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Well, no. But I was awfully embarrassed when my brother's 1969 Nova ran out of gas and coasted to a stop on the overpass in Springfield Missouri as I was driving it following the Uhaul while helping him move 33 years ago (or so). And it didn't help that I had told him it was riding on empty and that he was the one who insisted, "Oh, it'll make it!"
I never ran out of gas in any of my own vehicles! Yea, I'm cool... :shades:
At least I survived that harrowing ordeal although it took about all my natural innate talents and years of driving experience to regain control of the beast.
No it is not. While a particular problem could have been fixed, that does not address the lack of quality control and sloppy assembly work that could have caused that. Where is the guarantee that the same assembly error would not happen again?
I'm betting they fired the guy! ;-)
Some people did not.
Recalls are a good thing. I am an engineer myself, and I know that bad things happen. (i personally have known a guy who made a Delta III booster explode).
My point is that compared with my old Hondas that I drove to 200K and beyond with hardly any issues at all I am NOT thrilled about the NATURE of those recalls.
ABS sensors must be installed correctly, period.
Now I need to find an Ocean mist EX for a good price..
A 'non-dead' issue would be one in which there is a problem for which Honda either is not aware of, has no solution for, or is not taking steps to address.
Posting information about recalls is (IMO) non-constructive. Usually, individuals with vehicles affected by the recall ALREADY KNOW about the issue (through contact by the manufacturer). Individuals with vehicles which are NOT affected are then left wondering, "gee, is my van safe to drive?" when there is nothing wrong with it.
Should these problems never have occurred? Sure. Okay. And every vehicle 'should' be perfect from the manufacturer and no defects should ever occur. But as an engineer, you should realize that with a vehicle as complex as any current generation minivan, one simply can't idiot-proof every vehicle component to insure proper assembly.
Are you aware of ANY on-the-road 'incidents' arising from the three recalls you posted?
Ocean Mist? Nice color!
No. I am not a member of NHTSA.
What, as an engineer, I do know, and that is the reason I pointed it out, is that there are defects due to design - poor design, unanticipated use, etc. Sludging problem in Toyotas is an example. Or exploding Firestone tires. Who knew that people will not change oil, or check pressure? Right?
On the other hand there are issues with manufacturing. Screwing thing the wrong way so to speak. Those are harder to get rid of, as it is in the culture, not in a particular design. It worries me a lot that Honda has this kind of issues on their US. plant (bad enough to cause a string of full blown recalls). In my previous experience they have been flawless. I hope to be proven wrong on this one.
Power sliding doors do not work a majority of the time, very similar problem to yours.
Brought it to Honda Dealer, it was working, they couldn't do anything.
Also had slow leak in Tire Pressure Monitor, checked tires, and pressure was off 8lbs.
Honda Dealer said nothing was wrong, no nails or anything, and unless it was flat, they couldn't do anything.
Called Honda Corporate to no Avail, went on line here, went to Michelin, and they sent me back to same Honda Dealer.
Major Run Around.
Make long story short, after a week of constantly re filling air pressure, I threatened lawsuit, and lo and behold, Honda dealer
After consulting with Michelin replaced tire free of charge.
Power doors still not working right, but until they die, I have to live with them.
You are right, First year vehicle, which touring is, have manufactures defects.
I would rather have an 04 Odyssey than an 05 with problems.
And the treatment I received from Honda really shocked me.
Never will I buy a Honda again, unless it was 2-3K cheaper than Hyundai, which is now beating Honda in quality.
Shame on you Honda.
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Really? Over the LONG RUN ??
I am sorry to hear of your problems but it is darn tough to try to fix a problem a dealer can't replicate. It's frustrating to the dealers too.
Customer comes in and says the power doors aren't working right and a tire has a slow leak. A technician and maybe a Service Manager try the operation of the doors over and over and over again. No problems found. Working fine. :confuse:
Take the leaking tire off and dunk it in a water tank to look for a leak. Spend 10 minutes looking for bubbles....nothing!!
They WANT to fix your Odyssey right the first time! You will be mailed a survey from Honda. We live and die by these surveys and "Fixed first time?" is an important question.
Frustrating for both sides and if you buy another brand, they all have problems from time to time too.
I hope they can isolate your problem doors.
The only thing that bothers me is that my knee almost touches the instrument panel on Odyssey. Maybe it is due to my sitting position. Odyssey's front legroom is 40.8 in. Sienna has 42.9 in. Maybe it is just small difference for some people. I just don't feel roomy in Odyssey. Plus EX-L or Touring has sunroof which reduces the front head room from 40.9 in. to 39.2 in. Sienna's front head room is 42 inches. And 39.5 inches with sunroof. That's another reason that I don't want the sunroof. For Odyssey EX-L or Touring, I don't think there is an option to remove the sunroof.
Anyway, just reading from both van's spec, there is no doubt that Sienna is roomier than Odyssey in front seat.
Does anyone have experience on any vehicle with AWD as to how it handles driving on sand? I know my current FWD Caravan bogs down easily, where 4X4 have no problems. Would AWD on sienna help in this instance?
it almost seems like the cable stretched (or the anchors got out of adjustment) and isn't pulling it all the way to latch. anyone know if this is the issue and how to adjust it.
I tried the door jamb and the hook itself, but that didn't do it.
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If you have a vehicle with dual wheels that would be good.
Ken
The important thing on sand is to get traction, so AWD helps a LOT, but as you will sink in anyway, ground clearance is the next big thing.
What are you doing on sand dunes in a minivan?
My 325XiT BMW is absoletuly great on sandy roads, even though it is a darn station wagon. I will not take my Odyssey there.
That's kind of personal dae. Haven't you heard the old saying," Don't come a knocking if that minivan be a rocking."?
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I meant what kind of driving, not the purpose of the trip.
If I were you (or if my wife did not hate Chevy), I would get short GMC Savana with AWD and 5300 V8 (rather OK fuel economy and decent reliability) and give it about 3 inch lift. Tons of options should fit that suspension.
Mmm. Make it a conversion van minus lower body cladding with the lift. Just what I need for my Sierra Nevada trips...
How about the floor height? Did that change with the new 2005?
>Toyota Sienna - 110 pph
>Chrysler Town & Country - 125 pph
>Dodge Caravan - 126 pph
>Kia Sedona - 137 pph
>Nissan Quest - 139 pph
>Chevrolet Venture - 145 pph
>Ford Freestyle - 145 pph
>Honda Odyssey - 175 pph
Understandably, this is a new model year for the Odyssey, but to score so low is rather concerning, is it not? The new $1000 Toyota rebate is drawing us to the Sienna as well, and a Sienna LE-7 with added leather plus DVD was quoted to us for $2000 lower than the Odyssey EX-L + DVD.... Understandably the Odyssey will come with a few more bells and whistles (double power doors for example) but for an extra $2K? Any suggestions and comments appreciated!
I have never understood why premium can be a deal-breaker for so many people. The average driver could pay for the difference in monthly cost by skipping a couple of lattes at Starbucks.
Many people won't pay the extra cents per gallon for premium, but they'll spend $2 on a soft drink at a convenience store....
Are these issues for all trimlines? We're interested in the EX (w/o leather). The van is going to replace a 2002 VW Passat wagon, which was also recommended, but have run into recent problems with it. I don't want to get into a new car that will start having problems right off the bat.
thanks
It seems it'd be better if they're going to offer sliding doors to have both of them to be powered. My wife has some friends w/ vans that have them, and who say they can be annoying when you want the door to close more quickly, ie when its raining.
thanks,
I'm in Canada and have tested two vehicles already. didn't feel much different. maybe, just maybe Sienna is a little bit quieter and smoother. but Odyssey's intenior definitely looks better and more appealing.
the most important is that "side and curtain air bags" options are not available unless i go up to XLE model, which starts with CAD50K.
We need Sienna owners test drive their cars without AC (just use fresh air mode), and see if the air from the vent is hot, warm, or same as outside temperature.
I prefer Odyssey (EX-L) over Sienna (XLE). But I would rather wait one or two years until Honda corrects the "hot air" problem and other defects.
If there is, in fact a problem with that particular Odyssey it should be easy to fix I would think.
Consensus is that it is the poster (and maybe his particular van) that is blowing hot air. Mine does not. I checked. No other issues in my EX.
But that really is a modern myth. The "hot air" issue is someone who has become irritated by an unexpected result from their not-exactly-standard use of the ventilation system. It's a little like the poor lady who could not abide the seats. And also a little like those irritated that the programmable un/locking feature is not included on all Odysseys. None of those are of general concern to most folks. However, each is a real and present irritant to those affected. For them it might mean that they have to get rid of the van and buy something else (or ache for the day when they can).
I'm also afraid that, for each of those people, the desire to force Honda to "do something" will only lead to increased frustration and added irritation while doing little if anything to relieve their issues with the vehicle. Sometimes, it is simply necessary to cut your losses and either learn to live with the situation or sell (even at a loss) so that you can move on.
I can also say with assurance that, even if Honda really is affected by any groundswell of consumer support you might be able to drum up, it will result in low-key changes that will not help you personally in the slightest (nor will you feel any self satisfaction from your efforts, so disconnected will the effect be from the cause).
I'm sorry you are not happy, but advise that continued "warring" on Honda is probably counterproductive for your own wellbeing. As always, such free advice may well be worth to you only as much as it cost....
If I had known, i would have bought the xle
Long story short, unfortunately, I didn't have all of these, and had the screen replaced, so far so good, however, there's a rattling/vibrating sound coming from engine compartment when its idling or pressing accelerator. Its at the dealer now...
If VW seems to know about such a problem w/ the 1.8T, shouldn't there be TSB?
Sorry about the VW tangent...I'd really like to get the Ody EX, just have that once bitten twice shy feeling. Is the LX and EX (w/o leather) have a different engine than the '04 Ody?
Can the rear thermostat be controlled by the driver's settings? The dealer said it was, however there's controls in the back, just curious his comment seemed confusing.
Also, does the Ody have a windshield wiper deicer like the Sienna?
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If never fails to amaze me what a big deal some people can make out of the smallest thing....small to the masses anyway.
Personally, I am now completely spoiled by auto-locking/unlocking on both my 2003 vehicles: a Yukon XL SLE (the base model) and a Taurus SES (a Taurus, mind you!). I'm even just a tiny bit miffed that the Taurus has the feature, but doesn't allow the same range of programming options as the YXL (though I use only the one I like best on the Yukon, I did get to make the choice!).
I am also quite surprised that Honda would include that feature on only one model in an apparent attempt to help justify the expense of the most expensive version. I can think of no other reason as it undoubtedly costs them more money to make the different with/without versions than it would to include this simple feature on all trim levels.
My only point is that railing against Honda over these matters is undoubtedly personally more harmful than helpful: tilting at windmills.
Well, all the '05 Odys (as well as the '04) have a SOHC 3.5l V6 with identical bore/stroke. The LX and EX '05 (like the EX-L and Touring) engines are rated at 255hp whereas the '04 engines were rated at 240hp. From that standpoint, the '05 engines are different from the '04. However, I think the only differences where in the intake and exhaust system and perhaps some slight tweeking to the VTEC system.
That being said, the VCM system on the EX-L and Touring is simply an offshoot of the VTEC technology. In that sense, I would expect the VCM system to be as reliable as VTEC. What is not known is the long-term reliablity of the special engine mounts and noise cancellation technolgy which is specific to the VCM or the long-term effects of cylinder shutdown (at least in regards to US spec engines). However, VCM technology has been used for a few years on some JDM Hondas so the technology isn't COMPLETELY new. I don't know if this eases your mind about the VCM technology or not.
"Can the rear thermostat be controlled by the driver's settings?"
I don't know about the LX and EX. However, with the EX-L, you can control the rear fan speed from the front HVAC control panel. You cannot control the rear thermostat or where the air is going (upper vents, lower vents, or mix) from the front. On the Touring, you can set everything from the front HVAC control panel (3 zone automatic climate control).
"Also, does the Ody have a windshield wiper deicer like the Sienna?"
I'm not sure but I don't think so.