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"Sedona" (what they are calling the SWB)
Standard - 4365lbs.
Full Option - 4618lbs.
LX and EX (what I refer to as the WHALE!)
Standard - 4387lbs.
Full Option - 4646lbs.
I suppose if these figures are to be believed, just about negligible. Guess that's why those mpg estimates on the stickers are identical. Same engine/drivetrain. Same basic weight. Wind tunnel results probably the same as well. Looks like they just chopped 12.6" off the rearend, tightened the wheelbase and lowered the starting price. Track is listed as identical to LX/EX whales. Ditto the width, height & ground clearance.
Also, please note a correction to my previous post. I was in error over the rack being listed as standard equipment. Make that roof rails & mats - $300 option. Cross beams extra.
Light gray innards for your whale, eh? How appropriate. :P
PS Are these things as thirsty at the pump as some say they are fish or are you getting decent numbers? Just can't see an engine that size combined with the above notated weights on these rather large land cruisers getting the claimed mid-20s. Curious of your first hand figures. Danks in advance.
The bulletin is available in the service section of the Kia webpage. Here is the URL for the bulletin.
http://www.kiatechinfo.com/TechInfo/Pitstop/board_view.asp?docu_no=57
The bulletin was released on November 20, 2006 as KT2006112001
Looks like a simple fix requiring a cable tie.
Finally some peace and quiet!!
Red Bluffian
Amazing that the two versions almost weight the same, figured it would have been 100+ lbs difference...
Anyone have a link to the 07 brochure? I only see the 06 brochure online.
Or just settle for the LWB because of the extra space. Does that extra space seems like a big lose
zoomzoom
http://www.kia.co.uk/?flash=true
2007 Base (SWB) MSRP: $20,495.00
2007 Base (SWB) Invoice: $19,895.00
Destination charge: $700
Not much negotiating room between MSRP & Invoice there.
Also, Straightline got a couple pictures of the SWB from LA, and some info:
Straightline's shots of the SWB Sedona from the LA Auto show
Interestingly, this SWB had captain's chairs for the second row. (my preference)
Legroom(Front/Middle/Rear):
Sedona base: 41.7in/37.0in/33.9in
LX & EX: 41.7in/40.9in/34.0in
Headroom(Front/Middle/Rear):
Sedona base: 40.9in/39.8in/36.4in
LX & EX: 40.9in/39.8in/38.3in
Passenger Volume:
Sedona base: 161.6cu.ft.
LX & EX: 172.3cu.ft.
Cargo Volume (behind 1st row/2nd row/3rd row):
(This one's the kicker!)
Sedona base:121.3cu.ft./61.8cu.ft./12.9cu.ft.
LX & EX: 141.5cu.ft./80.1cu.ft./32.2cu.ft.
It is that room or lack thereof behind the 3rd row in the shorter Base version that IS the difference. Ground clearance same. Ditto the width, height, front & rear track. As noted before, SWB is 12.6 inches shorter overall.
Hope this helps.
zoomzoom
Is this normal?
It seems like a poor design to race the engine when cold before oil pressure builds. At least the engine is protected by the warranty.
Thanks,
Don
I knew more about the car than the salesmen..(all of them didn't even now it existed. This was in Allentown,pa.
I was sold on the car before this:
It is a 2+2+3.. not a 2+3+2 like overseas.
I wanted one fully loaded.
The new SWB does not come with power sliding doors or rear hatch, no leather, no climate control.. etc. Just base... as in the name. The dealer gave me a brochure also and there is no options for it.
So basically its just shorter base minivan.. no perks.
They will check with the KIA rep. and see if it will be offered with any options, but the brochure looks like it will not.
And all I wanted was a SWB with all power options, not the whale. So back to the drawing board.
Thanks for the reply,
Don
Kia COO/EVP Chat
Most of your braking is done with the front brakes so I would think if that was brake dust it would be on the side behind the front wheel and also on the wheel cover. When I was it I don't the dust coming off the front wheels.
only program a maximum of 2 key fobs to my 2007 van. I'm pretty sure that I read
on the HMAservice website that 4 can be programmed to each car. Anybody know what can be done?
Same here! I want a SWB with a fold flat rear seat. Thought I had the perfect vehicle in the MPV but when I test drove it I didn't like the "play" in the steering and the body roll.
I'd be interested in a Kia or Hyundai SWB minivan If it came with automatic climate control, and if all three door were powered.
This van barely fits in my garage! But I love it
I'm sure the dealer would love to unload a 2006 LX and I won't be pulling the trigger unless the price is definitely 'right' which in my mind would be $7000 off MSRP. We haven't gotten into numbers yet.
Dealer let us take home the 2006 for the night, which was a nice touch.
Normally I sell my outgoing vehicle privately, but we may trade in our 2002 EX for simplicity and because I don't know how long it would take to sell it privately. We'll see tomorrow what the dealer's appraisal is.
My preference is NOT to buy a vehicle that has been on the lot so long -- in this case, more than a year.
Any thoughts on what problems the early 2006 units exhibited vs. the later 2006 units?
What advice does anyone have with purchasing this vehicle? My initial thoughts, if we decide to buy it, are to have the dealer do the following:
1. Oil and filter change -- van has only 550 miles but the oil is more than a year old.
2. Perform all open recalls.
3. Address any TSBs that I want handled before we take delivery. I'm not sure if dealerships will actually do this sort of warranty work prior to customer delivery.
In particular, I'm concerned about the vibration at highway speeds that so many owners reported on this board. Is there a TSB that explains how the dealer can fix this problem?
See messages on "PRICES PAID" forum for more on this. $7000 off MSRP is the starting point low offer from internet people around me. Some have done better ($7500 off, possibly $8000 off).
On your other question about the 11/05 build date, that's what I saw on an EX too. Personally, I'm a little skittish on something that old as new.
Local dealers here have a lot more LXs delivered later, most of them with May 06 build dates. Still not late enough for all of the TSBs, but 6 months better than 11/05.
Your EX vs LX is a tough call. Just depends how much you really want those power sliding door / hatch options (not available on the LX IIRC).
As for me, I can't figure it out. I do think there will be similar deals for 07's at some time (there's already $1k on the 07 SWB).
I didn't really get an answer from my local dealer if there truly is a nationwide $1,000 dealer incentive in effect, on top of the published $4,000 customer rebate. Sounds like it probably IS for real, as typer_801 has explained and your post and the price I was offered seem to support that.
In the near future, I plan to post here some observations regarding differences between the 2 vans. It is interesting to note that although the 2006 model is better in almost every way, there ARE some aspects of the 2002 interior which are superior. For example, the 'standard' EX sound system is better, the interior lighting is nicer with separate lights over each outboard 2nd/3rd row passenger, the existence of the center-mounted storage bin on the dashboard, the front doors each have 2 storage trays/pockets vs. 1 per door on the 2006, the dash and other materials have a higher-quality feel in the 2002, etc.
The brakes on our '02 did not require ANY work until 65,000 miles -- and all we needed at that point was new front pads. We traded it @ 75k miles and I was sad to see it go.
If our 2006 does as well on brakes, I will be thrilled.
Someone [DocRXGLS] did this and posted detailed how-to instructions:
Sedona Dash Trim Change
Before picture:
In between picture:
After picture:
Parts needed:
Left & Right vent trim pieces:
84780-4D100-OA
84783-4D100-OA
Bottom console cover:
84631-4D020
This is not a mod I would ever do -- too much trouble for a simply visual benefit.
dbt, thanks for posting that how-to. Very nice information.
Actually, I don't like the black dash in the LX any better. We test-drove one for a good 4 days and I decided the black has a fairly cheap look and feel.