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It does sound like a poor fuel/air ratio.
I think they are looking in the wrong part of the fuel delivery system.
It would appear that the regulator system is seeing a full throttle condition.
OR
You are losing air flow. (not too likely unless there is a piece of plastic on the intake side of the filter. Worth a mention, but that is about all it is worth.)
How about fuel rail pressure regulator?
The schematics are at the other shop, but I am wondering if that fuel pressure is not regulated by the computer and is regulated by the fuel demand.
Check Throttle Position Sensor with ohmmeter.
Check all electrical connectors for pin/socket alignment.
As I recall, that cable is assembled in Mexico on a piece work basis. if a pin or socket is backed off a bit, they would meet "nose to nose" and when you disturb it when working on the fuel system the contact is re-made temporarily.
The diagnostic readout should detect that as you wiggle harnesses.
Let me know what the dealership finds, would you please.
After market equipment which is properly designed IS NOT the problem.
These 6.0L engines have been blowing head gaskets in spite of the fact that every "nut bolt and screw" under the hood was OEM.
I am watching for the factory to come out with improved head bolts due to the nature of when the problem shows.
No load, no problem. Heavy load climbing hills, coolant dumps.
A 350 dually with a 6.0L diesel is supposed to be a workhorse, that is why people buy them. Only a few want them for the same reason many want a Hummer.
The idea is to be able to pull a good size travel trailer up over the hills without getting down into first gear.
A work horse is not supposed to be like a cutter pony.
A good diesel engine well cared for should make 250,000 easily. (Even if I use Donaldson filters instead of Ford filters because the Donaldson filter is far superior to the Ford filter and exceeds all of Fords specks.)
Incidently, Ford just came out with an extended warranty program for up to 200,000 miles on new 6.0 (e-vans) and 6.4 powerstroke. So they must think they have the problems solved...
Mark.
An F350 is able to haul 2000 lbs which is one ton and yes when pulling some type of trailer depending on the size of it can be pulled up a hill and at a good speed if you want to fly up the Mtn at 75 MPH with a 10,000 lb trailer you might wanna get a Semi, even when I race my truck and vette at the 1/4 mile track it gets hot and thats only a 1/4 mile.
As far as using a Donaldson Filter I would not use it on the oil just like I would not use a K&N filter either, the reason is because they are thicker and yes they clean the oil better they cut down the flow of oil needed.
Last thing is that we got lucky when they came out with the 7.3 and that they built it good but people tried to make more power and more power out of it and started blowing them up then wanted to Ford to replace them, lol. Now a lot of things Ford did replace because there was no way for them to trace if someone had used a Chip or Programmer to get more power but when they came out with the 6.0 Ford changed 2 things, 1 they made the head gaskets weaker and the computer able to store information like chips and if programmers had been used.
Now I love Fords and will never buy anything else but I also know that the truck was made not to haul 10,000 plus up a hill at 75 MPH.
Cowboy
Yes you can get a longer Warranty but it's not because they think they have a problem or that they have solved anything but because they are trying to keep sales up. Now hopefully you read my last post or some of the other ones and that you start replacing Turbos, Intake, Exhaust and Injectors you just automatically voided your Warranty and the motors life just got cut in half or more.
And it's funny you use the word > Playing < because thats is what you are totally doing is playing with something you have no clue about or the after market company is doing to give you more power they are playing with you motor and it's not going to last. Although you will cut the motors life in half or more but if you want more power so you can pull up the mtns better you might wanna find you a good 7.3 to play with. Thats all I have are 7.3's and yes I make more power out of them but I know at some point I am going to replace the motor sooner because of it. I once ran into a guy that had over 750,000 mile on his 7.3 and pull out the file case to show all the service records for it. It was not a small case, lol. He had replace the rear end twice, 2 Turbos, 3 Trannys and just just about everything else at least once BUT the motor was still the same one it came with.
Now I know I miss use my trucks and I admit it and I know you guys think you are not miss using them but the second you start to race them and do things to get more power out of them you are.
Cowboy
Thanks, Bill
As a horse owner, the last thing I need is a sick horse and a dead truck. (Only had a couple of emergencies so far, but the horse could have died if I had to call around looking for another truck.) I bought this truck on recommendations of reliability - always have heard diesels are reliable and long lasting. After reading here, I think I will look for another truck, especially when it is still under warranty and the Company cannot even figure out the problem.
Is anyone having trouble with these parts in particular 03 drivers? please respond asap!
I have a 2004 F350 6.0 Power Stroke Diesel.
I am having the same issue right now, i'm not sure what the dealer is going to say. But it apeares that I have a head gasket problem, but my clutch on my fan stayed ingaged for a few miles, then white smoke out exhaust, my sugetion don't drive it :sick:
Sounds like you didn't know about all the problems they had with the first 6.0's that came out. They bought back a lot of them in also some 04's. If you have one of the Buy Backs the stickers of Mfg Date is different from others. Just open the Drivers door it will not say Mfg date per say, you may have to look at a new Vehicle to see if it matches. They didn't Buy Back all of them of course but they did a lot of them, either way if you did get one or didn't get one they bought back still try to get rid of it if it's got the 6.0 in it. If you want you can email a photo of the sticker but thats up too you.
I guy I used to do work with they bought his back and he got a 04 and they almost bought it back too, well they pretty much did but he took the 07.
As far as the Replacement of Filters I change my Fuel every 6K miles, Oil every 3K Miles and Air every 6K if I am not useing a after market one. Tranny Fluid every 30K miles and the Rear Ends by the Book specs mostly.
I hope you read my reply to 129 and if White Smoke is coming out of your Exhaust the Turbo is gone or the Oil Pump is gone.
Cowboy
Finally found one who deals in facts and not hype because they READ the bulletins.
If you can’t go that route, then read the bulletins yourself and print the pertinent ones up and give a copy to your manure salesman.
The filters are a problem, but you seem to be taking care of that.
The dealership did replace the full set of injectors, and that ended the problem.
I don’t trust my engine to the fuels out there because most of them do not have (in my opinion) sufficient lubrication. I DO add Marvel Mystery oil to the fuel because I have had good results in the past, and even the dealership was impressed with the cleanliness of the injectors and lack of wear on the cylinder walls when they replaced the head gaskets. I did notice on one of the other forums where they are dedicated to "getting the most" out of their 6.0L diesels that they have come up with a higher performance set of head bolts and I am looking into that now because I think blown head gaskets is a symptom of another problem such as fatigued head bolts.
I'll let you know what they say, thanks for the reply....
I STILL LOVE MY FORD BUT IT MAKES ME WONDER
IF THOSE DODGE AND CHEY BOYS ARE HAVING ANY
OF THESE PROBLEMS ???????? :confuse:
To Cowboy.
I still love my Ford, but have you heard about any Dodges or Chevys breaking down continuously?
:sick: After being without my truck for a week. I got it back and it ran fine for a little bit then started acting up. Now it seems to be loading up or something, BLACK and WHITE smoke pouring out the exhaust and will not move under its own power, after letting it idle for a while it started running better so if it will make it to the dealership in the morning hopefully i'll trade it. :lemon:
"OH YEA"
After 4 1/2 days in the shop FORD done the following repairs
replaced rad cap, replaced EGR cooler, cleaned turbo, replaced tube asy ?,replaced filter asy ?, :confuse: ">
Cowboy
I'm only 2 hours new to this forum but looks to me like from what I can tell from your starting problem, I may have the same issue....a 2004 F350 6.0 diesel with 198K. Ran great and drove it kinda hard like they should be, shut it down and went back to start it after 45 minutes...just cranked and cranked without starting. I'm told it might be the cam sensor. Does this sound right to you or is anyone out there familiar with this situation? It's in the shop now...lets see what THEY say.
Ohbluto in NY
Ohbluto in NY
Cowboy
Over all they are seem to have there up's and down's it's those you have to weigh and see which ones out way the other
Thanks for the response...the dealer called and said it's the "fuel injector pressurizer" or someting like that. Said they "jumped" it over and started right up....estimated at $700.00 after tax....I said OK and fix it. Does this sound right to you? Thanks.
Ohbluto
Mark
As far as the Power issue that is gonna need a little more input from you. Stick or Automatic, When was the last time it was serviced, how offen do you change the Fuel and Air Filters basically any and all info is needed and then it's going to be at best a guess since the truck is not in front of me but between all of us we can get you pointed in the right direction and cover the basics.
Cowboy
Sorry about not getting back to you sooner but this reply of yours never showed up in the email. I usually dont get on here unless I see someone has a question so I am sorry about that.
Anyway yes that is one of the things that will not let it start just like a Dirty Fuel Filter, I have seen some people in here say that they have never changed there Filter and will have like 40K miles on it, lol. The 700.00 is a little pricey though, I hope they wash and changed the oil for that price too. I have no clue where you are but you might wanna try to find a small shop or ask around in your area if there is a company that Rebuilds Turbos and Injectors as they will usually be to do the same thing and find the problem for like 150 bucks and most of the things on your truck you can replace. Here in Denver we have a few places but the best one if something makes me sratch my head is called CDM and they are real good and a lot better than the dealer and a LOT cheaper, lol.
Just keep in mind though if your truck ever does die shortly after starting and won't keep running then that is a Cam Sensor usually, not always but most of the time.
Cowboy
PS: Pulling injectors is no big deal, just be sure to use new seals when you re-install them, and as Cowboy said, find a good shop who knows what they are doing. My injector man charged me a bit less that $160.00 and he replaced a number of the Injector parts parts (a small handful). I will get that $160 back in short order with this smooth running engine and lower fuel consumption, and I do love the power it has now.
Appreciate you getting back....I'm gonna make sure I keep additives in the fuel to help the injectors and start looking for a cheaper diesel mechanic. The guy I went to came highly reccomended as he works only on the 6.0's, but he's at the dealership...maybe he moonlites...I'll find out. I'm in upstate NY so cold starts aren't far off...thanks again!!
Ohbluto
I have a 2001 ford f350 , 7.3 liter super duty lariot with 71,000 on it. I have noticed over the past month or so that the truck has been loosing her get up and go , used to flat hall [non-permissible content removed] off the line. I keep my oil and filters serviced all the time , they dont even collect dust. I have checked all air intake clamps on the turbo intake system and just changed my fuel filter . WHERE IS MY WATER SEPERATOR LOCATED ? The other morning it got down to about 27f and the truck ran great for the length of time it took to warm up , once it warmed up power loss. ANYBODY have a good idea of what might be causing turbo lag bad and loss of power , the truck only has 71,000 on it and its been serviced great and treated like a baby....HELP