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I can probably wait until May when my lease is up.
its all a shot in the dark however, the only people who know anything are nissan corporate people!
-thene
Anyway, the Drive to 1,000,0000 sale won't end just in March. Nissan will extend the sale and call it something else. $1500 rebate by Nissan is nothing to write home about. I"m pretty sure that all manufacturers will increase their rebates to get buyers back into their showrooms for large SUVs and trucks. Keep in mind, SUVs and trucks are the most profitable segment of their business. They can "afford" to give bigger rebates. IMO.
It's cheaper to buy cars in SC due to stiff competition, however, it's expensive to drive the cars here with high insurance cost, emission cost, and higher fuel cost.
I hope this helps some of the people out there on this forum when dealing with dealers. Please feel free to comment or if you have any questions I will answer gladly. Good deals are still out there!!
Thanks for your help and info.
Bruce
Now my local dealer says that it sounds like that vehicle might be "punched", meaning that it is either a dealer demo or that the dealership was trying to make a monthly quota. Any way the warranty begins the date that the vehilce becomes "punched". This is because he said he could not find that truck either thru the dealer computer.
Also my local dealer said that the truck with all these features is a sometimes difficult to sell since it is loaded with many options.
The latest offer from the local dealer is that he will order this truck w/ the options I want from the factory and sell it to me at invoice, before any rebates. He says he really wants to earn my business. Of course he needs a $500 deposit to do this.
Meanwhile I plan to take a vacation this weekend near the out of state dealer and was going to check out that truck. I still have not heard back from this out of state dealer and even left him a voice-mail to follow-up. Is there anyway I can tell if the truck has been "punched"? Or is this all a big line of BS?
My instinct says this local dealer is being honest but I'd like to hear your opinion.
If the out of state dealer has the vehicle you want with all loaded features, check out the build date of the Titan. If the date is OLD, then you can assume that the vehicle has been sitting on the dealers lot for some time. Thus, you should have the leverage of hardballing this dealer. For a loaded LE, you should easily negotiate at least $5.5K off the MSRP. No question ask. The key thing is finding out the build date of teh vehicle.
IMO, I think your local dealer is BSing you that the truck was 'punched'. He doesn't want you to go to out of state dealer. IT's all a game.
Good luck!
------------MSRP------------------Invoice
Base-------35250--------------------31863
Big Tow------400-----------------------347
Floor Mats--110-------------------------82
Dest Chg----670------------------------670
Total-------36430--------------------32962
Rebate----=-1500-------------------=-1500
Your Cost--34930--------------------31462
These are the prices right off this site. The other two dealers I dealt with would only go $600 to $650 under invoice. This one dealer in NH which is a hour from me in Mass went $1218 below invoice and I still got the rebate.
The big three are giving more back in incentives but again it all depends what you want. I am a old chevy guy at heart and just sold a 2000 silverado that had over 100 TSB. If you can get 5K to 6K off here and 8k to 10K there you need to see if those other vehicles will work for you. Good Luck!
Galaxy Black 2005 LE
Leather captains chairs
floor mats
under seat storage bin
Big tow package
MSRP $33520.00 offer from dealer $27700.00
so far this is not with the .02% apr but I am still working on them. When I told them I was going to test drive the F-150 today. I also pointed out that the fords have better rebates and that really got the price down from 30000 real quick.
-thene
After some haggling he agreed to sell at invoice on a 2005 Titan LE CC, with sunroof, NAV, side air bags, big tow, floor mats, under storage bin and leather bench seats. MSRP was like $37000 so that is about what you said.
Here is the purchase agreement for the 2005 Titan LE CC:
33,518.00 (Purchase price)
+ 6.50 (Tire and Battery waste fee)
+ 17.00 (Electronic titling fee)
+ 399.00 (Predelivery fee)
33,940.50 (Amount Taxable)
+1,697.00 (Sales Tax)
+2.00 (Lemon Law Protection)
35,639.53 (Sub Total)
-200.00 (Non-Refundable Deposit)
35,439.53 (Unpaid Balance)
I am very skeptical of the $399 pre-delivery fee and some of these other ticky tac fees and will challenge it or NO DEAL.
thene-I agree, why spend my vaction time dealing with this. But its a function of whats available. I would have to travel further at a later time, which I am willing to. Just trying to do it together if it all works out. Thanks-let me know your thoughts on this deal.
with regards to the other fees, i am in CT, and have not seen any fees regarding lemon law protection, electronic titling fee, tire and battery waste fee. not saying they arent legit - it may vary from state to state - i have no way of knowing from my stand point. ask them who gets the fees - is it the state or do they keep them? if they keep them, then they are nothing more than add ons to the conveyance fee, which should cover all that in the first place!
hope that helped!
-thene
I just wanted everyone to know so they don't feel like they got a bad deal if they paid more.
I want to order a hard to find Titan 4x4 King Cab LE with only the side steps and rubber floor mats.
MSRP of $ 33,120
Floor mats $ 110
Step Rails $300
I was quoted 29503 with the 1500 rebate, before I go back and fight Can I do better?
I don't know what the market pricing is in the Chicago area, but I've had dealers in my area, the DC - Baltimore area, offer me 800 below invoice before rebate on all Titans in stock.
I personally wouldn't take this deal, the dealer is already lying to you so I wouldn't trust them at all.
Remember, you have the economy AND higher fuel cost on your side. Dealers are begging buyers to purchase SUVs and Big trucks in this market.
As for me, I"m holding out till April. With the aggressive price reduction from GM and Dodge, I'm starting to see Toyota Tundras come down just as fast because this is Tundras last production year. This will force Nissan Titan to price match the same factory rebate.
With patience, you can easily save yourself $1K (which is about two car payments).
As for the pre-delivery fee, sounds like a scam. Factory typically includes delivery destination as the final price.
Since the truck has been sitting in the dealer's lot since December 2004, I would walk away. I would go to your local dealer and order a BRAND new Titan LE with new and improve factory specs (perhaps they improved on the brakes). Buying a truck with 3/05 build date is better than buying a 12/04 build date. Most bugs should have already been debugged by now.
AGain, aim for $5.5K off MSRP.
I figured $3500 off wasn't bad but??? If there is a feeling the rebates are going to be larger in two weeks...I will & can wait. Thanks
also, to those who are quick to call everything a "scam" please be careful - nissan does change the lineup, and what is standard quite often. let consumers know that as far as you know, it doesnt look right, but maybe things have changed - like the step rails for the KC Titan. everyone already dislikes salespeople for obvious reasons, lets not give them false reasons to hate us as well! thanks!
happy motoring!
thene
I think that the deal is fair at invoice. I know in your area it may be more competitive and you can play hard ball. But in the South it's not.
Then again I may be talking myself into this.
If I did order the Titan thru local dealer, it wouldn't arrive until until July.
and roob, you are right - nissan is 37k cars away from hitting their goal - they will be working deals to hit that number - now is the time to buy!
thene
I have been contacted by another Nissan dealer here in Oklahoma city.
2005 galaxy black Titan LE
4x2
big tow
floor mats
Leather captains chairs
MSRP 33520
offer by dealer 28970
Can I do a little better? Titaneese
Ill keep updating...
I will tell you, it was almost too easy..Like, I should of worked it a little more, but, I've never been able to get into the holdback before (which I think is about 3% on these trucks)
Please let me know what your thoughts are....Thanks
Is 100.00 over invoice possible in Chicago area.
Waiting till April, and the comment about escalating fuel may provide some deeper discounts. The "crap" they stuck me for was a processing fee ($77.00) and temp tags ($7.50), but that's it. Overall, I was pleased with the dealership.
All I know is I have never been able to get into a dealers "holdback", so I was a little trigger happy at $400.00 - Great forum for discussion.
Unfortunately, I didnt' get a chance to visit next door (Nissan). The entire process took me about 2 hours. I told the salesman to hurry up because I had my dog in the car. LOL
Well, I can't go wrong picking a Tundra over the Titan. This is the fifth year that Tundra has been in production. I"m sure all the kinks are worked out compared to the Titan.
Happy motoring!
Had I bought the XE CC, I would have put SE wheels, add billet grille, add door moldings, and tint the windows. Viola, XE becomes SE without the chrome door handles for thousands less! The only major difference between XE and SE are the seats. XEs are bench seats, while SEs are bucket seats.
Msrp is $33800
told by dealer his cost was $30420
What I think.
Msrp $33800
Real Dealer cost $28400
Holdback is $852 which is 3% of 28400
Real Dealer cost - $852 = $27548
$27548 - $1500 = 26048
end of year dealer sales incentives ????
these are kept top secret so even if it was only $500 the actual dealer cost is $25548
I think they have a lot more profit built into each deal and what they will take for their product just depends simply on supply & demand
I have offered the dealer $28100 & asking for 3.49% APR, this is $5700 off Msrp I am sure they will try to bump me up some more. My point is there is plenty of room for them to make their profit & I think they should make a good living but not by ripping people off.
Keith
sorry to vent, i dont mean to sound upset - i just find it frustrating that people "know" so much about the car sales profession, but they have never been in it. its just from their once every 3 years experience in buying a car that they come to these conclusions. again, no harsh feelings - i just wish there were better understanding on both sides!
good luck with your purchase keith! I hope you get a fair deal :-)
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this "i just find it frustrating that people "know" so much about the car sales profession, but they have never been in it.".
So do we have to be a car salesman to buy car? for that matter to be a computer programmers to use a computer? ....
There are a whole lot of "sleazy" car salesman out there more than there are "nice" one. And they will take advantage of the buyers every single chance they can.
If you "wish there are better understanding on both sides", then maybe the automobile profession has to revamp the whole selling process. Not to sock it to the buyers every chance they get. Until then, buyers will have to come in the showroom with a whole lot of skepticism and a whole lot of information on hand just to be on even level.
titaneese,
I bought my Titan 04 SE crewcab back on 8/04 and I got it for $600 below invoice and 1.9% APR. Sounds like you are right at the ballpark. I would work it from that number.
One note, make sure when you negotiate, give them the DRIVE OUT PRICE, not the final price of the car. Been to too many deals where they agreed with the final car price and socked me with document fee this, extra charge that.
So good luck and update us on what you got.
Oh by the way I received an E-mail today from the same guys.
MSRP is $33800
purchase price $28893 NO FEES
this is $4907 off of MSRP
Thenebean, you are welcome to vent anytime & there is no animosity here towards you or your profession.
Good luck & thanks in advance for your response.
Keith
let me ask you a question, have you ever bought a tv? a big nice tv? i was shocked to find out that a tv has a 100% markup to it - and that most people pay that markup! i am just curious as to how you see that as not being ripped off. car dealerships have a 10% markup at most (not including holdback which makes it maybe at most a total $13%) what would you think is a fair percentage of profit?
i cannot speak for, or condemn previous practices of the automotive sales industry - but if you are educated (see my post in Purchasing strategies) you will be fine. trying to come in and take every penny of holdback, invoice, and then some isnt going to make the process any smoother for you or the dealership. sorry this is so long - its tough to make the consumers understand when they have been nervous and scared for so long - and rightfully so. please understand i am just trying to share this side of the story so people know how it works.
keith,
as far as your titan, i think i had said invoice on that truck was about 28400. based on what we are selling them for, if it is a truck that is readily available, you should be able to get them to invoice - especially if it is in stock. if its a tougher vehicle to find, a couple of hundred over, or even a hundred over invoice would be a fair deal. could you grind them for more? almost always - but then the process becomes unpleasant for both sides. you'd be surprised at the kind of service you get from a dealer down the road if you make the purchasing experience pleasant and fair! we've had people who we worked a really fair and non-confrontational deal with come in down the road with an issue or request, and we jump all over it for them and have it done yesterday.
it depends on what you want to do. again, you can probably get a couple hundred more off - and have a great truck for a great price!
oh, btw, have them list out all their fees before you agree to anything. and have them do it in writing (email) and not on the phone - that way you are covered!
hope that helped!
-thene
On the other hand, I know a dealer that is selling two 2004 Titan LE CC for $25,888 (brand new). I"m not sure what options the truck has.
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I have offered to buy the truck for
$28100 NO FEES
their response $28893 NO FEES
this is $4907 off of MSRP - MSRP is $33800
hvan says 28300 is reasonable even the dealer should see I'm in the ballpark. I'm not trying to be unreasonable just do the best I can. My personal target was $5000 off Msrp and hvan I think says shoot for $5500 off msrp.
I completely appreciate all of you guys responses & when I close the deal in the next couple of days I'll write all about it.
thanks, Keith