Honda Civic Sedan 2006

biker4

You'd be surprised to see what an uninformed consumer will do. :shades:

alpha01

So an EX A/T including destination is about $19,700? Thats right on top of where a similarly equipped Mazda 6i would be.

~alpha

tawneycat

From report on temple vtec

Prices EX 5 speed sedan MSRP 18,810 invoice 17,236
Auto 19,610 17,969

Getting into discounted accord territory.

tawneycat

Price increase is not that bad considering 2005 model EX auto with sides was listed at
$19,075. Real increase is $500 bucks.

Wanted to post the price quickly. invoice is a guess based on current Civic .916 cost factor. But I bet invoice close.

I ordered EX sedan (manual) in Silver for $500 over cost.

That would mean $17,736 or about $1000 off. Not bad.
The car is well upgraded and really looks and drives like a bigger car now with good economy.

stickguy

Actually, it is many thousands below MSRP for a 6i AT with SAB/ABS/roof/alloys etc. Same with an Accord, etc. I'm actually driving a loaner Camry LE today. Stripped (no opotions at all), and the sticker is IIRC ~21.1K. Hubcaps included at no extra charge.

Of course, if you are talking street prices, that's different A 6i might retail for that, but why not assume that a Civic will sell for invoice +$300 (~17,5000)?

Also, I think that the Civic might appeal to some of the same people as the 6, but it won't be that extensively cross shopped.

If I like the EX as much as I think I will, a price in the mid-high 17s (for a 5 speed) doesn't sound too bad.

jpryba

Those of us who wanted ABS in the Civic beforehand but who would have to pay for the EX model will definitely save money if the new DX or LX model is otherwise perfectly fine for their needs. Add a stronger engine and more airbags to the equation, and the deal gets more attractive. Of course, with my luck the audio system in the DX model will only have 2 speakers like in the Accord DX. Oh well...

yanko

Could you tell me about the tax credits that effect in Janauary?

saxe10595

when ever new model comes dealer will sell closer to MSRP and you have to pay more. In fact I bought my last civic EX(2001 civic EX auto 4D) in 2000 Oct when 2001 model came out and that was the time when civic was last redesigned. None of the dealer were ready to sell me below 17400. I finally bought that for 16700 through carsdirect.com. No one was ready to negotiate at that price. I guess you have to wait and see before how they are selling. Now gas prices are high and civic may be in high demand though last 1-2 years civic didn't do that well in terms of sale.

viva_unix

guys, how do you get an invoice price? Look, I wanted to buy Civic 2005 Coupe LX, MSRP is $15.410 (MT and base price), but the invoice is 14.000+ (MT and base price) at "cars.com". I filled out the form and dealer called me next day, but... when I get there he calculated price according to MSRP.
???
Do I need to show him web site? Print something? Complain that the price is too high?
Thank you.

307web

Just forget that dealer and go to Carsdirect.com instead for a 2005 Civic.
Then you won't need to fight with the dealer to get it discounted.
Sounds like you don't know how dealer salespeople work and would be better off with an already heavily discounted price that's fixed.

w9cw

I would research the factory invoice price here at Edmonds.com (and, their TMV price), kbb.com, nada.com, as well as cars.com. All should correlate well. Remember, the dealer does not pay the factory invoice price. There is holdback and somtimes additional dealer money/incentives paid to the dealer. Even if you pay factory invoice, the dealer is still making a decent profit. So, be sure you negotiate from the bottom (factory invoice, even getting into their holdback) up, and not from the top (MSRP) down. If the dealer doesn't want to work with you, find another dealer. But, most importantly, never, never fall in love with a specific car at a dealer. Once that happens, they've got you hooked.

rahooo

what do u mean?

blane

viva_unix,

You could start here:

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2005/honda/civic/coupe/compact/index.html

Then you might want to read here:

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/78386/article.html

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/incentives/holdback/index.html

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/42962/article.html

http://www.edmunds.com/advice/buying/articles/index.html?tid=edmunds...secnav.1.1.*

bigal3

If the listed price is accurate, I agree that the price increase is not that bad.

Since Bush became the president of US, $US had fell more than 30% against the Canadian dollars (US nearest trading neighbor) & even a lot more against the EURO or Japanese Yen.

For example, if the Honda dealer can get a Civic for US$17,000 when Clinton was president, the buying power of that US$17,000 had now shrinked to only US$13,000. While everyone in the world is getting cheaper Honda Civics, people in US actually have to pay more....a lot more.

The exchange rate of US$ had again fell more than 7% in the last 2 months. I won't be surprised if the Honda dealers decide to jack up the price again when the new Honda Civic arrives US showrooms.

stupidfool

anyone know the invoice price for the 06 lx coupe

goose

This is a good place to add this observation. I test drove a 2005 Jetta 2.5L with aero kit (17 wheels) Sep 3, 05. The vehicle did not feel small. Plenty of room both front and back. However, the wheel base is 101.5 inches. The only explanation is the dash/windshield slope. Its not as sloped as say the new Civic. Sloped wind shields are great for aero dynamic reasons but they must be terrible for interior space use.
Oh, the new Jetta is odd looking but it has an excellent ride. And the GLI is even better, more in the TSX league than Accord. To bad VW has a terrible reliability record.

bobob20032000

Si requires premium-grade fuel. Regular Civics use Regular

backy

In today's USA Today, there was a review of the new HCH. Overall it was a very positive review. The reviewer got just over 36 mpg in 166 miles of driving, and noted he saw mid-40s when driving on the highway.

tradscott

You need to offer him something that you think he will take. It is that simple.

morphous

Will the new civic have the same type of automatic that the mazda3 and the VW have?

automatic shifting logic and a sequential shift gate for responsive manual shifting ability without a clutch.

Thanks

jchan2

There will be no sequential shift gate.

That feature is reserved for the Canada Only Acura EL.

viva_unix

So, what is an "invoice price"? Is it the price that dealer pay? I saw TMV here on edmunds, is it what I need to expect from a dealer?

blane:
Thanks for links. I am reading them now...

blueiedgod

Will the new civic have the same type of automatic that the mazda3 and the VW have?

automatic shifting logic and a sequential shift gate for responsive manual shifting ability without a clutch.

Thanks

The RESPONSIVE and TORQUE CONVERTER don't belong in the same santence. What is wrong with a clutch?

biker4

I was making a comment on the mentioned "nooone one will pay MSRP".

There's probably people who still pay sticker on a Chevy.

biker4

I'm sorry sir but you have no clue of what you say. :mad:

Biker, who has lived in Europe until recently where the Civic (or any other car for that matter) is certainly not cheaper.

biker4

The invoice is what suposedly the dealer is invoiced by the maker - but is not what they really pay. With the various ways makers lavish their dealers with kickbacks it is very difficult to say what the dealer really pays for a car.

stupidfool

5 more days
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till dealership recieves coupes , they already recieved the sedans

shan329

Who says they already have the sedans?

gearjammer62

You won't get invoice on an '06 right away, but you won't be paying MSRP, either (maybe on the Si for a while). My local dealer has already said they know the new Civic will be more popular, but they will still have to be competitive to sell them. There are over 25 different competing models in the Civic's size and price class. Honda doesn't have the compact car market to themselves.

When Toyota, VW, Mitsubishi, Hyundai, Nissan - and all the GM and Ford brands - all have dealerships right across the street from Honda , and you've got 4 Honda dealers in your city, as they do where I live, then you'll see dealing - guaranteed. They may gouge a few folks on the first couple of shipments, but you'll start seeing some discounting, but not invoice, pretty soon thereafter.

steveoregon

"some" dealerships have already recieved the sedans.

College Hills Honda in Ohio for example. Do a search for their website.

Steve

stupidfool

called them? ya i called them

rahooo

Russell and Bale Honda in Little Rock, AR has ONE CIVIC SEDAN EACH as of 9/10/05

igor2

I was really excited for the HB Civic.. but it seems to have been lost on the trip overthe pond.. anyone has any info whether the HB will ever make it? I think it looks hot and.. well at least for me without a HB or Wagon, Civic, like Corolla, Neon, or Cobalt.. is nonexistent to me...

anyways I hope someone has some info..

Igor

bigal3

3 years ago, the exchange rate was 1 EURO = US$0.85. Today, the exhange rate is 1 EURO = US$1.24. The value of US$ has already depreciated more than 45% compare to EURO.

For the same value car, people in US will have pay 45% in US$ compare to people paying in EURO.

It is only simple arithmatic.

iwantonetoo

I called two dealers in my area, south of Boston, and they both said the new Civics will be in about the 1st of October. And Boch Honda is supposedly the second largest selling dealer in the US. I was hoping to see one next week.

viva_unix

I am from Ohio. My dealer say they will have Civic 2006 (Sedan and Coupe) at 15 of September.

rahooo

99% of these salesmen at dealers dont know crap about the cars they sell. its sad when the customer comes into the showroom knowing more about a particular car than the salesman. they should have to go through a session when a new car is released that teaches them about that car inside and out

micweb

It's not just the salespeople. The mechanics at the drive through lube at my Honda dealer were trying to tell me a few months ago that all the Civics were going to have 200 hp engines...I tried to say I thought that was just the Si, but they didn't want to hear it. They thought the Si would be more.

And these are young workers who love Hondas and have their personal cars snazzed up.

BTW, Consumer Guide has some test results up based on driving preview models . The ratings are quite good, especially on quiet. The thing that surprised me, was that the EX is rating higher on handling. Honda has released information that the Coupe (not the Si) gets a 20% firmer suspension, but CG indicates the EX sedan handles much better than the LX sedan (which are the same on paper, except tires and wheels). Could that all be due to the tires and wheels, or is Honda sneaking in a firmer suspension on the EX model? I wish they'd spell things out. Ford, at least, tells customers, in their brochures, that all Focii had Euro suspension, but the SES has "enhanced Euro" which is at least the addition of a rear sway bar....

Oh well.

alpha01

I appreciate your detailed post, however, please accept my apology- I meant 3i.

A 3i with A/T, moonroof, SAB/SAC, ABS, 16 inch alloys... is right around 19.7K.

~alpha

backy

backy, "The Forums Test Drive Team" #166, 10 Sep 2005 5:26 pm

backy

From what I can tell at Edmunds.com, the '06 Mazda3i Touring with A/T sport shift, moonroof, 6 CD changer, SAB/SAC, ABS, power package, and 16 inch alloys lists for $18,735.

dudleyr

Does the DX have A/C standard this year? I noticed the Accord DX does for 2006.

stupidfool

i don't think so dude but i might be wrong

307web

No, you need to get an LX for factory A/C on 2006 Civics. No Value Package for 2006 Civics. You must get an LX for more than bare essentials.
No standard radio in DX either.
Just get an LX.

thegraduate

The Accord is no longer offered in DX trim. The base model is now a "Value Package" model that lists for around $2,000 higher than the 2005 DX, the VP at $18,225. As far as the DX Civic, I believe that air conditioning remains an option, and that is one place where Honda cheaped out (Assuming that the car with no air lists for around $14,000).

steveoregon

Beaverton Honda (suburb of Portland Oregon), had two of them on their off-site lot today.

Took my own photo here (note people with salesman in front):
http://www.cotse.net/users/redirect/06Civic.JPG

Also, here is the full size photo of the window sticker (700kb):

http://www.cotse.net/users/redirect/Sticker.JPG

Note on the sticker that we are getting ones built in Japan:
"Final Assembly Point" is "Suzika, MIE, Japan".

stupidfool

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steveoregon

Sorry about that, try this:

http://www.justmyfolder.com/Sticker.JPG

http://www.justmyfolder.com/06Civic.JPG

stickguy

Assuming the seats fit like a glove, it sounds like just what I need. All the private reviews popping up on line have been very positive, and it seems to excel at the areas I am concerned about (steering, cluth/shifter, composed ride, good visibility.

If nothing else, the aux jack for my ipod is a winner. FM modulation just doesn't work worth diddle near me.

I seung through the lot of a local large dealer about 5:00 today (in NJ). DIdn't see any, but I didn't search too hard, since the wife was with me.

Will definitely take a trip out Monday at lunch to scope out in person, and hopefully drive an EX 5 speed.

stickguy

one more thing, since no formal reviews of the EX seem to exist, but can anyone that has driven a 5 speed give approx. RPMs at 60? I'm tired of driving a buzz bomb on the highway.

It is irking me that every review (Edmunds, TOV, all the car mags) have been of the Si, and the sedan/coupe get no more than passing mention. Yes, I know that the Si is the enthusiest model, but mainstream cars are hitting now, and the Si won't be out until DEc. and will still be less than 10% of sales most likely.