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'offering' and actually getting are two different things - GST effectively controls all Toyotas supplied in that area and can make it difficult for any dealer that is selling the car significantly under market. Avalon orders were taken all over the place at some relatively well discounted prices - somehow the cars never actually showed up as 'ordered'. Invoice is, of course, a highly imaginery number especially with those distributor 'port' pkgs. but if the Camry is generally selling at something close to sticker (as you would think it would for awhile) than you better believe that the dealers know precisely what they can get for it. Unless, of course, it's a lease in which case 'sell' prices mean much much less.
Toyota Camry: Prices Paid & Buying Experience
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#2687 & #2689
I think they are very helpful.
Tidewater
And a quick search on the internet will find a special sequence of steps if done within 30sec of starting the car that will disable VSC on the Lexus. Don't know if it works on the Camry or not.
Seems like we're in the same boat - and state. Which end of the state are you in? I'm in South Jersey and I haven't seen an SE yet! Not sure the TL is worth the price difference any more. Although now I'm reading reports about the 17" wheels on the SE contributing to higher road noise levels than what is experienced on the LE and XLE models. Looks like I'll have to drive both.
Curiously - did the TL seats feel as comfortable as the SE? I've only sat in a TL, and the seat felt borderline HARD. My current TL ('01) is very comfortable.
I've been doing some internet shopping, and right now the price difference between the TL (non Nav.) and an SE (non Nav.) is 4K. Like I said, I don't think the TL is worth the difference. But, driving them will tell the story. Your car looks beautiful in the pics you've posted. Congrats.
Can't say much about the price because I traded in a car and they show the numbers how they want, but I still am financing exactly what I wanted. I told the dealer what I wanted (no extra add-ons for pinstripes, protection, etc) and he did a search and found one in Arkansas(I'm in OKC) with only floor mats added and I got it 3 days later.
The dealer had about 6 Camry's on Sat. and that is where all the showing and test driving was. They will sell like crazy and said they are finally seeing younger people looking at Camrys. I also drove the SE V6, and like the luxury look better on the exterior and interior of the XLE, but still liked the SE. I have an 05 Odyssey and love Honda quality and driving characteristics, but the new Accord design is just not that attractive to me.
Hope this helps anyone considering the car.
This is not necessarily a bad thing. VSC is much more likely to save your [non-permissible content removed] than it is to spoil your driving fun. Some of the car mags may say it's intrusive on sporty driving but some also say it's the biggest safety advance in the last 50 years.
They know the little kid lurking inside you ready to test the limits of that tiny VSC switch.
Thats why they did not put it.
I think the thing that annoys me most is - They call this thing an "option", and then they FORCE you to take it, and pay for it. Then to add insult to the injury, you can't turn it off if you want to.
Like I said, we have a Honda and an Acura in the garage right now. They both have "TCS" and you can turn it off, on Both vehicles if you want to. It's nice to have a choice in the matter.
:P
It's not VSC that you want to cancel it's Traction Control. VSC only kicks in when the yaw sensors determine that you are not going in the direction you intended. It minimizes the extremes of understeer or oversteer and usually will kick in at higher speeds. If you are standing still on icy pavement VSC does nothing.
What the professional testers dont like is that at highspeeds where they know how to keep a car under control VSC throttles them down and applies the brakes. This has little to do with the Traction Control system although both are linked through the ABS.
The vast majority of amateur drivers do not know how to avoid problems and likely will do just the opposite of what they should.
That being said, unless people are taking their Camrys on a race track or to an autocross competition, I'm not sure what benefit anyone would get from turning TCS/VSC off.
~alpha
Does this kind of nonsense really belong in this forum?
Maybe he thinks everyone just naturally agrees with his opinion.
Are the new Camry's prone to rusting? I used to own a 97 Camry 5 speed 4 cylinder and it was a decent car. The body was clean and it didn't have any rust on it for the 52,000 which I drove it for.
What's going on with the rust that I found on the 07 Camry?
Galvanizing is considered a 'sacrificial coating'. That's why there is a 5 yr / unlimited miles rust-through warranty.
Another 3" of rear seat legroom would also make any trip more enjoyable.
59" of shoulder and hip room would be tolerable for a few hours.
Change that to, "indefinitely", if the alternative is walking during a sustained downpour or in 120+ degree desert heat...
"Everything's relative." -A. Einstein
That's what's relative and relevant!!!!!!!!!
According to buytoyota.com, I've seen several (on line) listed w/o the traction control, presumably because snow/ice not an issue here. However, if you do come down here, be prepared to pay the mandatory $699 SET (South East Toyota) add-on for rustproofing, free 1st oil change, yada yada. It's an "option" (chuckle chuckle) you won't be able to avoid. If you want to see for yourself, go to buytoyota.com and type in, for example, the Jacksonville, Fl zipcode = 32201, & you'll probably find an SE w/o that option.
Driving experience is unparallel. Wind noise on my XLE is well suppressed and almost non-existent at 75mph. Turning circle is awesome for a car that size. I haven’t noticed any torque steer when accelerating. The new V6 engine is very refined and has plenty of power. I am averaging 26.7mpg on 70/30 highway/city driving.
The workmanship is outstanding. I’ve owned a Passat and an Acura TL and by far the Camry V6 07 has a luxurious interior that’s on par with more expensive vehicles for thousands less.
First 2 tanks = 26.49 avg. mpg actual (27.2 avg trip computer)
50-60% city.
http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128303&page=5
It starts from post #68 where a poster says he works at a Toyota dealership and there may be an issue with the V6's transmission.
Has anyone noticed anything peculiar at all with the V6 transmission and how it feels? Any hard shifting or hesitation, etc.? Thanks.
no'07 in dealer when i was there and you cant tell from the pics.
i mailed a $500 deposit friday 04/14.