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Ok, the interior is creative, but that likely won't make it to production...like the porky, copy-cat body will.
Rocky
But looks like Ford is playing catch up all over again. They still do not have rear wheel big car in Europe as used to be with Scorpio. Thats why Ford does not have strong image in Europe even though they make best cars.
Rocky
I guess I can't wait until January.
Rocky
Exactly - well, I doubt if anybody on these boards doesn't know about my skepticism over Hybrid technology.....
Still think it strange that Lincoln went to the trouble of increasing displacement from 3.5 to 3.7. Why not just do a twin turbo 3.5? With a 4.2 or 4.3 V8 coming along later, it seems odd they would waste the development time.
Rocky, a twin turbo V6 is unlikely to weigh less than a newly designed nonturbo V8. nor should it get significantly better mileage. Nothing much is for free these days! Lighter weight, better transmissions, and improved computer chip technology all have more to do with it.
Because it's easy to do a NA version of a Turbo engine, it should get better fuel economy and allows two different price points for the same vehicle just like the 5 series, E class, M35/M45, etc. Gotta keep up with the Joneses.
And they want the 3.7L to differentiate it from the other Ford products using the 3.5L. Maybe the MKZ will also ge the 3.7L.
It sounds like the new V8 is several years off and probably wouldn't be ready for the MKS intro.
Likely an attempt to differentiate the car from the Mercury and Ford I would think. And that's good, IMO, even if it's somewhat small. Hopefully the hp will be boosted significantly in this engine.
Like I said in the Volvo S80 furum, maybe I meant to own another car instead of the S80, that I love so much ? Could it be the Lincoln MKS ???? :surprise: Time will tell, eh ?
Rocky
P.S. Have any of you saw the new MKZ commercial ? that car is sharp. Wished it had 300 hp. and I'd take a closer look at it. Maybe Lincoln will let the SVT engineers get a hold of it. Could you imagine a GT500 engine it ? :surprise: WHOA !!!!!!!
I'm also a bit surprised if they truly did (or will) make the engine a 3.7 (since, again, this would take more money, IMHO, than pulling a proven V8 off the shelf), but its really not all that difficult and doesn't have to take much time or money to do it. An increase in displacement can be done any number of ways and most are relatively inexpensive.
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Rocky
they've been using it in the XC90 for a little while now. Its not like it has YEARS of data behind it, but its not fresh off the printing press, either. Besides, I personally have more confidence in ... oh... say ... Ford.
I'm not sure where its made, but for some reason I seem to remember reading that detail somewhere and it wasn't Japan. I could be wrong.
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Making the 3.7 from a 3.5 is easy, relatively speaking. Hot rodders do it all the time (stroked and/or bored).
Wait ... what twin turbo 3.5? I thought this was a theoretical situation? You mean they built one? I can't believe the V8 is $2k more. What does the 3.5 cost without the turbos? $5?
p.s. i fixed the typo now. ya happy? i'm working on 4 hours sleep here, gimme a break, will ya?
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The reason the V8 is $2K more is because it's built by Yamaha in limited quantities. The 3.5L base engine is built in house in what will be very high volume. Think of it like buying an Edelbrock crate motor vs. building one yourself.
If Ford creates a smaller in house V8 in the 4.2-4.3L range it would be much closer to the TT 3.5L as far as cost goes.
Interestingly enough, when Lincoln had that poll on their website a while back about what you'd like in a car, I voted for a twin-turbo 6-cylinder.
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V-6 appears to be more powerful and who doesn't want to hear a little turbo whine and watch a boost guage get buried as you plant your foot into the floor ?
The MKS, will be the resurrection of the Lincoln, brand. It wil "Reach Higher" like their slogan. :shades:
Rocky
I wouldn't go that far, Rocky, although I appreciate your enthusiasm. This vehicle will keep Lincoln in the game and competitive until they can come up with a flagship RWD platform.
if they do it right like the concept they can't lose. The rumor is Lincoln is going to add more gadgets, which means it could have way more Gadgetology than a Acura RL. Lincoln, could very well have the greatest "Gadget Infested" vehicle in the world. So your darn right I'm excited. If Lincoln, can keep the price down on em' and offer all the goodies we will see a major resurrection at Lincoln, and a gain in market-share. Cadillac, has over priced the STS, and this one could undercut it by thousands of dollars.
Rocky
So, great for you and Lincoln that you like it, but this too cautious approach is not going to resurrect Lincoln by itself. Especially with all the similarly styled and equipped models already on the market.
The STS goes its own way, and you are right that it is too expensive for the market that is only now beginning to see American cars as competition for Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura. And now Hyundai is considering putting out a luxury marque. Alfa will return with better designed cars. The recent Paris show demonstrates may creative luxury rides being proposed which render the MKS genre even less noticable by the time of its belated release.
I am cheering Lincoln's effort on nonetheless. But the MKS seems one of those dumbed down, too careful focus group efforts that was approved before the recent regime change and realization that Lincoln's self-assured decisionmakers have been killing their own company.
gregg, not to pick a arguement I'd like to know what the yawners see wrong with the car ? Is it not racy enough like a BMW, or something ????
So, great for you and Lincoln that you like it, but this too cautious approach is not going to resurrect Lincoln by itself. Especially with all the similarly styled and equipped models already on the market.
What could they have done to avoid this ? They are supposedly going to have class leading features. The MKS to my eyes appears sleek and classy. :shades:
The STS goes its own way, and you are right that it is too expensive for the market that is only now beginning to see American cars as competition for Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura. And now Hyundai is considering putting out a luxury marque. Alfa will return with better designed cars. The recent Paris show demonstrates may creative luxury rides being proposed which render the MKS genre even less noticable by the time of its belated release.
Hyundai, a "real" luxury car ???? I'll have to see it to believe it. I'm still not impressed with "Hykia". Alfa, has no clout either. The rest of the brands you mention do. The Lincoln LS, was pretty sucessful and I expect the same for this one, especially if it has class leading features.
I am cheering Lincoln's effort on nonetheless. But the MKS seems one of those dumbed down, too careful focus group efforts that was approved before the recent regime change and realization that Lincoln's self-assured decisionmakers have been killing their own company.
Well IMHO, they did a great job. If Ford "mans-up" and puts the proper powerplant with some horses under the hood this thing could become a huge sales success. :shades:
I just can't wait for more photo's to drool over because she is very sexy beast
Rocky
BTW, I also think the Saturn Aura is a total standout for its class. Saturn will look better going forward, due to teh European influence.
I am waiting to see what modifications have been made to the MKS, but as it was, it was porky, derivative and too, too careful...and without any dientifiable Lincoln DNA.
Rocky
P.S. So is the 07' S80
What they would prefer is something more like the Continental concept car - something more American.
I happen to think they can have it both ways - build the MKS to compete with the hi-tech Japanese models and build a RWD Continental with a big American V8 to appeal to the traditional American muscle car crowd. Of course the latter requires an all new RWD platform that doesn't yet exist, but I think that's where they need to go long term.
That also is a SEXY BEAST
Rocky
P.S. Thanx for the pics akirby. Also gregg, the Maseratti sedan has always been a SEXY BEAST.
I'll VIP at the country club, while y'all VIP at the Bingo halls. J/K :P
Rocky
Rocky
Rocky :shades:
I also wager a bunch that women are less likely to look at a generic luxury Japanese sedan than one truly stands out. There is nothing on the road that looks like the Conti.
As for the Conti - I drove Continentals from 90 through 96. And I still love the style design, and that limosine roofline. I hate these Domed rooflines like the Passat and 500 have.
Rocky
Rocky
A bunch of little Lincolns is not what will bring me back. I'll go to Cadillac first.
What's with Ford and its preoccupation with short wheelbases? Even the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis is only 114"...same as the LS, wich was a much tidier design (10" shorter than the MKS).
Nothing turns around in your street like a Ford......
I think the MKS, could be a big hit for Ford IMHO.
Rocky
Rocky
Yeah they turn like a go-kart. :P
Rocky
The MKS appears to be on the way to existence and I'll give it a good look. If it's comfortable like the S-80 and driving characteristics are similar, it has a real back seat and large doors, easy ingress and egress, and the interior is very nice as well as functional, I'd be very interested.