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Above posted tonight from the reviewers at Autoblog.com. Looks like Hyundai is finally releasing to the mags/blogs for test drives. Should be interesting.
So pricing seems very reasonable, but... what's the car like?? I am surprised there was nothing in the March auto mags, or on Edmunds.com yet... unless of course Hyundai didn't make the car available to the press until just now.
And the wife and I were busy in our little town for several hours then shopping and running errands in Tucson later in the day. No time for Suzuki nor their Kizashi.
I did this very same thing about another Suzuki in late 2006. The SX-4 crossover. Basically talked it all out of my system in a matter of about a week with some of you all here on Edmunds, none of my friends had even heard of the SX-4 before. Occasionally I go buggy over a new model then just let it slowly die out of my system with the passage of a few weeks time. It's fun to get all excited and see where it takes me.
I do love my Lancer GTS and I need to find out more about Suzuki and this car and test drive one later this year. I'll let the kinks get discovered first and see what the Japanese automaker does for a resolve, etc. I remain quite impressed by their new midsize offering, though. It has a lot of potential. The Company is very proud of the car.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Nothing wrong with that. It's good, clean fun...& it's free.
I spent a LOT of time going over it with my wife before deciding to purchase it too, so it wasn't a fall in love buy it now gotta have it thing either. Put a lot of thought into it, then bought it, and I am so glad I did!
I learned a lot of the mechanical stuff fairly young, at least the things I know, I am by no means a mechanic, but most things were learned in my teens and 20's as far as that goes.
But it's the inside stuff about cars- their makers and their important people and their Unions and their strikes and their option packages and so on that has been opened up for all to learn and see about in real time...because of the interweb. It has enabled me to learn quickly what's coming to market way before the car hits the showroom.
So, before my wife and I pulled the trigger on our 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS, I had literally researched the car for at least 100 hours on the net, if not more. There wasn't much the salesperson had to do except hand me the keys and come along for the test drive. It's much nicer to search for cars now than it was even 15 years ago.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Yes, the internet has made car buying quite a bit easier as you can gleam a lot of information, some of it you take with a grain of salt, but a lot of it points to little things you wouldn't even think of until it is too late. After all the quality issues I found with the Toyotas, I went through this car very closely before making my decision, and the Ford was by far a much better built car, and used better materials.
I just bought a Prius,and of course almost the next day I started reading all the horror stories about the surging.Of course,I am pretty much stuck with it,but am hoping for the best.BTW,I don't buy into this official line that the floormats were the problem.I'm not dumb enough to buy into that.The problem obviously is in the software or the electronics.
I just bought a Prius,and of course almost the next day I started reading all the horror stories about the surging.Of course,I am pretty much stuck with it,but am hoping for the best.BTW,I don't buy into this official line that the floormats were the problem.I'm not dumb enough to buy into that.The problem obviously is in the software or the electronics.
The surge problem was with the Camry, and aside from the lousy traction control on the Prius, the drivetrain was fine. I know the current issue with the braking on the 2010 Prius quite well, I noticed it in the 2009 Camry Hybrid. When you hit a bump while braking, the regen cut out and you basically lost brakes until you pressed further down to engage the hydraulic brakes. There is one part of the road on the way to my office where it happened all the time, so I would avoid that part of the road. I never made much of it, so the Prius problem must be a bit more pronounced. Enjoy your Prius, Toyota can easily fix a software problem like that, the surging problem however, not so easy to fix since its intermittent. I like the 2010, but it is still just a bit too small for our needs.
Nissan Altima V6: 20/27
Toyota Camry V6: 20/29
Ford Fusion V6: 18/27
Honda Accord V6: 19/29
Chevy Malibu V6: 17/26
Mazda 6 V6: 17/25
You might want to check the Edmunds forums for the individual cars you're looking at as each one has a thread on "real world mpg" that the owners of those cars report. Some of the threads are quite active. Might give you a lot of info quicker than here. Just a thought.
The non hybrid cars though, the epa numbers are pretty fair.
decent fuel economy though is really the only good thing that comes out of the CVT, everything else about it stinks!! :P
its nice to see the companies have gotten to improve mpg on these V6 engines! especially with ones with high horsepower
these numbers are a big improvement, on my old infiniti, which had a 5spd-AT and 280 HP I got 16-17 mpg avg and my best highway was 22 mpg so this is a huge improvement!
This is the problem with individual reports of mpg, the expected range for what different people will call "city" and "highway" is just too large. One person who's city is like CR's but whose highway is like EPA's will say 14 city 26 highway and another whose city is like EPA's but highway is like CR's will report 18/31 for the exact same car.
There is a trick to getting maximum MPG in a car, learned it driving of all things a Prius. On a trip back from PA a few years back, I got behind an empty flat bed truck doing 65, I was about 1 1/2 to 3/4 seconds behind it, not up its butt, but still close enough to take advantage of his draft yet still where he can see me. My MPG jumped from 58 to 72 doing that, the hardest part was maintaining that distance up and down hills. My over all tank for that trip was 65 MPG. I practice the same technique in other cars now if I can find a flat bed truck, it doesn't work as well behind a van, you have to be closer to it for it to work, and I don't do that. It doesn't need to be an empty flat bed either as long as the airflow over the bed can get over the top of your car it will work. When you consider how close others drive to each other, the distance I use is extreme in comparison. This is how I can achieve 32 MPG in a car rated at 26, or 65 in one rated at 50. Somewhere I have pictures of the MFD showing the MPG readings from that one trip.
I would say that Nissan, Ford, and Toyota are going to give you the best overall mpg; I'd say Ford and Toyota are just about tied for best mpg with Nissan following a close second; I know for 2010 that with the Altima, the EPA rating went up 1mpg for both city and highway because most people were getting much better mpg with the Altima then the EPA on the window sticker
like I mentioned before, Nissan used to be the worst when it came to mpg but they have significantly improve since the 2nd Gen CVT is now in most of their vehicles; I also have to commend Ford, they weren't always known for the best mpg but they have made a really good turn around with mpg as you have just proved to me with your fusion!
I think motortrend compared the Fusion Hybrid vs Camry Hybrid vs Altima Hybrid vs Malibu Hybrid last year and the Fusion I believe had the best mpg followed by the Altima!!
I agree with jeffyscott to a degree. A process that measure each vehicle in the exact same manner is good for comparison. However, manufacturers have learned how to play the EPA game. I think it helps to hear from other consumers to get a feel(not absolute fact) for what they are really getting in real life. Real life is not drafting trucks for the vast majority of people. I used to do it until a metal crank fell of a truck and smashed my hood once. I was lucky it didin't come through the windshield. That cured me.
Is the Pruis a midsize sedan?
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
EPA's:
According to the EPA it is.
Since most people don't draft trucks, you are saying that the mpg you report for highway is highly unrepresentative of a 3.5 Fusion. Also, your description of a "highway" is more of an interstate hwy or freeway. There are plenty of highways around that have stoplights etc. Route 66 was(is) was the "highway to the west" and it had plenty of stoplights.
You would be surprised how many people draft on the highways, the majority of drivers are closer to the vehicle in front of them than I am when "drafting"! Count out 2 seconds, it really isn't as far back as you think. A 1/4 to a 1/2 second is not much closer.
Since you are saying that "highway" is anything other than a road without traffic lights, then the EPA ratings should be low on the highway side for all cars. Currently, my mixed "highway" and city driving on the Fusion is 22, when it is warmer out, I see 24-25 mixed city/highway. In the Camry Hybrid I had, I consistently got 40+ MPG on the highways without drafting, I never really went anywhere far enough in it to see what I can get behind a flatbed. Right now the Flex, on it's second tank is showing me between 19 and 20 mixed, and it has less than 600 miles on it, should be interesting to see how well it bodes when the parts are all melded nicely together.
Not what I said at all....go back and read mine again. I say highway includes interstates, 4 lane limited access, county hwys/rtes., etc. of which several have stoplights. I agree that if you can't beat the EPA on an exclusively nterstate trip you're doing something wrong even without drafting a semitruck.
Now is the above your opinion or do know that for a fact? Even though I would probably agree with you that is not how the EPA figures it and that's why, like you said, most people can beat their number on a pure interstate trip. I think my '07 Mazda6 I4 was rated at 30 back in '07 prior to the EPA getting a little more realistic and I never had any trouble getting at least 31-32. Now the same thing is rated at 28 and obviously I'm still getting 31-32 and sometimes 33 on pure "highway" or interstate trips. Anyway, it sounds like if you had about 75% interstate and 25 rural highway with lights etc. you would probably get pretty close to what the EPA rates your car. I think that is similar to the kind of result the EPA arrives at through their methodology.
For example the new Sonata, at a 35 mpg hwy EPA rating it would seem that driven at 55-60 on a pure interstate trip, it may be possible to get upwards of 38-39 miles per gallon. That's very, very good for an almost full size sedan. It will be interesting to see what the Sonata is capable of.
Not just you. New accord is too big for me.
I am glad I got my 08 TL when I did, that car is just the prefect size in every dimension! I mean the new TL is just as long as the RL and I think actually the TL is bigger than the RL in width :confuse:
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/22/2011-hyundai-sonata-review/4#c25682542
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