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It is impressive what Mazda has done with these models; however, both of cars are in completely different car segments than Toyota Corolla.
Mazda 2 is a Toyota Yaris competitor, and Mazda 6 is Toyota Avensis competitor.
If you compare Mazda 2 (1.5l) engine and Yaris (1.5l) engine from USA you will see that both cars have the same fuel economy of 5.9l/100km. Dimensions are about the same with Yaris taller and Mazda 2 longer.
Toyota Yaris - L/H/W - 3750/1530/1695 Mazda2 - L/H/W - 3895/1475/1695.
If you compare 1.4l diesel engines of both cars, Mazda 2 has smaller advantage 4.3l/100km compared to 4.5l/100km for Yaris.
It is a fact that Mazda 2 became car of the year in Japan and many European countries.
On the other hand, new Mazda 6 has 1.8l engine with 120hp. It is impressive that last gen. Mazda 6 used the same engine; however, fuel economy was worst.
Statistics: 1.8l engine/120hp - previous gen (7.7l/100km) New gen. (6.8-7l/100km)
It is very impressive because they went from 30.7MPG (prev. gen.) to 34.7MPG (new gen.)
Good find moparbad!
I've never seen it on LEs and 90% of the time only the XLEV6 and Hybrids had VSC included in the region's available option packages.
The brochure and main Toyota website lists VSC as an option for all Camrys, but VSC really will not be made available for all Camry trims in all regions.
Most likely, this will also be the case for the 2009 Corolla.
Unfortunately, unlike a Dodge or Ford, you cannot go through the options list and have them build a single vehicle for you with the options you want. You have to take what your region gets. For example, many buyers may want to buy a Camry LE 4 cylinder with VSC and JBL stereo. Those options are listed as being available options choices for the LE on the Toyota website, but you still can't get it because they don't build them.
As regards the 'all-new' nomenclature it's true in that this family is the newest of the small I4s having dual VVT-i. This family is the 'ZR' family as opposed to the 'ZZ' family which was in the outgoing Corolla. Here is Wikipedia's listing of Toyota engines click on ZR.
If the market acceptance of the GR ( V6 ) engines and the UR ( 5.7L V8 ) are any indication this new family of I4s, the ZR's, should be very favorable... as indicated by the reviews from overseas.
One other characteristic of Toyota that is frustrating to many within and without is that Toyota often advances by baby steps, rarely by giant leaps. The GR family of V6s was a HUGE step for them. The Prius and HSD obviously. But listening to all the chatter about how the with the T100 and Tundra1 it took Toyota 10+ years to build a 'real truck' sounds a lot like these commentaries.
There are other technologies available to be added to these engines and drivetrains such as Valvematic. We should get them as another step forward at some time soon. Shooting all the ammunition in the first volley leaves nothing left. I do think that they 'hold back' on a lot of capabilities.
Rear disc brakes help reduce brake fade, don't they? Also don't discs grip better when wet?
ESC is standard on the top-end Civic, just like it's standard on the top-end Corolla. Mazda3 offers ESC; others like Nissan are lagging however. I think it would have been a good step (marketing wise and safety wise) for Toyota to start moving towards greater availability of ESC/VSC with the 2009 Corolla, since it will be mandated within a couple of years anyway. It should certainly be standard on the Camry by now. (Is it even standard on the Avalon?) But that's another story, and discussion.
As for the "choice" offered by Toyota, some is real choice e.g. the optional 2.4L engine (albeit some competitors like Hoinda, Mazda, and Nissan offer multipe engines in this class also, with more power than the old 2.4L unit) and nav; some is illusiionary, i.e. having a separate trim line to get power windows rather than just making them an option, or even standard. Choice is good when it's a significant choice. I find Toyota's plethora of trims on the new Corolla more confusing than helpful. Why not just one base trim line (call it CE or LE or whatever), with a good dollop of standard equipment and some options like leather and nav, S (sporty but with the 1.8L engine), and XRS (with the bigger engine)? If they really need a strippo model for loss leader purposes or for those 12 people (or so) who must have a strippo car no matter what, they could have an option package for the base trim that easily adds the equipment most people want, e.g. power package, cruise, remote locking.
Maybe it was expecting too much of Toyota (but "erroneous"? How can a wish be erroneous?) to hope that the 2009 Corolla would set a new standard in this segment. My thought was, the Toyota I once knew has the smarts and the resources to create a Corolla like that. They took six years to bring out the new version of the car that worldwide is their flagship. It's a very competitive segment, with the likes of Honda, Hyundai, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Subaru, and VW working hard to bring us great choices. Toyota must realize, I figured, their reputation will get them only so far in the midst of that kind of competition. But instead we got a car that seems to be very competent, matches most competitors in many areas, but paves no new ground that I can see. And it's this car that will have to do for the next six years or so--through the next-gen Mazda3 and Civic, which truly are the benchmarks of this class, even through the next-gen Elantra, which should worry Toyota a bit given the huge strides Hyundai has made in the past decade.
Maybe I'll feel differently after I drive the new Corolla. Based on test drive reports I've read, I'm not real hopeful about that, but who knows?
I live in s small town, with the office located in a city with only one dealership each for Honda, Toyota, Mazda, Nissan, Hyundai, VW, etc. Those dealers for Mazda, Nissan, and Hyundai are so bad, I can't buy from them. And the Honda dealer isn't competitive, so I'd travel an hour to buy.
I'm sure Toyota knows the Corolla market better than me, but I'd like to give "the masses" some credit for knowing real innovation (like better handling, mileage, performance) from silly little features (like accessory jacks, navigation, fancy wheels) that get most of the marketing hype.
And yeah, not every car needs to be built for the enthusiast. Some of us are looking primarily for a vehicle that starts & stops on command, can handle a beating mileage-wise, and doesn't mind running on a near-empty tank for a few extra miles.
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Sure I love all cars, but life is to busy with everything else that the car is the last thing I want or need to deal with! That's why the Civic, Corolla, 3 or whatever in this group are all we need...or really want.
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Toyota should have rolled this one out 2 years ago if they wanted to stay with the pack. Sure they probably made more keeping with the current , but that's the kind of logic that cost Henry Ford with his T.
But has the Corolla ever been "with the pack"? Other than Hyundai who appears to be copying the Toyota pattern lately, I am not sure whether anyone has recently tried the Corolla formula (read: boring & dependable) and succeeded. In that sense, the Corolla is maybe in its own class.
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TUNDRATUNDRATUNDRATUNDRA.
Nothing was getting in the way of the Tundra launch. The Corolla here is and always been the 'good soldier' that does the grunt work to bring in buyers to the Toyota family at great low prices and rock solid reliability. It covers the back side of the most important vehicle in the Toyota lineup the Camry so that the Camry can get all the glory and make huge profits. But the Tundra was different. They had mega-Billions riding on the Tundra so the Corolla in NA took a back seat for a year.
Good soldier....and in the meanwhile made huge profits by being the No 2 vehicle in the US.
This is the kind of logic that makes Toyota the 12th largest corporation in the Forbes 2000 Global rankings with more market capitalization than the entire US auto industry combined. Your contrary analysis is noted and filed.
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Now I'm kind of like, wow, did I really see that?! It had to be the Corolla; but if I saw what I saw, how are some of these getting out so early??
For what it's worth, I thought it was a very attractive car! Kind of exciting to see it! :shades:
Mack
Mack
Yeah I ended up with a sunroof on this car. Bought it in January and liked it that first winter (there was a lot of sun for Michigan). But what I notice with the shade open is the cold that comes through the closed glass and the noise from every rain drop that hits the top of that uninsulated roof.
Yes, hungry, not proud, Hyundai is willing to copy/learn from others (just like Japan as a nation did following WWII). That might give an idea as to where to look for under valued cars. (If they could just get a decent dealer around here.)
I seriously doubt "boring" is a goal that leads to the success of any product.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
As you know from late 2006 until the Highlander arrived nothing came out of Toyota that didn't have something to do with the Tundra.
I'd be happy to offer $100 to anyone who can prove I didn't see one! Takers?
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Haha I saw one first!
Also, how did the 12 mpg Tundra get in here? Don't people buy the Corrolla,because of gas milage and it's a practical car? What sets the car off is the radio antenna.
If your'e a kid and want Zoom ,Zoom and all the toys buy Civic SI . If you want all the whistles and bells get a Civic EX L. I don't think the Corrolla has a car that has all the standard features that the Civic offers.
Toyota,tries to hook you on options and drives any knowlegeabe buyer away.When, Hundai,Focus,Mazda,and Civic offer thing like ABS, moon roofs and yes,even the Focus has heated seats as a standard feature.
The Corrolla is dependable,quality and a car for my niece in college, or my mother,or for my grandfather to go to VFW.All the while saving on gas for an extra beer on Fridays.A Corrolla is a car for all the people. :shades:
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2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Toyota is still too conservative to provide the Corrolla with 5 speed auto & Rear disc breaks.
May be its better to wait for MMC Civic (coming Sept 08)
Mahbubur
Hollywood, CA
Lester
1831 5MT......... $15250
1832 4AT......... $16050
1838 4AT LE.... $16650
1840 4AT XLE.. $17750
1833 5MT S..... $16320
1834 4AT S...... $17150
1835 5MT XRS.. $18760
1836 5AT XRS.. $19950
1931 5MT........ ...... $16190
1932 4AT................ $17000
1933 5MT S............ $18260
1934 5AT S............ $19450
1938 4AT S AWD... $20400
1935 5MT XRS........ $20660
1936 5AT XRS........ $21850
Destination is probably extra..not stated either way.
What trim did you order? Did the dealer give you the ball park of the price? I am considering purchase the LE trim with Auto Tran, Alloy Wheels, and VSC, but I don't know and hoping that I can get the above car for 16.5k.
Toyota is the car to buy and drive! I purchased a 2007 Camry Hybrid with fully loaded, and I am loving it!!!!!!!! After 10k miles, I drove to Canada and speeding at 100 MPH and couldn't feel a thing.
So, Toyota is the car and the manufacture to trust!
Anyone know more about prices for the 2009 corolla, please share with all of us.
thanks
Mack
Base price is $16650.00
16 Alloys 580.00
vsc 250.00
ck 150.00
Destination 660.00
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Total price $18,290.00
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