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also can anyone post the booklet for it and how much does the performance package cost?
Just a brief post to comment on my test drive of the new civic sedan Lx auto.
WAY too much road noise. Otherwise a nice car. Far more noise than my 2000 Civic LX sedan with 80K. Pleny of room in the passenger area and I liked the dash and feel of the car. But too much noise!
The 2005 Civic EX automatic with side airbags is 18560 plus destination.
$500 higher MSRP for plenty more features.
No reason to panic about the price increase.
But its quieter now, since I changed the tires from Good Year Allegras to B/F Goodrich Touring T/A tires. Both were from Sam's. My wife complained of the tires, plus a different driver dented the car and put a small hole in the tire, and it was time for new tires anyways.
I look forward to ( highly wishful thinking here) buying a Civic LX Automatic AND an Odyssey EX-L Nav. (or maybe a Sienna LE Nav, I hear they're offering the Nav with the LE for 2006)
My wife won't let it happen though. She barely allowed me to get the Infiniti, and only because I convinced her the Civic was aging and the new car was such a good deal.
Might have to wait until 2006 year end closeout. Or gasp, 2007 year end closeout!
I sat in, but did not drive the new Civic. I didn't like the interior much - too modern for me (Tokyo by night). Looks fine from the outside, but it is basically the same size as last years, except the highly raked windshield and rear window reduce the interior space slightly. It has a much smaller "feel" than the Corolla. Doors closed with the most satisfying chunk I have ever heard on a car; real quality.
Honda continues to use "low" seating compared with Scion xA, xB, Focus, VW, Corolla, Camry, Ford Five Hundred which use more "suv" style high seating.
To me, the new Civic is very bland; it is exceptionally well executed, but does not break any new ground. I like my cars a little quirkier. :surprise:
The DX has got to go though. Either that or A/C and a 2 speaker CD Player have to be added. It's the basics nowadays. $14K for a car with no A/C or Radio? Come on. I could get a Ford Focus SE with A/C, a CD Player, and Power Windows for $14K! (Employee Pricing at work)
The plus side is that the 2005 Value Package models are now on clearance, if you can find one left, it can be REALLY cheap.
Try closing the doors on the 2006 Hyundai Sonata. I think you will be quite surprised - I was.
Heck, I can buy a 2006 Camry LE for about the same money as the 2006 Civic EX pictured in steveoregon's post.
My wife and I test drove a silver, automatic 06 EX sedan in San Diego today at about 2pm. The dealer we’ve been speaking to was nice enough to call to set up a test drive after the exact model we put a small down payment on came in early. These models were built in Japan, instead of the US. There were several at the dealer we went to, and supposedly some at another dealer further south. No sedan brochures out, but I was able to get the coupe/si one a few days ago.
Driving Impressions: Overall, an excellent car. A lot of this is subjective, but I am guessing the car will be well received after people start seeing more of them. It seemed “Substantial” in person in terms of aesthetics, but compact overall. It is very aerodynamic, even on the inside. The body is somewhat Prius-like from some angles. The dash appeared huge, as did the digital odometer display. No flickering, no sunlight wash-out, just nice. The alloy wheels looked beautiful, and quite large. It was spacious inside, but not much more so than the 05 Corolla or Civic. Storage and armrest comfort appeared great, and the steering wheel position was much better than the Corolla. Trunk is smaller than the Corolla, but the rear seats fold more flatly. The Ipod aux jack seemed well placed, but I couldn’t figure out what kind of cord it would be mated with (not a “Y” cord).
The drive was refined, and pick-up seemed at least adequate. Road and engine noise was expectedly noticeable, but improved compared to the last Civic. We did not clock any freeway time, but got to drive it at about 55mph (forgot to look at the ‘cruising’ tach reading). All controls and instruments worked well. I would have liked to have seen the interior at night, but even a brief glimpse of it in a well shaded area evoked a “wow, cool”. The engine compartment is tiny. Our salesman seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the car and its features, and was not aggressive. By the end of the test drive and other snooping around, we both agreed that this model/color was likely to be our next car but when?
Well, not too soon it appears. We knew they were going to be asking MSRP, and the previously posted prices ($19,060 plus $550 destination charge) were spot on. We asked for $18,500 and the dealer did not move one cent, admitting that the next test drive appointment was likely to buy the car today if we didn’t. We were prepared for this, and ended up asking them to call us later if some compromise could be made. This was, of course, predictable.
The thing is, we really liked the car, but that price doesn’t seem fair when looking at similarly equipped competition, and especially in considering that the novelty of “being the first one on the block” wears off pretty quickly. Not to mention the risk of reliability issues in buying a first year model after the redesign, and the lack of published crash safety results (although they should be good). Yet another bummer is the higher APRs offered by both the dealer and our credit union. 2.9 for a Corolla, 5.9 for the Civic.
This is not to say that the price was obscene, just a little out of range for the moment. We expect other buyers will be reasonable, and that prices will drop by or near the end of the year. Any advice or input on how to get closer to invoice would be greatly appreciated, and we hope this information is helpful. Thanks, and good luck!
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West coas must be getting Japan made ones.
Time is money, the longer you wait the lower the price will be. When the 2007s come out next fall, the 2006's will be sold close to invoice. When the newlyredesigned 2010 comes out in the fall of 2009, you can get the mid-model-year-upgraded 2009 for less than invoice. :-)
The interior is very nice, of course, great materials, and easy to use controls. I really likes the steering wheel, and the seats were very comfortable. Didn't like the digital sppedo too much, but near the end of the test drive i got used to it and i started to like it. And since this seems important to a lot of people....the doors shut with a solid thump.
The Accord is still a wonderful car though, even in Value Package form.
It's not as if you can really configure a Mazda3 with only the options you want anyway. The dealers will order them how they want and you have to take what they have in stock.
So, no, you cannot readily get a Mazda3i with a moonroof an no other options, so that is a useless comparison.
Same with most Toyotas. You have to take them the way they come optioned in your region.
FWIW, that wasn't the comparison I was making. Anyway, dealers routinely get cars from other dealers in their region, so it's not like you have to take what a dealer has in stock. For example, if I wanted a silver Civic LX manual and my local dealer didn't have it, he could arrange to get it from another dealer.
In my Toyota dealership I can order any Toyota with any options that I want. The only problem that if I order ABS I must get sunroof (I do not know why...
And one more... Dealer told me that I need to wait for a month+ before my custom car will be here (about Toyota).
Take a look at intellichoice's value rating on the Mazda3:
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/16350/type/new/year/2005/ma- - - ke/Mazda/model/Mazda3
Now take a look at their value rating for the 2005 Civic:
http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/16289/type/new/year/2005/ma- - - ke/Honda/model/Civic
You cant compare the two, if you do, you need to include the costs of ownership on the two also (with the Mazda3 being quite a bit higher in cost of ownership).
You may pay a little bit more for the Civic right now, but paying less for the 3 now will cost you a lot later. The mazda3 may look like a nice car, but it's no Honda.
Oh yea, and don't forget resale value. Which do you think will be worth more in 3, 4, 5 years? I'm betting on the Honda Civic
However some combinations of options on Mazdas and Toyotas simply are not typically ordered by any dealership, so trying to dealer swap will be useless. Some options require other options to get it, so in the end it isn't much more flexible than a Honda LX vs EX etc. in reality as it seems in theory.
Go to the Toyota website and try to configure a car online in your area and you will see that they don't even offer all possible option combinations in all areas. It varies by regions.
If you factory order a car, you give up certain discounts and promotions that only apply to cars in stock. So you may be better off just taking something from dealer stock with a heavy discount than to try to order some customized set of options anyway.
In my Toyota dealership I can order any Toyota with any options that I want. The only problem that if I order ABS I must get sunroof (I do not know why... )
And one more... Dealer told me that I need to wait for a month+ before my custom car will be here (about Toyota) " .
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Ordered a Corolla 06 LE with Automatic,ABS, JBL, Spoiler, Mud Guards, Dim rear view mirror and no, they did not require a Moon Roof to order it. Never heard of that one before
Anyway, currently I am waiting for Civic Sedan 2006. Later I will think what to buy.
Try closing the doors on the 2006 Hyundai Sonata. I think you will be quite surprised - I was.
Personally, I don't want to settle for "decent" I want class-leading.
You're comparing two completely different car classes. The Civic is EPA rated as a compact, the Hyundai a mid-size. People who need back seats and trunks the size of a Sonata will not logically cross-shop a Civic.
The price range for the Sonata is $17,895-$22,895. The price range for the Civic is $14,560-$20,560. So the Sonata averages about $2k more than a similary equipped Civic. The Sonata's 4 Cyl is also less fuel efficient amd noisier than the Civic. The Sonata does offer a 6 cyl, but now you're thousands above the Civic price.
As Edmund's says about the Sonata: "Still doesn't match the segment leaders when it comes to overall refinement."
You won't see them saying that about a Honda. They are the segment leader Hyundai wishes it were! I'll gladly pay a little more for better refinement and resale value.
I wouldn't get a Camry, but it'd be close between the Hyundai Sonata and a Honda Accord.
Old designs are cheaper than a brand new release.
It won't be that long before the 2006 Civics start to be discounted though. Impatient people pay the price to be one of the first drivers of a new design.
My point is for at least the next year or so, Honda has abandoned the buyer that can afford $13,500 - $16,000. I am one of those that will be out of luck unless my Jeep Grand Cherokee sells really quickly. Honda has lost a buyer in me because the new Civic is simply out of my price range. I can't wait another 4 months for Honda to start backing the price down.
Honda dealers are selling the Civic for what they can get and will discount them when they can't get the price anymore. They can't sell the cars for more money than available buyers are willing to pay no matter what the MSRP says.
Toyota dealers would be selling the Corolla for the same price if they could, but they can't because their design is old now.
The Corolla has to be discounted heavily now or why would anyone buy a Corolla today if they could get the fresh design Civic for the same price?
Next year people will be complaining that the new Corolla is too expensive and that they can get a Civic for less.
Personally, I think you can go too far with this practice of protecting each product in the lineup from the others. If nothing else, I would have kept a HB Civic in DX/LX/EX trim--that model would be right at the top of my list now, if it existed.
I would appreciate impressions of current hybrid owners.
How will the 2006 Civic Hybrid differ from the 2005?
I can understand manual windows, but no A/C? Impossible in the southeast...
I'd sell the VP for $15,000 even, include a CD player and A/C in addition to the current DX. Nothing else. Just a CD Player and A/C. All the other goodies- Cruise, power windows, mirrors, etc. belong to the LX.
I guess Honda heard me when I said they need better interior plastics in the 06 Civic. I thought the 01 Civic had some cheap interior plastics compared to the 96-00 Civic interior. I am not happy with the digital gauge in the 06 Civic. That should be replaced after the 06 model year with just a regular speedometer. I have an 02 CL and I;m looking to downgrade in a few years to a mid-size car or coupe or a compact sedan. The Civic Sedan just doesn't look "sporty" enough for me on the outside for me and the digital gauge is a let down as well.
One last note will some buyers be turned off by the Saturn-ish front end like the 03-05 looked like a Buick from the tail-end. To me Import Buyers may think it looks too American-car ish and not even consider the Civic just like they did with the current Accord?
My point is for at least the next year or so, Honda has abandoned the buyer that can afford $13,500 - $16,000. I am one of those that will be out of luck unless my Jeep Grand Cherokee sells really quickly. Honda has lost a buyer in me because the new Civic is simply out of my price range. I can't wait another 4 months for Honda to start backing the price down
Honda Fit should be here pretty soon.
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