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Your comparisons are a bit off. The base RSX has a 155 hp 4, the Si will have a 2OO hp 4. So the RSX obviously it will not out-power the Honda. The RSX-S does come with the 201 hp 4, but also requires premium fuel - same as the Si - and is priced at $24k - much more than a loaded Si. It also gets 23/31 mpg with the 6-speed manual - barely any different than the Si. So, from a performance and fuel economy standpoint, the RSX has no advantage over the Civic Si.
My friend (whose parents own a Mazda3), got a test drive in the new civic and said it wasn't even close in terms of driving dynamics, comfort, and style. In all honesty, Honda needed a home run here, definitely not a ground rule double. They both might get the ball out of the park, but one counts for a whole lot more. The 3 is simply so far beyond any other small car out there right now that the Civic needed to be absolutely astounding, not merely just another new Civic, like all the other ones that have come before. If the market was determined merely by quality of the product, Mazda would have total domination. While I can't say for sure until I've driven the new civic, based on the huge number of impressions from boards like this one, Honda failed to nail the formula.
BTW, the DX with a stick will probably be in the low eight's for 0-60 times. An EX will be in the high eights. Too little displacement, and in the EX's case, too much weight. That equals mediocre acceleration. As was mentioned however, it will depend on whose numbers you trust. Car and Driver seems to deflate (faster times) their numbers slightly, or everyone else is merely off their rockers; Road and Track and the other big magazines seem more reliable. If you're to use their times, the DX might break into the high eights, but the EX certainly won't. I'd predict about nine seconds flat for the LX, the most popular model by far. Add about half a second for the automatic in each case (more weight, less power being transmitted to the wheels, much lower gear ratios). Altogether not bad, but the 3s beats them handily (even if it does drink far more gas).
I know I won't be getting it for anywhere near invoice, since I'm getting a Hybrid and I have to get it soon to make sure I get a California carpool sticker, but are invoice prices posted anywhere (this site or elsewhere) for these yet?
Newbie (currently driving '91 Civic LX... for a few more weeks)
one seems to understand what Honda is thinking. People who buy stick do so because they like to shift and they like driving. So Honda will give them a short 5th gear so they don't have to shift to have more immediate pickup, and no appropriate highway cruising gear.
My last purchase was an 04 TSX and it was the 1st automatic of my life. I couldn't see getting worse mileage with a stick (and the auto was a no charge option). A potential solution to all this, or a partial solution to all this, or no solution at all is as follows, though an engineer will need to evaluate this ....
Buy the stick. It has more pickup, it has higher revs at the same speed than an automatic has. When you buy tires, buy tires with about a 5% (or whatever it would be) bigger circumference, and your back where you started. Just a theory, its a shame Honda has us grasping at straws. Anyone from Honda out there who would like to apologize? Feel free.
I own a 2003 Civic EX manual, which has very short gearing, and just recently bought a 2005 Accord LX manual for my wife, which actually has fairly tall gearing. It gets a little confusing going from my Civic to the Accord, because I can comfortable cruise 35-40 mph in 5th gear in the Civic. That same speed requires 4th gear in the Accord, because it would be lugging the engine in 5th.
I have cancelled my order for a 2006 Civic EX sedan in manual. I may actually go with a hybrid since tax credit of 2100 expected in true money and 50 mpg not shabby.
If I knew Honda was serious about diesel 2.2 in 2007 I would look to that over hybrid. Remember in Europe you can buy Accord (TSX clone) and CRV diesel that truely get 42 combined (CRV) and 52 combined (Accord) with Hondas new award winning diesel.
I saw the civics last night. Nice but not on my to buy list any longer.
Plus If you buy a heavily discounted 2006 Accord (400 over invoice already) then why by the Civic. Give up sunroof, buy the the new 166 hp (175 hp with old standard) and get SE 5 speed 4 banger for a lot more car and only $19,500 with all safety features, ABS, alloys......
Again why? I love changing gears. The 5 speed accord 4 banger is a better tranny gearing and gets better economy than TSX and uses regular gas.
I did resent paying same price as automatic but the drive was just so sweet in the manual.....
tires will not do what you want.....
The Honda is new...the prices will probably come down. You also have to take into account resale value. I once almost bought a Ford Escort GT in 1991 because I test drove it, liked it, and I could buy it for $1500 less than the Honda Civic LX which I'd also test drove and liked as well. I figured I'd do myself some good and save money. Then I looked at the resale value and realized I'd lose money on the Escort from resale value. So the cheaper Escort was actually more expensive. Reliability was also much better on the Civic.
Don't forget that Honda under rated the K24 for the 2003 Accord. Honda rated it at 160 hp then, and TOV dynoed it at 170 hp. So the new 166 hp on the K24 is just the more honest rating with the new SAE requirements. It is probably the same as 170 hp under the old rating. The CR-V, which has a similar engine (different heard) is rated at 156 HP for 2006, was rated 160 HP prior. There are no new specs for the 2006 Element, which has exactly the same engine as the Accord. I wonder if it gets rated at 156 HP like CR-V, or 166 like the Accord?
I switched from a K20 powered Civic to K24 power CR-V, and K24 is much nicer down low. It pulls from idle. Although, K20 was pretty strong for a 2 liter 4 cylinder, K24 just has more torque, which gives you an impression of more power.
Speaking of overdrive...why can't they have a very tall 6th speed only for flat to very moderately rolling roads? Make it like a gear that you don't use all the time...and still be able to turn in great gas mileage in 5th if you like.
Window sticker says 30/40 for automatics, 30/38 for sticks.
We loved the looks, build quality, ride, quietness, stereo, and very acceptable pickup and handling. Nice touches include the one-touch to open sunroof, key/key fob incorporated into one piece, two tier instrument set-up, and stereo controls on steering wheel.
If you have any specific questions I'll be glad to answer them.
Not to make you sound stupid, but...are you sure it's a 2006? Some folks can't tell the difference.
How about we trade commutes (unless yours is less than 130 miles)? Here in Southern AZ traffic moves comfortably at 78-80 MPH and I,i too, hate the feel of a car that feels like my too tightly wound first boss from way back when, not to mention the difference in MPG.
I really don't think the eye is going to see a 5% difference in tire circumference, this might be a 2% difference in tire height.
Can any of you enthusiasts say whether having a 5% larger tire circumference, (or whatever the difference is to account for the gearing difference between automatic and stick) on the stick with the same gearing as other sticks, would not leave you with the same RPM's per mile? If this is incorrect thats cool, but I'd like to hear why.
I would absolutely love this. I do a lot of highway driving at constant speeds, and would benefit greatly by this.
The cynic in me sees another reason though. If a hypothetical 6 speed manual Civic cruised at 2500 rpm at 75 mph, it would likely gain another 3-5 MPG. That would bring real world fuel economy to a level on par with the Civic Hybrid.
It has been my opinion for quite a while that Honda and Toyota are deliberately not making their non-hybrid versions as fuel efficient as they could in order to protect the mpg advantage of their hybrids.
I assure you, I am not one of those folks (whoever they are) who can't tell a 2005 Civic from a 2006.
Please explain.
Thanks!
hawkeyeohi, you prob drove the EX, so how would you rate the quietness of this model in relation to mazda 3, ford focus, toyota corolla, camry, accord? i have a 97 camry, and if you have ever been in one of these, how would the sound levels compare to a 97 camry?
also, how is the ride quality in comparison to these other cars? is the 06 civic soft riding? compared to previous civic or Focus (prob softest riding)?
one last question to all: canadian civics are released a couple weeks after the American sept 15 launch, so would that mean canada would not get any japanese made civics since prob canada is ramping up ontario made civics to supply the canadian market versus japan meeting US supply? i am interested in getting a canadian japanese-made civic...any idea on which trim level/color/transmission combo might net the hightest chance of a japanese civic?
thanks!
More and more companies are going to a larger key format with the key fob keyless-entry buttons and functions on the key. This is not necessarily an improvement, as I found out the hard way. Replacement keys are very, very expensive.
I think the biggest thing that surprised us was how fast we found ourselves going when we looked at the speedometer. In this class of car you can usually feel how fast you're going.
it's good that the civic is quiet, though, because that would be very important to me (and others?). i wonder what some of the earlier posts about the 06 civic being noiser than previous gen. were about?
thanks again for your help
The Cobalt, Elantra, Focus, & Corolla don't even compare to the new Civic in regards to ride quality & quietness. The Mazda 3 just makes up for it with the fun factor.
I've also heard that this phenomenon worked against Honda--they went out of their way to make the Civic and Accord hybrids look like the "regular" versions, which cost them some sales with the more activist-minded consumers.
Drove an EX Accord 5 speed right after the CIvic. a bit roomier (mostly in the back seat), and drive nice. Slightly softer/quieter probably, but still a nice driver. More realxed and torquy engine for sure, and great mileage for a largish car (26/34).
BIggest difference to me was the seats in the Accord. Real nice shape. If the CIvic had these seats, I would have no qualms.
Big question: Is the Accord worth 4.2K more than the Civic (EX vs. EX)? for me, I would proebably get the CIvic assuming I was sure that I could get the seats to fit me.
I also sat in a Mazda 3 before stopping at Honda. Very comfy, and the leather seats were real nice. A 3s touring SE (loaded with leather, etc) 5 speed was MSRP $21,500! Wonder what these go for in real life?
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The difference in selling price is likely going to be much smaller. For the next 3-6 months, until demand dies down, the Civic EX is likely going to sell at or near MSRP. The Accord will likely sell near invoice, so the real difference in price will probably be around two grand. You should be able to get an 06 Accord for at least 2 grand under sticker. I just bought a new Accord LX for more than 3 grand off sticker.
Also, with the availability of nav and a host of other bells & whistles, it's definitely no penalty box. I'm about to move 20 miles further away from work, and economy and comfort will definitely be a factor, even more so than in the past. And for the first time ever, I'd actually consider getting an automatic, for two reasons: it actually has a slightly higher mileage rating than the manual, the fact I'll probably be dealing with a lot more stop & go traffic with the longer commute, and thirdly, my fiancee is a lot more comfortable driving a slushbox than a stickshift. Add to the fact that 9 times out of 10, we currently take her TSX when we go out (because of the nav) it's really a perfect package.
I'd love for us to get the 5-door Euro-spec model, but I guess the OEs still think Americans hate hatchbacks and compact wagons. I love my Protege5, and have been eyeing the 3 5-door, but when I'm in the market again, I'll definitely give the Civic a serious look.
hmm, looks like civic is getting better and better...now just how to get a japan-made canadian civic...
I think you do hear some tire noise, but that has as much to do with the tire on it as the car. Plus, they do such a good job making the car quiet, that all that's left to hear is the tires, so you focus on that.
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What is monitored? Trunk, hood? Glass breakage sensor? Motion sensor?
Will it lock the doors automically and arm itself when you exit the car - like the factory Honda alarm on my 95 Civic?
Siren - or does the horn and lights flash?
For those of you who have already bought an 06 Civic - I would apprecidate any extra info on this that might be in the owners manual.
1. Does anyone know any dealer anywhere that is selling '06 Civics below sticker?
2. If not, how long will you guess it will be before dealers start discounting '06 Civics?
3. Does anyone know of any dealer that is discounting '05 Civics to get them off the lot?
I have a dilemma.
One of the last '05 Civics to arrive in the state has my name on it. It's an LX manual. The dealer is willing to sell it near invoice: $14,785. I've contacted every dealer in the state and nobody else has an '05 Civic anymore. They sold out over Labor Day weekend with those cheap financing rates. The only Civics they're slated to receive now are '06's.
Yesterday a couple of new '06 Civics arrived. It looks like those are going to start trickling in. I drove an LX auto and I like the '06 LX much better than the '05. However, the dealer is asking the sticker price, something like $17,850. Yesterday two '06's arrived, and one of them sold the same day for the full sticker price.
This particular dealer will match any other dealer's written offer or advertised price. Does anyone know any dealer anywhere that is offering the new Civic for anything less than sticker price?
I need to decide quickly whether I'm going to
1. buy the '05 for $14,785.
2. buy one of the first '06's to hit the showroom
3. buy nothing for a few months and bet that '06's will start selling at a discount in the near future
4. Buy an '05 Corolla, which is the least appealing option, but there is $1,000 cash back, which makes it a little less than the '05 Civic and a lot less than the '06 Civic. I may opt to buy a Corolla if the '06 Civics continue to sell at sticker. There seem to be no '05 Civics left. '05 Corolla cash back offer ends at the end of September, and '05 Corollas are nearly impossible to find, now, too.
If it looks like the '06 Civics will take a year before they start discounting, I'm not willing to wait that long. I am willing to wait a couple of months, but I need to decide right away if I'm going to buy the '05 Civic because with the new Civics selling for $3,000 more, the '05 with my name on it will sell quickly if I call the dealership and tell them I've decided against buying the '05.
There is one more option: I can order an '06 Civic, which should arrive in a couple of months. If I can find a written offer or an advertised price below sticker before the car arrives, the dealer will match that price. If not, I'll have to pay sticker.
Ideas? Suggestions? Answers?
Also, a stiff structure allows for a softer suspension IIRC, since the body isn't flexing too.
In any case, the Civic seems to have a pretty good, although firm, ride, which is what I prefer. I drove a Camry recently and that thing was a marshmellow. Very quiet, but way too soft and floating (totally disconnected from the road). The Accord had much better road feel and handling, even though it was slightly noiser (but in no way noisy).
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If it is a non-nav AT, it looks to be about $400 over MSRP, so yes, you should try to get lower. THey are newly out, but pretty soon there will be a flood of them arriving daily (they make and sell a lot of Civics). THe only one I could see selling for a premium is the Si, but not the EX.
I shopped today, but did not get into negotiations.
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Wow you are wreckless. Next time try to avoid running over bums.
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Did you just level with the dealer and say,"Look, bud...I'm not buying a Civic for THAT MUCH money! Call me when the price is down to $$$$". Once the buzz is over for the '06 Civics that guy will know he/she has a sure sell! Just don't go with any other option but #2 or #3 because you'll be able to keep your next car for a long long time and you don't want to live with that.