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diesel cruze is about $27000, 40 mpg, wish i had a good excuse to buy one.
he 6speed gasser a slamdunk.
new 2015 Colorado stickshift/gas will surely be way less expensive than new 2016 Colorado with diesel. I'll be looking at manual-shift colorado 2.5 as soon as they are available.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/11/26/chevy-colorado-to-offer-6-speed-stick
They actually got great ratings for the Chevrolet Impala which was based on a discontinued and now recycled Cadillac platform.
Don't even try this with me...it ain't gonna happen. I'll dig my heels in and take mpg to the grave..and this coming from a guy who has vehemently converted litres/100 km since 1978...the year they jammed that crap down our throats.
Your GPM is...pardon me for being so frank, simply a ridiculous form of measurent, unless you are referring to the fuel economy of a large boat or ship.
When GPM is used in vehicles that get many many miles per gallon, the entire theory... in all its glorified confusion, gets muddied when it's compounded by vehicles that have fuel capacities that vary wildly. Here you have a VW T which has a much larger than average fuel tank, powered by an extra efficient diesel to exploit its FE, being compared to a (as an extreme example to push my point across) the first Ford Escape V6 4x4 gas jobs that had only a 10 gal tank. With one, you have huge storage and many MPG capability, and the other, grossly inefficient FE with very little storage.
The only way you could make a (weak) case for GPM, is if you were doing a final tally for a vehicle at year's end, and even then it would really only be somewhat of an indicator if all vehicles had exactly the same size fuel tanks across the board! Like I say...ridiculous..
This is usually measured in pounds of fuel per horsepower per hour. Roughly speaking, 0.25 lbs/hp/hr is considered to be pretty good, and 100,000 hp is a low-side estimate of an average container ship's horsepower. This then works out to 25,000 pounds of marine diesel fuel per hour. Marine diesel weighs about 7lbs/gallon, which gets us about 3600 gallons per burned per hour. A common cruise speed is 25 knots or 28.75mph. To make the math easier, let's call it 30mph. What this means is that for a container ship to travel 30 miles, it'll burn through 3600 gallons, which is the same as burning 120 gallons to go one mile . There are 5280 feet in a mile, so if 120 gallons is good for 5280 feet, then one gallon is burned every 44 feet!! It really GOBBLE GOBBLE's a lot of fuel!
Happy thanksgiving guys!
Ya, have a good USA Happy Thanksgiving guys! We had ours last month, but I'll enjoy another bird vicariously through you guys this w/e.. :thumb up:
Pardon me, but you don't seem to have a clue, not the single, slightest clue, of what you're talking about. The capacity of the fuel tank has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the GPM. Perhaps you need to go and read the article before you start commenting on it?
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/features/mpg-is-stupid.html
Was up the road today; diesel in the sticks was $4.19. RUG is up a little - $3.26 to $3.39, depending.
What I failed to portray but meant to, was the PERCEPTION of fuel tank size differences to shoppers, IF they started advertising GPM. People would assume that the bigger the tank, the more fuel that vehicle must use.
You talk about not reading articles ( I DID) yet your post indicates you didn't read all of mine, instead picking a piece to criticize...oh that's right..that's what your usual practice is..
So what, I didn't make my point very well, it sure as hell didn't deserve the comment you posted. I might have failed in this example but you have no right to make such a generalized statement about me.
And.. NO, I WILL NOT PARDON YOU!!! NOT ONE BIT YOU JUDGEMENTAL *******.
I've noticed something about you. You only post when you want to give someone crap. And you don't hold back much..
Quit being so quick to jump on people...making such ridiculous blanket statements. How could anyone take you seriously? I will be ignoring ALL of your nonsense.
I suggest to you the OBVIOUS... ignore my posts in future.
That's big news in Fairbanks. It's been a LONG time since diesel was less than (or even at) $4/gal.
I have an above-ground storage tank for my home heating system (which is a condensing oil-fired boiler), so I have to use #1 on it. I've never had any supply issues, even at -55F (which is the coldest I've seen at my home, though the valley bottoms have gone a little colder in the eleven years we have lived at our current address).
More recently, (last tank full) I just did a sort of "winter" run and in effect dropped from 1 to 2 mpg, adjusted for exceptions or 3% to 6% (700 miles, app 22 gal/26.4 capacity, aka 1 tankful). FULLY half of that (.5 to 1 mpg) I attribute to different tires. So more like 1.5% to 3%. Now a rule of thumb can be app 10-15% (like you said) . So in that sense, the ( newer diesels) real world, not too terribly bad. Now whether or not that is static over say this upcoming winter, remains to be seen. The first winter had a lot of variables, so even though I know the numbers (not different at all, given the extra variables) , I would tend to discount it.
In VA for example, Phillip Morris headquarters is in Richmond, so our Cigarette prices are $3.50 while they are $9 in NY (just an example of a heavily taxed and regulated product for comparison).
Have you driven up the Dalton Highway? Are you secretly an Ice road trucker? These questions burn deep inside me, (by compression of course). LOL.
You did not deserve to be treated like that, even if you are Canadian! LOL.
VW Surprised by the Popularity of its Diesel Models in the U.S. (carscoops.com)
"VW originally expected 17 percent of Passat sales to be diesels, but the Passat TDI’s share is getting closer to 30 percent."
- The winter mixes of diesel for on-road-use in USA are not "diesel #1".
they remain "diesel #2 with 50 ppm sulfur, up to 500 ppm, same as for on-road diesel in USA prior to 2007".
- "diesel #1" aka home-heating-oil in USA is probably best discussed in the popular "luxury-mobile-homes-with-oil-heat-furnaces-on-board" forum.
further corrections are welcomed! happy/safe thanksgiving to all. mine started with a local SUV driver trying to crush/kill me and GF and my GTO , 2 miles from my house, in an intersection which evidently requires full horn for all future transits, but hopefully never again panic-braking/steering-into-curb.
What should I do in the winter to adjust for the cold temperatures?
We offer winterized product in a majority of markets that experience severe weather conditions. If temperatures fall well below norms for the local area or you will be driving much farther north, additional Diesel Fuel No. 1 blending is recommended.
Why shouldn’t I just use Diesel Fuel No. 1?
While Diesel Fuel No. 1 has an advantage in low temperature conditions, there are some disadvantages, as well. The energy content of Diesel Fuel No. 1 is about 95% that of Diesel Fuel No. 2 and will provide a correspondingly lower fuel economy.
Diesel Fuel No. 1 is also lower in viscosity and provides less lubrication for the fuel pump and fuel distributor.
http://www.exxon.com/usa-english/gfm/fuels_quality_diesel_faq.aspx
In the Arctic where I worked for 25 years, they just sold us #1 diesel. Most companies had outside fueling tanks. Much of the winter would be 40 below and #2 diesel will gel. I don't think they have ever sold ULSD up there. It caused our newer diesel PU trucks to spit out errors continuously. The local Ford shops would just reset the computers. I think it messed up the emissions as well. Most of the Arctic villages used the same supply for their home heating and trucks.
..."they not do a Smog certification..."...
TO:
they "WOULD" not do a Smog certification...
On the SOS/ DD trip, starting UP the mountains, I followed up a 6 car (convoy ), in the 7th position (last and no one to the rear) . It was truly amazing to note (almost all cars and) how many times they (individually and collectively) used brakes !!! ??? Even though I got the feeling most of these folks were mountain road "VETERANS." For whatever reasons on the way up, 3 total cars actually pulled out of the way so the "peloton" could motor on. Longer story short 30 mpg on UP grade, 31/32 mpg downgrade (31.8), overnight temps were app 25 F degrees.
Don't forget to eat your broccoli.
"Scientists in the US have shown that dietary intake of glucoraphanin, a compound found in broccoli sprouts, reduces the negative effects of diesel exhaust particles on asthma and allergies."
Broccoli eases diesel sneezes (Chemistry World)
(and yes, we do eat broccoli at my house. Probably delivered to the grocery in diesel semis. )
LOL ! Yes there were LOADS of brake riding going uphill !! ??
Actually, we had brought up turkey day leftovers !! (no sense leaving it even longer at home) For some reason I did focus on the yams !
There are two natural gas fireplaces. They don't "ROAR" like wood burning fireplaces, but they are actually quite efficient. Both have interesting (looking) venting systems. (to the outside) Evidently they were put in according to hoyle, as they have yet to set off the multiple fire/smoke and carbon monoxide units. The main heating is handled by a gas fired radiant (hydronic) system. Other gas fired products are stove, oven, water heater and dryer.
Hahahaha; touche!
Yes, considering that the product is both sourced and refined within 400 miles (15 miles in the case of the refining) of here, it is silly that we pay amongst the highest price in the nation for fuel (exempting California here, sorry Ruking!). But, as they say, petroleum products are global, so the refinery pays the global market price for it. And, since they have a monopoly on the product here, they can charge any price they want as long as it does not exceed the price for any other company to import and store the product from afar.
We used to consistently pay the national average (that's how the refinery set its prices, as far s I can tell) until the Koch brothers bought the local refinery. Those fellas are shrewd businessmen, and they knew they had us by the unmentionables. :sick:
And, no, I have not traveled the Dalton (sad, I know, but I would have to drive like 80+ miles north for no reason other than to do this!), nor am I an ice road trucker... even though the latter sounds like fun to me.
Any tourist to Alaska has seen far more of "the sights" than I ever have. But, then, I've only lived here for half my life now (not counting the first two years of it), so there's still time.
I did manage to make a trip out to Circle and Circle Hot Springs back in 1999 with my '69 C20. That was a fun trip! Nothing like driving an old 2WD pickup through a 12" snow storm over Eagle Summit.
It is way nicer (and quieter) than a hybrid, wont embarrass you at a 3 fork dinner, easy to work on (when compared to hybrid), and long lasting. The Passat is just a well respected car.
My 1996 Passat TDI had all the options (needed back then to spur sales) like heated seats, leather, sunroof, alloys, small boot spoiler, power seats, and a decent stereo.
The best thing about my TDI? My niece still drives it. It has over 220,000 miles and counting.
Life is good !
I know she should take it in for repair, but on a waitress salary while she is in college there isn't any way for her to afford it anyways.
People wondered if the decontenting of the Passat would hurt sales but it didn't. The diesel uptake rate has been surprising, but maybe VW fans have been more aware of the TDI options than other brand owners.
It was actually stellar, but still vilified at many levels and many reasons.
This can easily be verified (so I will leave stats out). However it makes it all the more THE triple "FEAT/s" as the 10 Jetta was the lead dog to be decontented. It sold MORE than 09 contented version. The 09 CONTENTED version even was offered with a IRS tax CREDIT !!!! ??? 1 year BEFORE. The 11 Jetta sold WAY more than 09 contented version and way more than the 10 Jetta decontented version. In the year of the decontented 12 PASSAT, the 12 Jetta sold slightly LESS than the 11 (decontented) Jetta's. It sold more than the contented MY and app @ 22 to 25% TDI's.
The decontented US market Passat went from literal ZERO to 117k +. So in a manner of speaking, anything less could be seen as a (dual) "letdown."
So I think some of these twists and turns works in a perverse way to VW's advantage. They are more profitable than their (HUGE) competitors (Toyota, GM )and are making leaps in their market share goals and they are really not on anyone's radar for being so HUGE.
Strictly from my point of view, they (3) have been both reliable and durable. I probably should throw in there good bang for the buck. Further and I have gotten great deals for ALL three !! ??? To add the kicker, cheap to free money !! So call me a "reluctant " skeptic , as it is hard to NOT integrate some folks BAD experiences with VW's !!!!! So even if I am still skeptical (I am not as folks have gathered) all three TDI's continue to have excellent resale values !!!!! ???? I think if I were starting from diesel scratch I would probably get the Passat TDI. If I had to move on from here, the Golf.
I think my Alaska days are over. I put in 37 years there and didn't see much that is off the beaten path. Not even Denali park. 25 years in Prudhoe and I got 52 miles down the Dalton a few times fishing. Nice Grayling in those little streams. I have worked in 9 Arctic villages including Barrow. I would not say that is a real treat. Just a real experience. Not going anywhere I cannot drive the Touareg TDI anymore. Unless I were to move to Hilo. Then not much choice but fly.
Yes! That's how I look at it most of the time. My "real treat" comes in the form of winter driving, as I get to enjoy ~6 months of it (this is the time when there is actually snow/ice on the road). I absolutely love driving in inclement weather; the more challenging, the better.
The more I consider what my vehiclular future holds, though, the more I think that it will be a while before I pull the trigger on another car. Hopefully, the diesel options expand greatly in that time (thinking 4-7 years) without gutting the tandem availability of manual transmissions.
Time will tell.
And with a diesel, you could skip Coldfoot and not have to fill up.
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A scarf would be overkill in Savannah though, even this time of year.
Tybee Island police get diesel patrol cars (savannahnow.com)
I wish our police depts were a little more interested in saving the tax payers money.