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Jeep Liberty Diesel

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  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    Last I read they were saying Sept. of 2003 which would make it a 2004 model. They're on the streets being tested here plus have been going to Europe in this configuration for quite awhile. Shouldn't be any snags with putting them on the streets here.

    I imagine the specs/capacities will be close to the Liberty that they sell in Europe with the 2.8L CRD. The only thing that seems surprising to me is the towing capacity. They rate it at 3500kg which is about 7700#. I can't imagine them specing it to tow that much weight here just because of the chassis size. I would guess they'll limit it to 5,000# just like the V6 but it would likely pull the weight much better than the V6. It has 266lb-ft of torque at 1800rpms which is vastly better than the 3.7L. Top speed 108mph (i'm guessing governed) and 0-60 in 12.6 seconds with the automatic. Anyone that knows diesel can tell you that 0-60 time doesn't mean beans unless you just happen to be dragging from 0-60. At most real-world speeds I'd expect the diesel to feel quicker than the V6, particularly in hilly areas.

    Ecomomy in Europe is around 27mpg combined cycle which are typically high compared to US city/hwy averages. My guess is it will average 25mpg with a 21mpg city and 30mpg highway.
  • kyjeepsterkyjeepster Posts: 11
    7700 lbs towing capacity. Not while I am driving. It is bad enough to have a 3000# 28' pontoon behind a Cherokee.

    I am looking forward to the diesel Liberty and this will probably be the factor to move from my 1992 Cherokee Laredo to the Liberty. I love everthing about the Cherokee but the 16 mpg gas mileage. My 4 banger Wrangler does better with closer to 20 mpg (with stock gears, 3" lift, 32" tires, dead wait of offroad armor and winch) but it is too small for the family or cargo carrying. I just wonder if the aftermarket will be ready for the Liberty with propane injection and NOX for the 2.8L TD.

    2.8L. Scary. That was the worst gasoline engine used in a Jeep.
  • oceantoadoceantoad Posts: 186
    Any new articles out there on the diesel?

    At this stage not knowing much about the diesel Liberty, I intend to buy one in the second year of production. So far it sounds like it will fit the bill for me. Towing, mileage, carrying the dogs, I think it is what I need.

    Will keep my Wrangler, but sure wish I got the 20mpg that KYJEEPSTER gets. I get 15mpg on a really good day. I got 11mpg on a 240 mile trip driving into the wind.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    I doubt they'll be any real snags considering the liberty has been out for awhile, and this same vehicle has been sold in Europe already. It's not really a new vehicle, just never sold here. The only problem I see is with dealers servicing and it's doubtful that will get better over just one year. VW has been selling the TDI here since '97 and most dealers are lacking in knowledge. Although most are generally lacking regardless of diesel vs gas. I would think hooking-up with a good Jeep shop that has competant mechanics would be my main concern. A diesel isn't that difficult to work on, but some things are different and might confuse the average dealer jockey.
  • jimlockeyjimlockey Posts: 265
    According to Chrysler the Jeep Liberty Diesel will be a 2005, and will not be out until after Jeep has stoped making the 2004 Libertys. D/C, in my opinion, is crazy to wait until 2005. They could get the jump on everyone else and have a SUV of size to be a family vehicle that gets very good mileage. Just think, they would have a SUV that would average what a Honda Accord gets now. Europe is begining to work on exhausts to trap the particales coming from the diesels. After the oil companys remove 85% of the sulfur from our fuels here we will begin to have vehicles almost as good as the Europeans.
  • Even at 30% increase in fuel milage, I doubt it will offset the added cost. I would be very careful about buying something no chrysler mechanic has ever seen before. It may take a few years before they are comfortable working on them.I would hate to be the guy who's car they trained on. I'm in the appliance repair business and we see it all the time. Trying to figure out a new product which even the factory support people are not familiar with causes endless head aches for everybody. Other than that, I think its a great idea.
  • Not everybody looks at the added cost and bases their purchase solely on that. There are other factors here... lot's of torque, possibly a longer lasting engine, possibly the ability to use biodiesel. If the price of fuel shoots up then won't you be glad you have 30% more mpg?
    Diesel technology isn't exactly rocket science... the technicians will have manuals to refer to.
    The cost of having a diesel or a hybrid might not always offset the added cost, at least not right away, but some people want to start a revolution and maybe do the right thing for the environment.
    If nobody gives it a chance, then the auto manufacturers will use it as an excuse to drop it and then we will be perpetually stuck with old technology gas guzzlers.
    Kudos to companies like Toyota for introducing the Prius at a loss just to get the idea rolling. Once these vehicles become mainstream, the production costs will lower and they will become profitable.
    Unfortunately most companies don't see it that way and will end up jumping on the bandwagon later on when they finally realize they should get with it.
  • Unless DaimlerChrysler gets with the program on their Jeep Liberty Turbo Diesel, I will have to go with the new VW Touareg V10 Turbo Diesel next year. I don't get it...the Liberty (Cherokee for the rest of the world) has been on the market for a while now and all DaimlerChrysler has to say to me is..."The Jeeep Liberty is still a "concept" vehicle here in the US". How can it be a "concept" vehicle here if it's sold everywhere else?
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    I don't know if that Toureg TDI is a sure bet next year either. I've been hearing gumblings about that, along with some serious teething issues with the gasser Touregs already on the streets. I love VW/Audi but even I avoid new models for a couple years.
  • DC has told thier dealer body that as soon as the last 2004 Liberty rolls off the assembly line next June, the diesel Liberty with the freshened look will start to ship to dealers.

    What DC is setting in place with this new diesel is a dealer body that can repair it, parts stockpiles in thier distribution centers, repair manuals in US english, contracts with suppliers for more engine blocks and other production parts, an allocation system to put them where they will be the most wanted, emissions systems that will allow the Liberty to meet the tough NE and CA emissions standards and so much more.

    Distributing something new take more time than a year or so, that is why they have postponed unitil the 2005 model year.
  • VSQRVSQR Posts: 5
    Who's making the engine?
    I am all set to order a 2004 and asked my dealer
    he is as confused as everyone else. There also apparently other issue in the 04 configurator pertaining to the Limited. Anyone else seeing any issues?
  • Any idea on what the US base price for the Liberty Turbo Diesel will be?
  • VSQRVSQR Posts: 5
    Email from my dealer does say that they will be making a limited number this model year, but had no idea when they would hit the show room floors or the price. Stay tuned.
  • I own a dealership and Chrysler told me June of next year at the earliest.
  • VSQRVSQR Posts: 5
    WOW thanks for the update. Think I'll move forward with a gas guzzler.

    Have you any ideas on the Borla exhausted mentioned in other postings about improving the
    mileage?
  • I love it. I installed it on my wife's Liberty. I sell them on ebay in case you want one.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,080
    The answer is easier than you might imagine...

    The published schedule for avaliability of the required VeryLowSulpherDiesel fuel in the USA is 2005. All of the 3rd generation super-high-injection-pressure diesels will quickly clog up if the dirty USA diesel fuel is run thru them.

    Europe has been enjoying at least 2 generations ahead of USA with wonderful diesel engines due to the USA lagging behind in clean fuel. Anyone that owns a VW TDI can attest that the dirty fuel tends to 'clog up' the intake, exhaust, turbocharger...etc.

    I still like my 53MPG with enough torque to pass on the highway with ease.
  • bpeeblesbpeebles Posts: 4,080
    DaimlerChrysler diesel meets future regulations

    http://www.autonews.com/news.cms?newsId=6078

    NOTE:
    "The test was conducted using low-sulfur European diesel fuel"
    ALSO;
    "Chrysler will build as many units of the diesel Liberty as the market demands. "
  • I am still waiting on the diesel Libby. My 1992 XJ Laredo just had to have a major re-conditioning to keep it up to my standards of road worthyness (new suspension, new brakes, minor upgrades under the hood), but that should keep it running strong (for about 2 years) until the diesel is available in the US. The last time I discussed this with the local stealership, they informed me that it would be another year before the Libby would be available, but I suspect that the vehicle will not be released until mid MY2005 because of the cleaner burning diesel not available in the US yet.

    We have to remember that these diesel KJ Cherokees are currently being built in Toledo for export. So we are not waiting on DC to work out kinks in the vehicle or production. I think we are waiting for the oil companies to catch up with the technology.
  • sebring95sebring95 Posts: 3,225
    I think they're more waiting on the dealerships to be able to handle the repairs/maintenance. Without a good network of trained shops with the proper parts and tools, this will flop with the likes of the old GM debacle. VW really doesn't have the proper network of qualified repair people to work on TDI's, but they get away with it for the most part just because they're VW. Many VW TDI owners are enthusiasts or do their own mechanic work so it's not an issue. I don't see joe-blow SUV buyer being in the same crowd, although I'm sure many diesel enthusiasts will flock to this vehicle. The public mainstream is what they have to worry about with this vehicle.

    Jeep sells in such quantities, that this HAS to be a flawless rollout. I have no worries about the vehicle being sound, but if the dealerships can't provide decent service and advice it will seem as if the vehicles are the problem.

    I'm not aware of anything on these vehicles that low-sulphur fuel will effect. Low-sulphur is needed for advanced emissions controls, but I haven't heard if these motors will be built with anything like that initially or not.
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