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I'm still sticking with "reducing understeer".
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OW
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BTW...if anybody cares 400hp (non turbo) is 316hp at 7000ft...think torque drops below 300
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OW
"Orange peel can best be described as a wavy, slightly lumpy, light-and-dark pattern resembling - what else - the skin of an orange. The condition that causes the most noticeable orange peel - are caused by sheetmetal roughness and the use of a clear topcoat. "
My brother in law just walked away from 335i coupe deal.
Dealer advised that this is the way they are and did not offer a solution !
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Webby
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-28798.html
I picked one pretty much at random...
My point was only that BMW is not immune to having ( a varying degree of ) orange peel, and other issues in their paint.
Here is a much newer thread....
( sorrrrrrrry )
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2183194
Would you want the car, if it has been re-painted?
If the dealer thinks it is a serious issue, they will send the car back to BMW... They wouldn't try to re-do it.. That is just asking for an ongoing customer service issue..
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Not a chance.....for $65,000.0 I want my paint perfect...just like my 2004 330i
Webby
I'm actually quite pleased with the paint on my BMW--but mine's a '97, and they've moved to softer water-based paints for environmental reasons.
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41621&highlight=orange+peel
From about the middle of the page...
Regards,
OW
So I'd guess you wouldn't have reduced reliability...just reduced time at 100% power; which may be almost as bad
I think the turbos are manufactured by mitsubishi (but designed by BMW); think it was in a MT rag...
Ummm, what's with the $7,000 down payment? You'd be WAY-WAY better off putting down the maximum number of Security deposits and investing the rest of the money than putting down ANYTHING AT ALL. Fortunately you've got time to research the MSD thing, and once you do, I believe that you'll see how much money you'll be saving by NOT putting down a dime on your car.
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Shipo
At the end of 3 years, it would kill me to know that I had paid BMWFS $25,000 and then just gave the car back.
Unfortunately, being the first kid on the block with a new convertible in the spring is expensive. I fell in love with the new 911 Cabriolet when it first came out in the spring of 2005. But full MSRP was the minimum one could get it for. In September 2005, I negotiated a $10k+ discount on a new 2005 911S Cabriolet as the 2006's were starting production.
If your wife can be placated in the meantime, the European Delivery program is the way I would go on a "hot" new model. At $1,500 over ED invoice, you would get at least a $6-7,000+ discount, the dealer would not lose one of his prescious US delivery allocations, and the dealer would get credit for an additional sale come year end bonus time. Win-win for everybody. If, in fact, you are getting a 2007 model, you could probably time it to get a 2008 for the fall, which would give you better resale to boot.
So, it seems to me like your options are to either kiss instant gratification good-bye and plan a European trip with your $7k in savings, or just bite the bullet and pray for good spring/summer weather.
You take the money saved on the price of the car and blow it on a trip to Germany. What do you really save? :confuse: Unless, of course, you actually had a trip to Germany in the vacation plans.
Well, if you need to blow $7,000+ on a trip to Germany, you probably shouldn't be giving any financial advice to anybody. :confuse:
That said, somebody about to spend $60k on a 335i convertible that doesn't even know about the BMW ED program is probably as frugal as I might be with my miscellaneous expenses. One of my business associates managed a ED pick-up trip for a total cost of $1,100, after he decided NOT to use his frequent flier mileage.
But I'm with you...if I go through the effort of going to Germany...I'm gonna do it right.
Many BMW dealers will negotiate a better \ deeper discount off MSRP for an ED car – as it does not come out of their allotment. For the sake of discussion, I’ll postulate an additional $1K saving, though some investigation I have previously done suggests more is possible. So $4.5K total savings.
Orbitz provides a round trip airfare with 4 nights stay in Munich region for generally between $1K and $1.5K. Plus meals. Plus gas $$s.
My math is certainly rusty, but it looks like I could have a short trip to see some of Germany, not have to spend $$s for a rental car. And I’d be ahead at that point.
Now if I took my Daughter ( a plan I was working on last year ) and stayed longer, the price would clearly be higher – and would only make sense if a trip to Europe was worth some $$s – to you.
- Ray
Still considering this scenario – for next year sometime . . .
I think your $1k extra in savings (bringing total to $4.5k) is extremely conservative on a 335i convertible.
Back when I briefly considering a 330i convertible in early spring 2005, there were hardly any cars in stock and the dealers were barely discounting off MSRP. Allocations were very tight. I actually had a dealer that said he could only discount an incoming car $500, but he would sell an ED car for $1,000 over ED invoice, just to get the extra sale. On a loaded 335i convertable with a US MSRP of $60k, that has to equate to at least an extra $3,000+ of savings on top of the ED discount, bringing the total to more like $6.5k.
As far as trip costs, even I would probably want to turn the trip into a family vacation. But since we spend a fair amount on that anyway, the trip v.s other vacation would probably be a wash, netting me the full savings on the car.
And trust me, it will be money a hell of a lot better spent than the mindless losers that drop a couple of grand to take their kids to see Mickey and Minnie Mouse in La La Land. Did they ever hear of Yosemite, Grand Teton, or Arcadia - or are their kids (and parents) completely brainwashed by the boob tube Disney Channel? :confuse:
It seems a bit late for the ED program, but thanks for the pricing info; next time maybe.
I convinced the wife to wait two years for the hard-top, I guess I will have to pay the premium for instant gratification.
Regards,
OW
I picked up brochures for the 3 series and the new 5 series. According to the data published in those, the 0 - 60 time for the 335i auto is 5.6 seconds, while 0 - 60 for the 335Xi auto is 5.4 seconds. I was surprised the AWD is faster to 60 than the RWD considering it weighs a little more (specific weight of 335Xi was listed as TBD).
As an aside, 0 - 60 for the 535i auto is 5.7 while for the 535Xi auto it's 5.6.
Bruce
...by a bumper! The real difference would be in the twisties!
Regards,
OW
Very interesting. The BMW Press release I saw quoted:
335i manual = 5.4
automatic = 5.6
Was that 335xi number for manual or automatic?
Thanks,
- Ray
Not yet seen a BMW 3 series with 335xi numbers .
All the numbers I listed were for the auto. I was looking at AWD versus RWD, not manual vs auto.
They had numbers for the manual, but I would have to pull out the brochures again to list them.
Thanks
Bruce
For the lowered powered cars, 328s and 528s, the opposite was true- the RWD cars had better acceleration than the AWD cars.
So I think you're on the right track with the extra traction of the AWD, but that may only be a factor if you are above a certain power level.
Thanks
Bruce