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http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/live/article/378750--vw-golf-on-the-double
2010 Golf Wagon (CAN)
2010 Jetta Sportswagen (USA/Mexico)
2010 Golf Variant (EU/AUS/NZ ect.)
2010 Golf Estate (UK)
All the same.
The first two are manufactured at the VW plant in Mexico. There have been some instances of Sportwagens with the Golf badge sold in the US [Whoops!]
All of course are direct descendants of the famed VW Type 3 Variant [EU, rest of world] or Squareback [US] wagon from the early 1960's.
and compare it to http://www.vw.ca for Canada
and also compare it to http://www.vw.com for the US.
Canada and UK models have fog lights in the front, for example.
All can have the TDI Diesel option - go for it.
IM LOOKING INTO THE JETTA WAGON TDI. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PRICES PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR IT. IM LOCATED IN CA BUT MAY BUY OUTSIDE THE STATE
ALSO..... HOW IS THE MAITENENCE ON THIS VEHICLE. VW DOESNT HAVE THE BEST REPUTATION, HAS THIS CHANGED?
THANKS
Hey, what did we do wrong?!
I.e., lose the all-caps in your posts lest we think you're shouting angrily at your fellow Edmundsers.
My dealer called yesterday to inform me that production of my red 4DR manual Golf TDI has begun (or will begin soon).
ETA: Early May, possibly late April.
I put my deposit down in August. Agreed on MSRP.
CAN'T FREAKIN' WAIT!
This is exactly the car I'd pick if they were readily available and not treated as rare objects of art by the dealers.
I'm sure you'll enjoy it; please keep us posted.
I'll bet you're excited -- enjoy! :shades:
Assuming I don't need touch screen, alloys, and a trip computer, why would I want a TDI over a gas engine (base TDI vs base 'S').
100k miles in gas car - 11,000 dollars in gas + 20K car = 31000 (25mpg, 2.75/gallon)
100k miles in diesel car - 7800 in fuel. + 25k car = 32800 (37mpg, 2.90 / gallon)
So even after Obama benefit, we're about equal after 100K miles.
Bottom line - Diesel shouldn't be a "luxury". It should be an engine choice. I ought to be able to get a Sportwagen diesel for not much more than the 2.5L.
Am I all wet? Unless I'm looking at 200K miles, why would I want the diesel?
Tom
1. Some of us expect a LOT more than 100 or 200K out of this vehicle. Diesel engines can easily do 300 K, or even 500K. If one intends to KEEP the car as long as it can go, (which I do) and the car is well maintained, kept and cared for (I try to do so and most everything I have lasts a long time by careful, gentle and proper use), for me, personally, the diesel is a "log-term" way to go.
2. As Gagrice said, when gas is back to ~ 4 dollar mark, and diesel is about same or barely more than Premium gas that others put in their premium cars, a few cents more net you 12 more MPG over those 25 (almost 50% more miles!
3. Despite the problems with BioDiesel since the 2009 Jetta, etc...if push really comes to shove, and gas is really scarce...some folks have rigged up biodiesel and one will at least run the thing, even if a "Check Engine Light" happens or oil gets diluted and one has tochange oil more, etc. If things get REALLY hard, running vs. unable to get gas to even run will be an issue.
That may be hard for us to imagine now...but if one travels abroad, and sees how others live and get by and do "the survival things in life"...one has a viable option...
Just my personal opinion and circumstance and choice, based on what I've seeen around the world and see coming down the road.....
:shades:
If you decide for any reason not to take delivery, you will get your full deposit back.
that fact is not up for 'negotiation' as far as I know!
I'm not opposed to the TDI, but you're smart to weigh the facts. We're running a similar analysis with Jetta Sportwagen TDI v. Subaru Forester -- both with a manual tranny. My wife loves rowing through the gears and wants a nice, durable interior. The TDI's upscale cabin wins hands down. I figure it'll take 7 years of her modest driving mileage before TDI breaks even, but we're still attracted to the TDI. Time for some test driving.
You did not state price paid, so the deal you obtained may be great to you and not so great for others. Your happy with the price so enjoy the car!
What color and options did you obtain? Did you get the body kit?
So far I have not heard from them, I guess business is booming.
And what is with the brakes wearing out so quickly? I hear the rears are lucky to reach 50k miles. What is that all about except some rather screwed up engineering? A new TDI here in Wisconsin looks to cost me around 28 grand. A simple oil change at the dealer is 72 bucks. Four a year is $300 minimum with tax, etc. I paid $21 just yesterday at the dealer for my Chevy. (With a coupon).
That's 14 oil changes!
I long to see 40+ MPG in a vehicle with power. I really do. I have squeezed 30.5 from my Camaro on long trips. It is paid for, in excellent condition, looks great, but is 11 years old now. The insurance value is a lousy 3 grand. In far better shape than cars 3X that value.
So that is my conundrum. Thanks for any replies, thoughts, suggestions.
Plus the oil change on the TDI is every 10K if I remember correctly. While on your Chevy it is 5k or less.
TDI pricing begins at $23,104, even in Wisconsin. There is a $1300 or higher tax credit on Golf and Jetta at least until June.
Oil changes are every 10,000 miles.
Oil and filter cost is just about $50 right now. Not inexpensive, cost may be lower in the future as more oil choices are available.
Like any manufacturer, dealers are independent franchise, so some service departments are great and others are not.
Independent shops are able to service VW's and TDI's with the qualification that a shop specializing in German or European makes will be the one that has the experience and tools to provide competent, quality service.
VW dealers and Euro focused repair shops are much more scarce compared to GM, Ford, Chrysler, or even Toyota dealers and shops. No doubt about it, VW sells fewer vehicles and some areas have no dealer and no competent shop to be found.
Brake longevity varies dependent on driving style and type of driving. Typically the pads will require replacement before 50,000 miles. Today's pads are engineered to provide best performance with minimal dust, noise, and still being "environmentally friendly. Longer lasting, harder compound pads are available from aftermarket. Nothing wrong with the engineering, the brakes work correctly.
Bottom line, it's a VW, and it's not only a diesel, it's the most complicated, high tech diesel VW has ever sold.
VW TDI ownership requires a level of interest and involvement that exceeds the "drive it, change the oil and forget about the details" mindset that may work for a Malibu, though will lead to a "I hate this VW, miserable experience" if expectations are that TDI is just a vehicle that uses a different type of fuel. It is not the right vehicle for everyone.
Parts are more costly and some service is more expensive and more frequent comparing a VW to a Chevrolet.
Currently own a VW TDI, a U.S. assembled Japanese design vehicle, and a GM vehicle. Over the roughly 30 years of owning, driving, maintaining my vehicles I've found the German vehicles provide me with the most driving enjoyment and my anecdotal experience is that German, Domestic, Japanese vehicles all have about the same number of problems, though it requires more time to understand how to repair and to find a reasonable cost for parts for the Japanese and German vehicles than it does the domestic.
If you have no interest in doing some homework about your vehicle periodically to maintain knowledge, then VW TDI may not be for you.
Do you or anyone else have suggestion on where to go for a good primer/spin up? I've done brakes (once) , changed oil, changed a fuel filter, fan belt, done some electrical on older cars but would like some good gouge on TDI. Once I use up the 3 free services on my '10 TDI Sportwagen, I'm hoping to do much of the routine stuff myself.
Thanks
Moparbad (in VW sales?) uses the warning phrase "forget about the details" in what type of driver should not buy a TDI. First, tell me VW is not actively encouraging exactly that by including standard maintenance for 3 years. Next, besides keeping your car well maintained and keeping up on TSB's, what else is there? Some VW Zen I am not attuned to? And I just do not agree something is not goofed up on the brakes. In the non-VW world fronts wear before rears, and rears can go way past 50k. These must be some tiny pads (I have not seen them)
and the braking differential VW chose is odd.
Last: does anyone here own a TDI in a true winter part of the country? what is your experience with heat waiting time with a cold-cold engine? In 5 minutes, I expect enough heat to begin clearing the windshield. I mean zero degrees frozen snow kind of conditions. The heated seats are nice, but don't clear windows.
thanks again.
The mirror defrosters are phenomenal - ie turn them on after start the car, and by the time you're half done scraping the heavy frost , both mirrors are clear.
I owned my TDIs in a true winter part of the country, with some 0F mornings most winters. The heat waiting time on a 0F cold-cold engine is infinite at idle - the engine will never warm up whatsoever like that.
the electric-heater may provides enough heat to help you scrape a small portion of the windshield after 5 minutes, if you set the controls properly.
On the brutally cold days, it will take more than 15 minutes for the car to provide adequate heat - with highway driving. On backroads/suburban-easy-cruising, the coolant may not fully warm up for a half hour or more.
Consider the bun-warmer option as *mandatory* for cold climates.
Also some TDI people use foam/tubes to cover up part of the grille during the winter, to allow for faster warmup. (i don't.)
I've had about 400k on TDIs so far without anything but normal maintenance - except:
Passat TDI I sold to a friend had an unanticipated $2k required-maintenance due to bad "oil chain" design however. VW now sells a gear system to replace that - every surviving USA passat TDI will need that $2K job done around 100k, in addition to the $1k waterpump! imho that is not acceptable and would put me off VWs if I hadn't had such good luck with the other 3 TDIs.
as for brakes, my understanding/experience is that ABS allows manufacturers to optimize brake bias to use rear-brakes more than front under light braking. so drivers who avoid heavy braking due to more "predictive" driving may tend to wear out the rear pads faster than the front.
some folks here have disagreed with that, but a couple of actual auto technicians have agreed.
I hate to knock the car all here like so much. For me it sounds like a 90% pro, 10% con. But the 10% is a freezing cold, iced exterior windshield, frosted interior windshield, recurring, not enjoyable experience. Harder to reconcile than a healthcare refrom bill. I'll keep thinking about it, read Fred's, reviews, and these forums. Maybe I can switch to my wife's Corolla on certain days. her drive is much shorter and tthat thing has, of course, excellent heat. Thanks again.
I would change the oil at a six month interval if you're taking 9 months to drive the recommended 10k. The dealer/garage won't mind the extra work and money. I just traded my 2000 TDI Beetle in for a 2010 TDI JSW. The beetle had 138K and oil changed around every 10K except for the last two years. Just wasn't driving as much since the kids don't have to hauled around.
As for brakes, my beetle went through the rear rotors around 25K, just out of warrenty and only a couple 1000 miles after service. There was a TSB that the VW garage forgot to read or I would not have had to replace rotors, too. Due to the braking sdsitribution, the rear brakes took much more of the strain than the fronts. I did rears about every 30K and did the fronts for the first time at 125K. Each car is different. I had a 1984 S10 that shelled the engine at 120K and I never replaced the brakes.
Oh, to keep with the spirit of this thread:
2010 JSW TDI with DSG and mat kit
Sticker: $26885
Tax/Title/Tag/Dealer fees: $1400
Trade: $3200
Out the door: $24272
Dropped $885 off the sticker, so about paid for the DSG. Good overall purchase without even asking about extended warranty or service plan. See Clovis at Carolina VW in Charlotte.
My dealer contacted me today to let me know that the new ETA is April 12th!
Earlier than expected...just a week from this coming Monday!
More updates coming...keep posted!
I did get a chance to drive it around for about a half an hour yesterday. My girlfriend bought a manual 2009 Jetta Sportwagen in August. While the cabin is very similar, I was surprised how different the driving experience was. From the awesome seats, to the wonderful leather wrapped steering wheel...it really felt different.
Also, the shorter wheel base was discernible. And while the car sounded different from my girlfriend's gas Jetta, it wasn't louder. It's got some nice get up and go!
4DR
Tornado Red
Manual six speed
Protection Kit
Cold Weather Package
MSRP: $24354.00
Total out the door with T&L, Doc Fee, Sales Tax:
$26,535.94
Thanks
that seems like a decent deal to me and similar to the deals I've negotiated for my fleet of 03-06 TDIs, usually with trade-in.
btw, those 400 miles are probably dealer/demo miles.
but if the car has been titled before that's another story - I'd reevaluate in that case.
you sure are going to enjoy that car, especially with the manual transmission, dude! G35X must have had a slushbox transmission, eh?
cheers..
/e
Thanks for the advice. Drove the manual/auto transmission on TDI and it was pretty awesome. G35X is a little sluggish transmission but it down shifts and holds rev in corners. You can corner faster but also wears on brakes. 280hp is heavy and brake pads don't last long.
I did my research through autotrader and see who came out with good bids. I can't give you mine that I'm still working on but this dealer made the same deal. He was out of state. The dealer is Bommarito VW and the website is http://www.bommaritovwhazelwood.com/
Ask for Charles Gilbert.
Hope he gives you a great deal.