. This is most especially true of some of the German programs, where some tours are excellent and you drive on the autobahn.
Grand High Poobah
The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
You also have the use of the car while overseas, so that's a free rental. Currently they're offering 2 free plane tickets as well.
The web site has an 800 number and details.
I have heard from two sources that the pricing will be released in late June. Don't be surprised to see a fully maxed version for close to $50k (3seat, 265hp turbo, nav. system, night vision, rear dvd.) I hoped it would be under $45k. The dealer said I should compare it the BMW X5.
Rob from Sterling, Va
Anyone see the XC on display at the Volvo Great Race display in Baltimore harborplace?
Grand High Poobah
The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
A fully loaded (with nav) MDX is still under $40k at MSRP, which one can get with a wait. Though some folks add accessories.
An ML320, fully-loaded, can be bought for about $41k-$43k (discounts are easy). For $50k you can get a loaded ML500 with a very strong V8.
Also, MB includes 4 years of "scheduled maintenance" (subject to limitations), and BMW 3 years. Volvo service and parts is about as expensive as MB/BMW service, if not more so, but Volvo doesn't include scheduled maintenance with its vehicles. So they can be expensive, indeed.
Still love the look of the vehicle.
For comparsion purposes, the built-in profit on a loaded XC70 Wagon is a whopping 15.5%-$5,850 (8-11% is common less trendy cars.) The TMV on the XC70 includes 10.5%-$3,941 profit. Even if you buy it in Europe, not including other expenses beyond R/T airfare and one night in Sweden, the profit is 6.3%-$2,370.
I guess this must be the world of the MB,BMW and other premium Euro cars.
Anyone ever get a near invoice deal on a Volvo?
Rob D, counting pennies in Sterling, Va
Not necessarily! You can get an ML320 in many parts of the country for $500 above invoice, before MB applies late-model year incentives (in which case you can go below). ML500's aren't discounted as strongly, but are definitely being discounted. The vehicle is now in its 5th model year so the newness factor has worn off and the supply is relatively good.
And the dealer profit on the ML is nowhere near that of Volvo or Lexus. I believe it's less than 10%.
Newer vehicles in high demand tend to command prices close to MSRP. Witness the X5 and MDX (certainly not a European vehicle).
As I mentioned earlier, the German luxury marques at least include some form of scheduled maintenance for free (with some limitations). That helps offset their typically higher maintenance costs.
1. Does the keyless entry remote integrate into the key like those BMW and Lexus key?
2. Does Volvo offer memory seat, mirror, temperature and radio setting?
3. Is it true that it is hard to work on volvo engine and general mechanics do not like to work on them?
Any feedback will be greatly appreciate.
Thanks a mil.
No, it's not a moon roof, although it looks like one in the pictures. As a matter of fact, it's a (plastic) panel covering the phone and GPS antennas. On light-colored vehicles, it does look a little bit strange IMHO.
Kind regards,
Birger
1. When will the pricing for XC90 be out?
2. Is the silver crossbar, silver step bar, front& rear silver skid plate and side body cladding going to be option? approximately how much?
3. How is the weather in Europe in March? I am planning on the oversea delivery in March 2003.
Thanks again
Luong
The vehicle was a black 7-seater with 18" wheels. It was absolutely stunning. There is no question that this is an SUV and not a wagon. The pictures that I had seen on the web don't give the proper sense of scale.
* Drop Dead Gorgeous
* Short front and rear overhangs
* Available in 5 or 7 seat configurations
Exterior XC90 ML X5 MDX RX300
Length (in.) 189.0 182.6 183.7 188.5 180.1
Width (in.) 74.4 72.4 73.7 77.0 71.5
Height (in.) 68.5 71.7 67.5 68.7 65.7
Wheelbase(in.)112.5 111.0 111.0 106.3 103.1
Towing(max) 5000 5000 5000 4500 3500
Car Based Technology - The chassis in the XC90 is designed to give the vehicle the same ride and roadholding as a premium european passenger car.
New and Recalibrated Engines
- 5 Cylinder 2.5 Liter Turbo -- 208 HP and 236 ft. lbs of torque
- 6 Cylinder 2.9 Liter Twin Turbo -- 268 Hp and 280 ft. lbs of torque
Other Information
* Interior had a tasteful amount of wood
* Full Flat Cargo Floor (including front passenger seat)
* Each seat in 2nd Row (3 seats) moves forward and backward independent of one another
* 3rd Row seat accessible from both sides of 2nd Row
* Sliding Center Seat in 2nd Row moves forward towards rear of front center console to keep small children in close contact with front seat passengers
* 70/30 split tailgate provides for easy opening, tailgating and roof loading
* 8.6" of Ground Clearance
As you would expect from Volvo, the safety systems were overwhelming. Special attention was paid to addressing the issue of rollover.
* Roll Stability Control - This is apparently an industry first that senses pending rollover by calculating speed and angle. If vehicle is in imminent danger, the system automatically modulates engine and braking functions to induce corrective actions
* Inflatable Curtains in all 3 Rows -- no one else has this
* Parts of the roof reinforced with Boron Steel - Boron Steel is 4 to 5 times stronger than normal steel
* Seat Belt Pretensioners in all seats to hold passengers securely in place in the event of an accident -- no one has this feature in all seating positions
* 3rd Row Seat Safety - designed to withstand a high speed rear end impact. Seats are located over the rear axle with sufficient distance from back of seat to rear of vehicle.
* Low Center of Gravity - Only 3.5" higher than that of V70XC Cross Country while providing a seating position that is 6.5" higher
* Compatibility with other Vehicles and Pedestrians - New front structure to protect passengers in other vehicles in the event of an
accident. Prevents XC90 from "riding up" over the front of a smaller vehicle.
I believe that there is strong early demand for this vehicle based on what I was told as well as what was being said by some of the other prospective customers that were looking at the vehicle. There is no doubt that this is a winner.
No word on final pricing. The only information that was being given out was that the press had been told that a well equipped XC90 is expected to be under $40,000. I'm sold, obviously this will vary based on engine and seating combination.
I have kinda given up and started looking at totally loaded Yukon SLTs. Negoiate a $44k sticker down $37k including $2k rebate.
Bob
One way to project the cost of a turbo-5 is to look at how much the XC90 wagons cost. Loaded up, they MSRP for around $40k. So I find it doubtful that a well-equipped one will be found for under $40k. We'll see.
Unfortunately, for the price, the ML and the X5 include some degree of regular scheduled maintenance (X5 for three years). The Volvo won't, and that maintenance won't be cheap.
Keep in mind, both ML and X5 are made in US. Tariff for import SUVs(trucks) is 25% compared to about 5% for import cars. When compare to the cost to ML, X5 or even XC70, you will have to figure $7-8k more tariff that goes to Uncle Sam.
Ever wondered why Land Cruiser is ridiculously more expensive than Sequoia. Or why MB and BMW produce ML and X5 in the states and put ruined their quality reputation in the Union workers' hands? Or why people who disdain Cadilac would even consider a GMC Yukon?
If someone is worried about pricing for XC90, he is better off buying American (ML, X5, Sequoia) or North American(MDX).
Volvo XC90: 5000 lbs
Mercedes ML: 5000 lbs
BMW X5: 5000 lbs
Acura MDX: 4500 lbs
Lexus RX300: 3500 lbs
The information comes from the various manufacturers web sites. I assume that several factors come into play ... engine, transmission, frame strength, etc.. It does not surprise me that the Volvo, BMW and Mercedes have the highest numbers. The Volvo and BMW are pulled off luxury car platforms. The Mercedes is off a truck platform. The Acura comes from a Honda Odyssey Minivan platform which comes from an Accord. The Lexus comes off a Camry platform. It stands to reason that the Acura and Lexus would have lower numbers.
Grand High Poobah
The Fraternal Order of Procrastinators
He indicated: 50 cars are reserved, all have the engine upgrade and 3rd row seats. I'd add I bet they have all the other options as well. They sell for around a 10% discount, and 2 free round-trip tickets to Sweden (I thought it was Germany so I'd double check) and free shipping of car back to your local dealer. Over 1/2 are already reserved.
Interesting deal if you plan to buy the vehicle and would like a trip to Europe.
Looking forward to it's arrival.
Sorry about the long delay in answering you - I don't check into this section of Townhall that often.
Thanks for the compliments, but I'm far from being an XC90 expert. I was quite interested in it at the beginning of the year, and even had the opportunity to see it "live" (and sit in it). However, because pricing and rebate conditions were quite vague, I didn't bite then - and have since decided to keep (and upgrade) my current SUV, a Mercedes ML 270 CDI, for quite some time more. The local Volvo dealer is my neighbor, so this of course bugs him a little ;-)
I have no clue to the US pricing - check out one of the Volvo sites like www.swedespeed.com for more information on that.
As far as regards the silver crossbar, silver step bar, front& rear silver skid plate and side body cladding - I think it's among the options. Again, prices may be very different on your side of the ocean.
The weather in Europe in March? Well, it's a good time to visit Sweden if you want to get some practice in driving in severe winter conditions! But if it's long sunny days you're looking after, it's four months early.
I liked - and still like - the looks and technical solutions of the XC90, and I would prefer it over many another crossover vehicle/SUV. Rear seat room, however, seemed less generous than in my Mercedes.
Good luck with your purchase!
Kind regards,
Birger
Now we know how they got that 3rd seat in.
This info. supposedly from the production team .
Steve
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