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So far so good.... I'll let you know... Also my car is out of warranty and the dealer can fix it 3 times under $1,000 they can charge Ford without them saying anything
The service person looked all through the records on Saturday and found no indication of any previous throttle-related diagnosis - or any indication any part had ever been ordered on my behalf. The guy at the dealership who had waited on me at the time is no longer there either (curious!).
Well - drumroll - the service person said that they replaced the throttle body and other throttle -related part today. Hmmm....for a national backorder, I sure got my part quick. I am in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.
Anyway, I hope this helps and gives you some ammunition to get your part quickly. I'm not sure what's going on - but something smells a little fishy on my end of the line...and yours.
Other than the larger section of the second row of seats geeting lodged in the upright position - I LOVE my Freestyle. Best wishes!!
trying to cure my "stalling and shutoff" issues. The data recorder had indicated the sensor lost contact a split second before it would shut down. The throttle body was installed on June 15. 3 weeks later we're back to the shop again with the same issue. I can believe the problem is not fixed. Each time the data recorder give a code to fix something, it doesn't correct the problem.
So far: instrument cluster
coils in bank one
PCM
followed by a transmission replacement
throttle body sensor
STILL HAVING THE SAME ISSUES!!!!!
The dealer has now had my car since July 19th. They cannot find the problem. They have driven the car and finally experienced the same issues I've had since March 07. They have called in the Rep or Engineer from FORD that covers our region, but it takes times for the them to get here to work on it. Not even sure they will know what to do. Thank goodness our dealer is very generous with a loaner while mine is broken. I think I've actually put more miles on the loaner vehicle than the one I own!!!
Thought that might help someone else out there.
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Its probably the same part they use in the '05 Mustang, and the part is pictured on Acclerator Pedal workshop manual diagram
I've never heard of this configuration. I have a Workshop Manual and looked it up after reading godsymyt's post in here. Actually, the way it is arranged is that one side of the gas tank has a fuel pump that only pumps to the other side, where the second fuel pump gets the fuel to the engine. What the heck? There is also a separate fuel level sensor in each half of the fuel tank. I guess they did it this odd way to accomodate the AWD model's driveshaft back there. So we who have the 2WD version of the Freestyle really got the shaft on this one. I'd like to install a low cross-feed tube to gravity-equalize the two sides, but I guess that would be messy, although I could do it since a driveshaft isn't back there in the way.
The least the engineers at Ford could have done was set up a parallel fuel feed circuit so either pump can get fuel to the engine, with both of them bleeding a little to the other side of the tank, instead of one dedicated side solely feeding the engine. That way you'd have dual redundancy, as in airplanes. Those bums.
Copy of TSB:
The part "5F9Z-9E926-AA Throttle Body" is over $200.
There was a Technical Service Bulletin TSB that your dealership should be made aware of (tell the dealership to look up TSB 05-25-13 or just print out the following):
TSB
05-25-13 MIL ON WITH VARIOUS DTCS
Publication Date: December 13, 2005
FORD: 2005 Five Hundred, Freestyle
MERCURY: 2005 Montego
ISSUE:
Some 2005 Five Hundred, Freestyle, or Montego vehicles built on or before 3/9/2005 may exhibit the malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) on, with any or all of the following diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs): P0068, P0121, P0221, P0222, P0223, P1120, P1121, P1124, P1125, P2100, P2101, P2106, P2107, P2111, P2112, P2135.
ACTION:
Perform normal diagnostics. If normal diagnostics lead to an electronic throttle body (ETB) replacement, refer to the following Service Procedure.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
Replace the throttle body referring to Workshop Manual Section 303-04, and reprogram the powertrain control module (PCM) to the latest calibration using WDS release B40.4 and higher or B41.1 and higher. This new calibration is not included in the B41 CD. Calibration files may also be obtained at www.motorcraft.com.
PART NUMBER PART NAME
5F9Z-9E926-AA Throttle Body
WARRANTY STATUS:
Eligible Under Provisions Of New Vehicle Limited Warranty Coverage
DEALER CODING
BASIC PART NO. CONDITION CODE
9E926 42
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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.
If you have any luck with Lemon Laws, then let me know. Google it and put in your state, or call the Better Business Bureau and they can direct you.
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Throttle sensor part number that was changed was 5F9Z9F836BA. not sure exactly what it is but no matter. Didin't fix the problem.
This kind of exasperating repeat parts replacement mystery problem happened to me in 1995 on a Dodge Intrepid. The dealership replaced a bunch of electronic sensors and actuator parts, and then we finally found out the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) system was kaput. This ended the sudden-stalling issues I was having.
I don't blame dealerships for having such a hard time finding the Freestyle's problem, since sometimes all you can do is keep replacing parts. The OBDII diagnostic software system in the engine computer has software that runs around the car and checks voltage ranges and sensor/actuator operational behavior in an active manner, and it usually isolates and nails down the issue.
Sounds electronic to me.
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A simple Google search would have answered your first question. All new vehicles have EGR or exhaust gas recirculation valves, the potential for failure is equal for all makes and models. Maybe the reason the part is on back order is, like many auto parts manufacturers, the company that makes them may have gone out of business, be in financial trouble or restructuring and Ford had to find a new supplier.
The smallest Ford truck is the Ranger. I owned a Ranger a few years back and yes it sits fairly high off the ground but there's plenty of room for two and my 85 year old mother had no problem with a little assistance.
So what if Enterprise is inside the Ford dealer. Many companies have partnerships with others to provide convenient service.
You have a right to be "POed" if the dealership isn't being honest with you. I'd go somewhere else if that's the case.
Ford is not going to go out of business if you choose to by another brand. Ford has the best American cars on the road today.
Ford HAS gotten their act together. Do some research on the current line up, future cars and Ford's business plan so before you abandon Ford it's for the right reasons.
The thing that gets me is that they are manufacturing the Taurus X, which I would imagine has the same part - so they're making the thing somewhere!
Good thing though, once it was replaced on my vehicle, the problem was cured. So, at least you have that to look forward to!
Good luck, keep leaning on them about this!