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Not a big deal.
The headroom spec on any of the cars above means nothing to a lot of people, like me.
~alpha
my inseam isn't quite as long as yours, but i know i have trouble finding a comfortable fit in a sport car.
My family had an '88 Celica that I couldn't park without sitting on top of something... I was too low in it. I get the bathtub effect in more cars than taller people do, though high adjustable seats obviously help. None of my family's cars have had those though.
Lose some now but gain some later. The other car manufacturers are now following suit in this ingenious marketing strategy.
1davao
Avensis may be sport tuned European version of Camry.
1davao
2001 BMW 330ci/E46, 2008 BMW 335i conv/E93
1. I can't find where on the Scion site you can build the tC, can someone give me a link?
2. About the no haggle, does that mean you can't test drive before you buy your vehicle or not?
Thanks in advance
I do not know if a "Build Your Own" function is available on the Scion website just yet, as base pricing has been announced, but Im not sure all the features pricing has been released. Its mostly post production anyway, meaning factory options are really just ordered by the dealer and installed there.
No haggle simply means the price you see on the window is the price you get, unless there are other marketing programs going on... such as a college grad rebate, special financing terms, leasing terms and the like. But the cost of the vehicle is based on MSRP.
Dont ever let any dealer tell you that you cant test drive because its no-haggle. Drive all you want, and if they dont want to let you.. .go elsewhere.
Hope this helps a little.
~alpha
A Mazda6 starts with 38.7 inches then drops to only 38.0 with a moonroof. My guess is the problem is the others (including the tC) have the tilt feature which requires the moonroof to eat into headroom more than the non-tilting moonroof in the Mazda6. It has nothing to do with being a "low slung sporty coupe". The tC probably has respectable amount of headroom without the sunroof.
I can't fit in the Matrix because of the leg room. Nothing i can do about it so I don't have one. It's that simple.
All Civic EX's have a sunroof. So they all have "pathetic" roof clearance. Seems they are doing fine this year. It's a small two door kinda like the Tc and cars like this are expected to have a sunroof. Those that don't want them are the minority. Since they are making them all one spec to keep costs down, looks like the minority is SOL in this case.
~alpha
You guys are saying it can have one? (or did I hear wrong?) Although I didn't see one on the specs/pictures.
That's my major reason for not considering it, if it had one/optional: back on the long list it goes
I am also vertically challenged (5'4) and have never considered headroom: I just get in and if I fit yay! Although I am also 16 so ;D
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Kinda steep. Supposedly, it should be out in the scion site in a few days.
1davao
~alpha
2005 MY ACCESSORY FINAL PRICING - tC Accessories
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION Port Installed
MSRP
Alloy Wheels EMX Super 7 18" (per wheel) TBD
Ashtray Ashtray N/A
Retainer Kit (required for ashtray Installation)
Audio AM/FM/CD Deck by Pioneer STD
AM/FM/6-Disc by Pioneer $395.00
Satellite Tuner/Antenna by Pioneer $695.00
VSE Subwoofer by Bazooka Mobile Audio $449.00
Auto Dimming Mirror Homelink and color illumination $310.00
Billet Oil Cap and Battery Tie Down by AEM Battery Tie Down - Polished Finish $120.00
Oil Cap - Polished Finish
Battery Tie Down - Gray Finish $120.00
Oil Cap - Gray Finish
B-Pillar Applique' by Superior Dash Carbon Fiber $75.00
Car Cover $219.00
Carbon Fiber Engine Cover Carbon Fiber $229.00
Cargo Liner $104.00
Cargo Tote by Nifty Products Black Tote $40.00
Cargo Net Pocket Cargo Net $49.00
Cold Air Induction System by AEM TBD
Door Sill $115.00
Exhaust System Polished Stainless Steel $525.00
Floor Mats/Cargo - Carpet Black 4-PC Hybrid AW/Carpet $145.00
PPO= 5pc kit Black Cargo Mat
Fog Lights TBD
Front End Mask Launch - TBD TBD
Front Strut Tie Bar by Hotchkis Tuning $225.00
Ground Effects Flint 1E0 $995.00
Black sand 209 $995.00
Blk cherry 3P2 $995.00
Indigo 8P4 $995.00
White 040 $995.00
Silver 1E7 $995.00
Azure 8Q6 $995.00
LED Under Dash and Cup Holder Illumination LED Interior Light Kit - Blue $250.00
LED Interior Light Kit - Amber $250.00
Mud Guard $88.00
Premium License Plate Frame Gold N/A
Chrome
Black Pearl
Rear Bumper Applique Clear $58.00
Rear Spoiler -Lip Super White (040) $385.00
Silver Streak Mica (1E7) $385.00
Black Sand Pearl (209) $385.00
Flint Mica (1E0) $385.00
Black Cherry Pearl (3P2) $385.00
Indigo Ink Pearl (8P4) $385.00
Azure Pearl (8Q6) $385.00
Rear Spoiler - Pedestal Launch - TBD TBD
LED Rear Tail Lights by TYC Launch - TBD TBD
Security $469.00
Shift Knobs by OBX Racing Sports Speed Star Shift Knob $59.00
Speed Star Mesh Shift Knob $59.00
Classic (Leather) Shift Knob $59.00
Sport Pedals by OBX Racing Sports Pedals-Stainless Steel AT $79.00
Pedals-Stainless Steel MT $79.00
Steering Wheel - Sport Gray N/A
Wheel Locks $59.00
fog lights are $480...
1davao
-juice
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That would really differentiate the scion genre from the non scion generation. I would even entertain a
plastic changeable hood or trunk with different colors, just like a watch with different color bracelets to show what mood you are in.
1davao
All the prices are standard across the board so theoretically one dealer can not get you a better deal than another.
After you "build" the car it arrives 2-5 days later at the dealer and you just go pick it up. I do not believe they charge you labor on the accessories. It would be like charging you labor on a moonroof or "Sports package" on a honda or mazda. it's already on the car at the lot. The concept is to save inventory so there aren't hundreds of unwanted, fully loaded scions somewhere or hundreds of stripped models at another dealer.
we'll see if the system works or not nationally. any california folks bought a scion xA or xB and can confirm the "labor" question.
1davao: I think Smart may have done that in Europe already, didn't they?
-juice
I believe I read an article sometime back that Toyota may simply drop a car entirely and bring a completely new car to replace the old car after 4-5 years. Instead of offering an updated Scion xA, they'll simply drop it and offer a new car that Japan has. They have many to choose from so again it's anyones guess. Of course if a Scion proves to be popular they will keep it around for awhile.
On another note, the diesel Avensis has/is being tested by the EPA. I'm sure this is in anticipation of low sulfur fuel being offered in 2006, and with the popularity of fuel-sipping hybrids and rising gas prices, a juggernaut like Toyota would be stupid to sit on their hands and not offer a diesel in a compact/midsize car. With the exception of VW this is untapped and some automakers are chomping at the bit to try and cash in. Ford has already expressed an interest in offering a diesel Focus.
Could the Avensis hurt Camry sales? Maybe so, but the diesel Avensis is no powerhouse. 0-60 is about 11 seconds, no better than a Prius. On the other hand you get (some of this is debateable), more bang for your buck (diesel is cheaper than a hybrid engine, but not as cheap as a regular gas engine I think), good fuel mileage (35mpg in the city with a 3300+ pound Avensis with solid low-end torque), and good long-term durability. The engine is only 115hp and horsepower sells a lot of cars so some people will simply buy the Camry. I doubt it would be made a Scion if it was offered but you never know.
Also if Toyota decides to drop the Echo this opens a slot for a low-end sedan which Scion could pick up. Many possibilities for the future.
Also the fuel mileage estimates were 22/29 for the manual. This car in stock form is a good bargain if it's what you're looking for, but beyond that this car will simply sell on the badge. Slap a "lesser" brand's badge on it and most tC buyers wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
My celica with less options had an MSRP of $19,600 and the Tc is more expensive looking with a better sound system and 17 inch wheels.
You have to love the free market and competition. The consumer wins big time with this new Tc. Cant wait to see one in person.
And they better scrape together a decent amount of cars because a bunch of 35-50 year olds will be standing in line wanting one and the young kids will be waiting an eternity for one or never get one at all. This isn't a Lamborghini and they aren't going to put posters of the tC on their wall. They'll just move on to something else. Toyota wants the kids IN the car and want them to own one so they'll come back to Toyota for their next car. (brand loyalty)
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Hehe, so is it a bad thing if I have a tC poster on my wall?
I heard that the tC will be hard to get a hold of till August. Then the factories should be in full swing. By the second year they have plans to produce almost as many tCs as Honda does Civics. I looked, but I dont remember where I read this. Still, Toyota should be producing enough tCs to keep up with a reasonable amount of demand.
fitzmall.com sells Celicas at no-haggle prices and those prices are at about $2k less than MSRP right now. Just factor that in, is all I'm saying.
I do think all the Scions represent a good value and that the low fixed MSRP strategy will pay off, though. Residuals will be strong and they'll come around to buy another one in 4-5 years, watch.
-juice