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C&D also said it never felt lacking, especially rolling acceleration.
swampy is going to sue for trade mark violation. He does own the quick post. ;-)
-juice
John
Bob
But the B9 Scrambler is still mine. LOL
-juice
gotta watch juice .. <eagle eyes peeled>
http://www.subiegal.com/images/events/subaru_b9tribeca/b9tribeca.- htm
She indicated that the car seemed to be very well recieved by those attending the show, judging by the comments she overheard there.
Bob
2nd row is very good for 3 adults.
two things i notices that no one mentioned in this forum
1.
2nd sliding row is two stage. 1st stage when people are in 3rd row. 2nd stage when no one is in 3rd clever. clever safety feature.
2.
2nd row access is sort of curvy allowing easy access for passengers to get in & get out. Nice touch here.
3. Leather quality is top notch, comparable to europeons.
Good catch. I wasn't aware of that.
Also, you can only access the 3rd-row seating from curbside, again a safety feature.
Bob
I am real interested to see how the seat works in the 5-passenger version. It would be nice to still have the 8 inches of travel, to choose between cargo room or leg room.
Craig
Craig
Same thinking as in closing the moonroof on Subies.
I am real interested to see how the seat works in the 5-passenger version. It would be nice to still have the 8 inches of travel, to choose between cargo room or leg room.
Me too. I do hope they keep that feature on 5-passenger models, as I think accessing that cargo hold might be easier via the side doors, than from the rear hatch.
Bob
at RI show, i asked about price. i was told base starts from low 30s & fully loaded at 38-39k.
2.
I was also told that 5-seaters will be available limited.
3.
I am impressed & i am buying one to replace my MPV by end of 2005
HIghlander
1. has sliding 2nd row ? see pic
2. Headrests don't need removal.
3. 60/40 2nd row split.
Remember, In tribeca, 2nd row though split as 3 seats which can be folded. when sliding, it is only 60-40
2005 HIGHLANDER Highlander 4-dr Limited 4x4 SUV w/ 3rd Row 5-Speed Automatic
Base Price:* $31,380
Delivery, Processing
& Handling Fee:** $565
Options: $5,210
Accessories: $1,979
Total MSRP:*** $39,134
The Tribeca beats it hands down, theres not even a question where my $39K would go.
~alpha
I was just showing if highlander can command 39k msrp, why not Tribeca which is so much better is so many respects ?
Bob
They are positioning themselves between bread & butter and LUX automobiles. Look at Legacy & Outback, they are placed just right between the 2 categories. They are doing the same with Tribeca - it will be more expensive than Pilot & highlander but cheaper than MDX, RX & X5.
in RI show, i saw the MDX was priced at 45k. what a joke.
Also, the 2nd row split in 2, while the Tribeca splits in 3, allowing for a center pass-through. Can't do that in the Toy.
And there isn't room for your feet under the 2nd row seat. So it's less comfortable back there.
Toyota doesn't provide free roadside assistance, Subaru gives you 3 years for free.
Four functional advantages for the Subie.
But beyond that, the Highlander feels basic, while the Subie feels more luxurious. IMO it's closer to the Lexus RX330 in design and overall feel.
-juice
just 39,999 to go to make quota
Same thinking as in closing the moonroof on Subies.
my kinda car if the 3rd row passengers legs are going thru the moonroof :-)
At the other end of the spectrum I think one car mag estimated 18/24.
My guess is something inbetween. Maybe 19/24 or 19/25.
-juice
Exterior styling was exactly what I expected. Everyone will get something different out of a photograph, but, to my eye, the camera didn't lie.
Dashboard went from excellent to very good. The faux metal trim proved to be too much for my tastes. The interior is still impressive, though.
Marketing Rep was generally well-informed. The one I spoke with confirmed that the weights I'd been reading are for the loaded (or near loaded) vehicle. I had a nagging fear that the 4,200+ lbs I'd been seeing was in fact a base weight and that adding electronics and a 3rd row would increase it. The opposite is true. Eliminating features will drop the weight. Good news.
Cargo space is good. The folded second row left some fairly large gaps in the cargo floor, but I guess it's possible the seat was not pushed all the way back before folding (?) If it moves in 4" increments as described above, I'd have to say that was not the problem.
Marketing Rep said that pricing was still guess work, but they had it narrowed down a bit. I quoted $30-40K. He came back with $31-38 and change. He further stated that no trim level would hit $40K.
The photos Bob posted were actually quite nice. The shot from up above shows off the sloping roofline. I'm a sucker for that since my Legacy GT wagon has a similar roofline.
Anyone notice that the Tribeca rides on Goodyears? I thought Subaru used Bridgestone exlusively.
Ken
have you seen/felt/driven Tribeca ?
have you seen/felt/driven Tribeca ?
And we can say the same about your comments.
For me, if a vehicles interior makes me vomit, I dont personally care how well the climate control works or how warm the heated mirrors become.
~alpha
Why does this matter?
Because I have two child safety seats nicely fastened. I can load long cargo without removing the child seats.
In a 60/40 split fold you cannot. You'd have to remove one of the kids seats. Never mind if there is a kid actually IN the seat, you'd have to remove and reinstall the safety seat even if there isn't!
Major inconvenience when you see how hard it is to fasten those seats securely.
varm: did Honda show the Ridgeline in RI? What did you think?
I thought HAL, the auto climate control computer, was tamed for the later models. New Forester owners haven't been complaining. We have to wait and see what the Tribeca gets.
I love my Forester's firm seats (98 Forester L), but I'll admit I do not really like my wife's spongy seats (02 Legacy L). But they're all different, we can't generalize like that and say they are all bad/all good. No way.
Ours differ radically. And the Tribeca's aren't like either one, they're sort of inbetween.
Subaru's heated mirrors work, that's the bottom line. Driving with Bob up to Philly in some nasty rain, the mirrors kept totally clear even from water.
Steam? Really? Sounds defective to me. Go get that checked out! ;-)
Gas tank size isn't the real issue, range is. Let's see what the highway mileage is first.
Highlander hybrid will MSRP for $42k or so with DVD/Nav/leather, and go ahead and get in line to pay full MSRP if you can get one this year at all. So pay about $5 grand more, street price, if you can even get one in the next 6 months (doubtful).
Steal market share? No, instead we'll see the segment continue to expand. People are buying fewer cars and getting these instead.
-juice
So that just doesn't apply at all.
Hybrids demand full MSRP, so that $4k difference would likely swell.
-juice
Comparing a vehicle to one that hasn't even been tested is not worth conversing about.
Craig
Ken
-Joe
I do think that the driving experience of the Tribeca will be a lot different, much more involving, leaning more towards sport vs. isolation. Subaru promised that, and C&D and Motor Trend seem to agree.
In essence the character of the two will be significantly different.
With a pessimistic 18/24 mpg estimate, let's say that's 21 mpg combined.
That 7mpg savings will take you longer than the life of the battery pack to recover your investment. By that I mean you never will.
But I digress, hybrids aren't really about an economic advantage, it's about having tons of range, producing fewer emissions, and using less imported oil.
On those merits they're very appealing to me.
-juice
There is a whole new marketing angle SoA needs to exploit, here. Tribeca apparently offers something Honda Pilot owners only dream of!
;-) Mark
I was just pointing out that both Subarus that I had / have were nice and reliable cars, but both are an exercise in frustration when it comes to spending time inside of them. Every Toyota / Lexus that I had / have, are simply get in, start, and drive. The attention to detail that Subaru chooses to omit, is what makes it a second rate automobile, not a bad automobile, just not premium. After all, my FXT is a 2004, and you would think they would get things right, but still...(this is in addition to my previous list)
- no Retained Accessory power in a $25K car
- slow as molasses power windows
- retarded color of the gauge needles
- poor gauge cluster lighting
- zero sound insulation
- un-lighted visor mirrors
- no telescopic steering wheel
- no padded armrest
- useless sun shading strip on the windshield
- very poor drive-by-wire throttle calibration
- no traction / stability control even as an option
I can go on, but my point is, Subaru didn't take the TIME and EFFORT to address these and other DETAILS that would make this a truly awesome car. And it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to design things right - as a matter of fact some of these omissions can be fixed virtually at no cost, but it would certainly help Subaru present itself as a viable competitor to the established market leaders.
Sly
why do people insist on using that word ???