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what dealer was that? Is this a NEW or USED car?
Kia of Mt. Olive. I got the last 2008 Sedona. The 2010s should be arriving shortly, so I'd think there may be incentives for the 2009s soon.
Thank you'
The salesman said the price would be around 22K +TTL, but may be able to get a good deal as they are trying to make a record by tomorrow.
Would really appreciate any help!
Should I wait for incentives on 2009 model?
Appreciate any feedbacks from people in similar situation.
Still want to drive a Sienna and Sedona again. I like the looks of the Sienna better but the price and package of the Sedona is tough to pass up. $2,000 cash back makes it harder and I just heard from a local dealer they are selling at just above invoice.
So what do all you experts think? Honda is superior so pay more now to last longer (I take care of my cars and expect them to last; current car is 14 years old)? Save thousands and get the Kia now? Or even wait for hopefully better rebates from all manufacturers and try again during December when salesman are more desperate?
Is it true that shopping at the end of the year (from mid-Dec. on) is better in terms of less customers and better ability to get price breaks from salesmen needing to hit end of month and end of year quotas?
And even though I'm dealing online with the dealers' internet staff, when I've gone into the dealers they still pass me to a salesman. So what's the point of doing all the advance legwork (other then they know that we know what's going on) if I'm still gonna get treated as if I walked in off the street?
If I want to do a trade-in there to save time, should I wait until a firm price has been set for the new car? What if they balk at that point? I can't sign something first if it says no trade-in and then do a trade in, but can't they change their mind on price after I mention a trade?
When do I mention the holdback (I don't want it but I want them to know that I'm aware of it) and the current $1,250 factory rebate?
What's the deal with the KBB numbers they pull up to justify their trade in rate? Is that what dealers are suggesting to pay and not what dealers are actually paying?
As a follow up to my initial post, the dealer is now asking if I would buy the car for $500 back of invoice? I am unfamiliar with this expression. Is it the same as $500 below invoice or is it something else like after taxes?
And can I still negotiate on the $1,250 factory to dealer incentive after we have agreed on a price or does the price we agree on include all rebates, incentives, etc.?
Just wanted to share with others. I had sent emails to few Kia dealers in the area and got quotes ranging from $27,400 to $27,900 for a 2010 EX with the Luxury and Entertainment package. Is it worth paying this for the Sedona knowing that these vans depreciate so much in the first year? Anyone else received any recent quotes for the 2010 Sedona?
We just put a deposit on a Sedona LX with the Power Package (ie power sliding doors and windows) yesterday. After all rebates, we're paying $20,990, so your price seems good.
Not sure where you're located, but we're in Mass and are buying it form Lev Kia, Framingham, MA. They didn't have the color (red) we wanted on the lot so they're swappig with another dealership.
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First, I had to have the timing belt replaced because it was making an awful noise. Apparently the pulley that tightens it doesn't work properly. This is a known problem. I called my dealer (not the one I bought the car from), and they fixed the problem under warranty (done around 20k miles).
The Brake Rotors are warped. (when braking, the car shudders) Again, this is a common problem - do an internet search, but is not covered under warranty. I didn't figure it out until too late. I haven't had them replaced yet, but expect I will have to pay for them. This will be part of my 30k service.
My original tires need to be replaced. 30k miles seem a little low for tire replacement, but again, I bought a KIA, and to keep costs down, the parts are not the highest quality. Again, these will be replaced at the 30k service. (Researching tires right now.)
My rear view cabin mirror broke yesterday. - Not the rear view mirror to see cars behind you, but the one that lets you see the kids in back seat.
Otherwise the car has been fine. Gas mileage is okay. Nothing great, but no complaints. My kids and their friends can all fit in it, even with car seat. I can carry lots of junk (we do lots of garage sales). Multiple Trips from North NJ to Maryland, Virgina, Philadelphia without any issues.
I see the complaints go up once this model style gets above 60k miles. I hope this is not true as I'd like to get the car into the 75-90k range before selling it.
Any questions or comments write to me at bagel3456@gmail com
Furthermore, what I want is a clean used Kia. I was told they had the worst resale prices in the industry -- literally, the lowest. But USED Kias (and Hyundai Entourages) are at such a premium, I have been beaten out 3 times, to buy a 4 year old vehicle at $13-14K. That's not cheap, if the owner (according to older posts here circa 2008-2009) were paying only $18-19K for a brand NEW Sedona EX; that means it barely depreciated at all in 4 years and 50K. What is going on here?
I do notice that Kia's (and many other cars) have had exploding price increases. Some of this is going for what I consider very unnecessary options (that are now unavoidable) like power sliding doors and liftgates, rear parking cameras, and so on. They've made a very affordable vehicle now almost as pricey as a Honda or Toyota, without the supposed resale value.
4 years ago when I bought my last minivan (Nissan Quest), I paid $11K. In 2005, I bought a minivan -- $11K. In 2002, I bought a minivan -- $11K. Prices were incredibly stable. These were ALL 4 year old vehicles with less than 50K miles.
Yet this year, I can't TOUCH anything for $11k or close. The lowest prices are Kia's, but are rarely under $14K -- that's a 40% price increase! Furthermore, dealers are very arrogant....act like they don't care if you buy or not. Or that they always sell at "full asking price". Yesterday, a dealer dragged me across town (60 mile round trip, with gas at $3.79!) to see a dirty, stained, scratched Hyundai Entourage, which I could not drive (it hadn't been to the service dept) and demanded $14K, and that they were not giving up so much as $1 on the deal. And he had a another buyer -- she went to lunch while he was supposedly evaluating her trade, and in that hour, he was trying to sell to me! behind her back! nice guy! -- and mind you this for a car I was not permitted to drive, filthy, scratched, etc. He was not negotiating. He didn't have to, because he claimed "everyone wants minivans".
Of course, other dealers and common sense tell me most carmakers aren't even producing minivans, due to low sales, and even Kia is discontinuing the Sedona after 2012! (The Entourage is long gone.) That means of course, NO lower price minivans, just Hondas and Siennas for $40K new, $25K used.
I'm just having horrible, horrible problems buying a Kia Sedona EX (2006 or newer) or a Hyundai Entourage in the NE Ohio area -- I'm no youngster, and have bought many cars, and 4 vans and I've literally never seen anything like this. The dealers practically spit on me when I walk in the door (if they even acknowledge my presence). I've had handshake deals, and deals with actual buyer agreements that were violated, as they sold cars out from under me, sometimes by only an hour or so ("we're a first come, first serve business").
In the past, I could usually PICK the best used van from a selection of 4-5 -- now I can't find ANYTHING. The prices are way, way up -- this makes NO SENSE if (according to older posts here), people were paying IN THE TEENS for Sedonas just 3 years ago!!!! And dealers are not dealing at all. I mean literally. Literally, yesterday a dealer told me he did not have to lower his asking price one cent to make a sale. He didn't need the sale. He didn't even have to clean the car to sell it! He did not have to let me test drive it. That's how CONFIDENT he was to sell at full asking price, 40% over what I have paid in the past.
I don't get it. I'm doing something wrong -- what? What is it I have to do to find a new (used) van?
You're asking why are used car prices so high? Because that financial implosion in 2008 drove down car sales to levels we're still haven't recovered from (remember the implosions of Ford & Chrysler). Before that the industry was selling 16M vehicles / year in the US. I don't believe the US will crest 12.5M this year and the past two years have been better than late 2008 and 2009.
In other words, there are that many fewer new cars being sold, most buyers for many reasons (credit problems, debt reduction, declining household income, etc.) can't afford new and are gobbling up used cars driving up prices. It's gonna be this way for another few years too.
So, best option is to buy new, second best is to keep what you got and if neither of those works, buy used.
Finally, I have a 2006 Sedona EX (in SW Ohio) that I got a good deal on back in early 2007. I can't imagine selling private party for anything close to the prices you're being quoted, because I just can't imagine anyone paying it. I'm probably ~12 months from being ready to sell, but given there are at least some people trolling these boards, I'll post back here when it's up for sale.
btw-I'm still lamenting the deal I didn't act on in Dec 2008. I was quoted $8K off a new WRX STi (Yark Subaru in Toledo) and was eligible for 0% financing for 60 months. I declined the deal. Three and half years later I can't buy that car used for the same price, nor with that interest rate. A lot has changed in the car buying world.
So if you can combine the Customer Cash ($2500) and Bonus Cash ($2500) along with either the Loyalty or Conquest ($1500), you're talking $6500 off BEFORE any dealer discount. Got an inquiry in with a local dealership to confirm.
I'm thinking they can be combined because I see 3 2012 EX's discounted $7500 on a local dealer website, (Jeff Wyler Kia Easgate).
Let us know if they can be.
TIA