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Of course an '11 will be worth more than a '10 down the road - it's newer and costs more! However, the spread may not be as large as one might think because a '10 will, relatively speaking, be considered to have lower mileage for its year, boosting its resale a bit. This is one aspect of buying late in a model year that is little discussed.
Whether an '11 is "...a lot nicer car..." is open to serious debate. It has few new features at the cost of the deletion of some desirable content.
1. Below around 40 mph, the van was very quiet. Driving around town was very nice. When stopped it's hard to tell if the engine is running.
2. Above around 50 or so, it was louder than I expected. Mostly road noise. Not super loud or anything, but for comparison I have a 2010 Ford Fusion and both my wife and I thought the Odyssey was definitely louder at 70 mph. For a new model that costs over 30K I expected something quieter.
3. Great handling, great brakes, very nice room.
Overall, I plan on buying one when/if the prices come down some. The noise issue is not a deal killer and there are so many other positives. I'm waiting to drive the Touring to see if it's quieter. Some of the reviews out there say it is, some say the opposite. If anyone has test drove a touring and an EX-L I'd love to read what you think.
I would have loved to get all three options bumped in the overall deal to start with at a large discount but not sure it is going to be as easy now to get them at a super discount/free.
I do feel comfortable installing the molding and flaps on my own so maybe I will do those two via an ebay or the such purchase to save some $- unless I can get the dealer to come down a nice bit on them.
One other thing - looking into the HondaCare and so far have not found a better price than hyannishonda.com.
Not sure if you are looking but would be interested to know if anyone has seen a better offering.
I see a lot of buying 2011 when there are still some 2010s left and may get a decent bargain (although the price diff is not much as i see it). I just want to pick your brains on why 2011 is a better choice (or the other way around)? I can wait to buy a Van as my wifey is not due until Jan with our second one. Any advice on which Odyssey to go for will be greatly appreciated.
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Mani
My wife and I bought a 2008 Touring brand new for our family of 8. Our 6th child came 2 weeks after we bought it. We fell in love with it instantly. It had beautiful lines, excellent comfort, it was Baltic Blue, the real deep blue color. It had 2 quirks and that was they did not provide cross bars and the center seat/console was and remained fixed into 2010.
We got the dealer to install the cross bars.... I was annoyed that Honda provided the rails but not the cross bars. Now Honda won't even provide the rails! WTF?!
We sold it in September (a little prematurely) because we knew Honda had improved that center seat/console by making it larger and more comfortable. They also allow it to slide forward increasing leg room for the 3rd row passengers. We sold our 2008 Touring with 40000 miles for $29000.
I was invited to preview the 2011 Touring at Hagerstown Honda in Maryland. I could not believe my eyes! I didn't like it from the pictures but my wife thought we might like it better once we saw it in person. I actually disliked it more! We didn't like that there were no cross bars or rails, the back half of the van looks "quadraplegic" with body lines going all sorts of directions. The driver door looks like it has a bullet hole in it with that 1980's looking keyhole in the sheet metal. Honda opted to make moldings for the doors an accessory, something it needs very much! They replaced a lot of the leather finish with cheap plastic and eliminated the rear arm rest compartments which stored the kids crayons, pencils, IPODs and more, and moved the receptacle and A/V jacks putting them on the wall of the left passenger side where the holes are exposed for little ones to stick all sorts of pointy things into!
What else.......
the hood looks like someone dropped something onto it with that stupid body line running parallel to the grille. The only thing they did right in the 2011 Odyssey was improve the center row. They failed that part too by removing the inside arm rests of the captains seats. What are you going to do if you remove the seat/console out so that you can use that as a pass through and have two passengers in the captains seats? They will only have armrests for the outside arms! How pathetic is that? They didn't even think to design removable armrests for this very situation.
How about those stupid wheels?! Look how pretty the 2008-2010 wheels are. It is such a beautiful van. It commands respect. The 2011 commands funny looks! The new Sienna has Honda beat on looks. Sienna will come back with a better interior in 2012 and blow Honda right out of the running for the status it has held above all over the last several years.
Anyway, it was with great disappointment that we had to follow through with the sale of our 2008, but in the end we returned to a new 2010 Touring Polished Metal with black interior. 2 years newer plus a new warranty, the 2008 had already expired. We love the black interior. I miss the beautiful blue color though. Honda replaced our blue for what they call bali blue now. We ran to Pittsburgh for our 2010 and met with a car modifying company called RPM who will modify our center seat/console to slide forward and recline more then it does now. This will make it perfect.
Sorry for all the details, but you asked. Don't believe what I tell you. Take what I shared with you and go compare both and I am convinced you will pick apart the things I mentioned above if you have a genuine appreciation for pretty cars.
Above all, enjoy your baby! My wife and I have 3 boys and 3 girls, ages 2-14!
Lease the 2010 and look at the 2013 or 2014 when they refresh this new model. You will see that they will return a lot of the things they took away from the perfect 2008-2010 model design.
But, the 2008-2010 was touch screen and you could communicate with it very easily.
On the 2011, the controls are all the way on the bottom of the cluster and the NAV is all the way up top! Unless you remember the dial and key positions, it is going to suck trying to key things in and your head moving up and down over a foot in distance trying to focus and refocus on the screen and than the control. With the 2008-2010 all you had to do was watch you fingers do the work and look at the screen the whole time.
Check it out, you'll see just how annoying it really is. :mad:
One more ugly thing is black spoiler and black side mirrors and black bottom bar even on EX-L. The picture on honda web site show this bottom is color keyed but the reality is not, only touring is.
The no inner armrest on second row seat is stupid, many people have 2-3 kids and usually 2 kids in second row and the big kid on 3rd row, and they do want an open access to 3rd row all time so they have more space to do things inside the van such as change kids cloths when going to the beach, or no need to move second row outside chair for your kid to access 3rd row (all you need to do is press the slide door opened for your kids to get in) or momy move back and for from 3rd row..... Have you seen 3 todlers sitting in the same row for a long trip? Should have design removable armrests.
The LX offer 7 seat, but guess what I just checked it out and the second row has 2 inner armrest, BUT does not have outer armrests any more on LX, WTF they are thinking? I asked the sale man that can they take 2 arm rests on LX and install on EX and he also laugh at the way Honda design this thing.
I have not noticed any difference in the handling, but the steering does seem to have lost some of its feel. The steering seems a little more disconnected from the road.
This past weekend we went looking at minivans to see how they compare to the 2008 Odyssey we have coming off lease and whether it would be worth getting a new one, or purchasing the Odyssey for its residual. When we went to the Toyota dealer to look at the Sienna the dealer had about 15 of them in stock. We wanted to test drive both an XLE and a Limited model. When we asked the saleswoman to test drive them she said that we could not test drive without an appointment, and that the appointment had to be during the week, not on a weekend. When we inquired why she said that they didn't have enough vans to go around. When we pointed out that there were 15 Siennas sitting in front of us she said that those were not available because someone had stolen their mufflers and they would make too much noise. When I looked underneath one of the vans, sure enough, I could see cut metal remnants. We decided to forgo the test drive and went home. When I thought about it I realized the thieves had not been after the mufflers, they probably stole the catalytic converters. Since the dealer had hundreds of new cars on the lot (it's a big dealership) I wondered how many other cars may have had their converters stolen, and would the dealership, when they fix the damage, tell their future owners that they had been damaged. If you're looking for a Sienna (or perhaps any other new car) in South Florida, I'd be careful and check out the underside for evidence of repairs before buying.
In reality, most states have laws that dictate a dollar threshold that triggers when the dealer has to disclose the damage. Something like a cat replacement would probably not trigger that. I'm suprised that cat thefts are rising again as the scrap industry has come under heavy scrutiny from cat and copper scrappers.
Many cars arrive at the dealer with scratches, dings, et al that are typically repaired with nary a trace.
Don't let the SNEAKY DEALERSHIPS TRY TO CON YOU INTO THINKING THAT THESE VANS ARE MADE OF 24K GOLD AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE...!!!****
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Looking at sales figures, you would assume the new car market has begun to rebound.
Comparing September 2010 sales to sales in September of 2009, GM saw its new vehicle sales in the U.S. increase 12% to 173,031.
Ford saw its sales jump 46% to 160,375, and Chrysler sold 100,077 vehicles, up 61%.
But it may not all be good news.
Fleet sales - not retail sales - seems to be driving the market surge. (Fleet sales are vehicles that are sold to rental fleets and corporate clients).
Collectively, General Motors, Ford, Toyota, Chrysler, Hyundai-Kia and Nissan sold 2.3 million units in the third quarter, up 1 percent.
But combined retail sales fell 4 percent to 1.8 million.
What does this mean for car shoppers? Fleet sales can only sustain the auto market for so long.
To boost retail sales, automakers will have to offer greater discounts and incentives.
Our recommendation is to consider waiting a few months before purchasing (unless you're considering a leftover model). You may end up saving thousands.
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Vehicle Price: $39,915.00
Destination: $770.00
Doc Fees: $299.50
Taxes: $300.00
Tags: $35.00
2007 Touring Trade (46,500 miles): $21,500
Total OTD: $41,319.50
What are your opinions on the 2011 Sienna Vs the Odyssey?
I would ask the dealer to install the roof rails as part of the deal. If the dealer says no, leave skid marks on the dealers carpet!
Honda did not cut corners here. Honda took an ax and chopped off the corner.
We all agreed (I assumed) Honda has better stuffs inside but the look? either you like it or you don't. Sienna, look is ok, but can it be too common? Inside? CHEAP looking (my 04 has better look and feel compares to the new 2011).
To me, I really like the 3rd row sunshade and windows that can be opened in the Sienna. Also they have both headphone jack and volume on both side in 3rd row (xle with DVD model). The dual screen is great. However, it is not easy to get into the 3rd row.
Odyssey came in a little late so really, the price is still hight, good look and feel inside the dash. Like the cool box idea. Won't get 3rd sunshade unless you step up to touring. Also 3rd row windows has no vent. no dual screen unless touring elite
Right now, I am pointing to Odyssey because of the 2nd row config, I can give up the smaller DVD, no 3rd sunshade and vent but it just feel more comfortable. The one thing holding me up is the price, I can get sienna for near invoice but not the odyssey up in seattle.
that's a few thousand $ different. so I am waiting...