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Agree with everything else he has to say about run-flats, though..
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I just put Yokohamas on an Acura Legend, and spent $100 less than that, for a bigger size... ..
Yokohama Avid Envigor...
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Yeah, the Michelin was actually like $560 installed at Costco. I'm pricing out some Coopers (GFE, Lifeliner) etc. I think $425 for Pirelli P4 is a good price. I don't think it'd be worth getting the Discount Tire extended warranty for irreparable damage to the tires for another like $50, right?
I've already sold the Acura, so I'm not going to find out about the noise.. Just thought it was a pretty good tire for the money...
I like name brand tires, but those Michelins seem a little too pricy... If you aren't feeling the Yokohamas, check out Continental ContiProContact or Kumho
Ecsta LX Platinum. I generally like Pirellis, but no experience with the P4...
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I mean, I don't mind shelling out $ for quality tires as I plan on driving this car for quite some time. $560 just seems really steep for a 10+ year old car with 15" tires....I guess tire prices have gone up, because I was able to get a set of Michelins a year ago for $430 on my mom's Corolla at Costco...in a larger tire size...
I was extremely impressed with the Kumho Ecsta 4X tires I had on the BMW (best rain tire I've ever had), and will probably look at a set of Kumhos the next time I need tires.
Also, I forgot to mention the Civic only has 53k miles on it. So, it'll be running for quite some time and I plan on driving it for years. I just don't know if Michelin is necessarily worth $120+ more than the Pirelli P4.
Only about 3K miles on them so far, but I got into a nice little 4-wheel drift with them the other day...
We bought them, because the place we bought his new wheels had a special on them.... The whole set came mounted and balanced, and we just bolted them on... Turns out, we really like the tires, so it all worked out...
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I'm no fan of LRR tires... less friction = less grip, in my mind... An '02 Civic is already a gas mileage champ.. the tires aren't going to help that much..
Read the tests and reviews on TireRack and make sure you are getting the kind of tire you want...
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I'm mostly looking for solid wear (50k real world tread life, I don't expect to really get 80k miles out of them), decent wet traction (ie they aren't spinning when accelerating from a stop, even when you go slow!), soaks up bumps around town/highway well and if it can improve my MPG even better...
Kumho has some other tires that rate well on Tire Rack. I would consider any of them, as well. Also, you might compare the price with shipping at Tire Rack to Discount Tire Direct's price. Tire Rack has a better review system, but I've bought my last couple of sets from Discount Tire because they had lower pricing.
I'm trying to price out the Cooper GFE tire at some local shops as well.
There's the Continental Procontact w Ecoplus that Discount Tire will install right in the middle price-wise at $490, but they're not sure if they'll be able to get order them. I'd probably spring for this tire if DT can get them. Better wet traction than the Energy Savers and better gas mileage than the Pirelli with similar real world tread life is a winner in my book.
The Yokohama Avid Envigor mentioned a little earlier sounds like a solid tire, but I've read several reviews of the tire lasting only 30k miles. For a 60k mile tire I'd hope to at least get 45-50k out of them. I don't know if it's the tire or the driving style making them wear like that.
Question: should this have an effect on positioning the tires in the rotation ?
No, they should be able to move them from one side of the car to the other without a problem. In fact, if they're Firestone Destination ATs, they might even flip the tire inside out on the same wheel, as those tires are nondirectional and symmetrical.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Solus+KH25
They seem to be VERY low-rated, overall.
What make/model/year car?
If you know of such regs, can you tell how I can find them online?
I have searched the DOT site and nhtsa.gov, which forwarded me to safercar.gov. safercar.gov has a 100 word statement which appears to be the sum total of the info they have to offer on tire repair. Found little to no help from any of these sites.
But common sense should apply here: 4 nails is a lot of damage to the structure of a tire. You can't expect a tire to perform when it is damaged to that extent. Since unlike cars, where pieces are replaced when damaged, tires rely on "patches" to "bridge" the damage - and every patch increases the risk of failure.
If one is super sensitive to risk, then every punctured tire should be replaced - but most people aren't that way. Doubling, tripling, quadrupling the risk gets into some serious risk issues.
NOTE:
This is a family owned business that has been in our small city [aprx 60,000] for decades. On their google+ page they have 24 reviews and a 4.6 rating with only 2 people having anything negative to say about them (and no complaints about tire repairs gone bad). Many report that these folk are not out to make a shady buck. They charged me $30 to remove/repair 5 nails/screws from 2 tires. The owner had originally told me he might have to charge more.
nwsalesgroup.com/product/233.aspx "Centech is the most advanced radial tire repair system ever developed. Crown, shoulder or sidewall injuries in passager and truck tires can be repaired with Centech center over injury radial repairs. A special compound and design allow the repair unit to flex and resist heat, assuring a permanent repair." (these are the patches he showed me)
"*All Centech repair units must be used in conjunction with the proper injury filler material." (does not say if this is Centech's statement or nwsalesgroup.com's)
When we talk about tire failures, we're talking about fractions of a percent.
So when we are talking about tire repair failures, we are talking about percents of a fraction of a percent - and that's so small a number that one individual can NOT perceive it. You have to have access to a larger amount of information to determine what is going on - and guess who has that large of a database? The tire manufacturers who make up the Rubber Manufacturers Association. That's why they published the procedure.
Not to add dispersions on your local dealer, but it is pretty common for these folks to rely on their own experience and ignore the experience of others.
I am an old man with fewer brain cells every day, so maybe you could go a little slower... (and thanks).
If 10% of the tires are repaired (probably a reason number), and 10% of those repairs cause a failure (that may be high!), then the overall tire failure rate is 0.01%. That's why tire manufacturers are the only ones who would have a database that could makes sense of such a small number.
Now that may seem like a "Nothing to worry about" type of statistic. but tire failures have been known to cause accidents - and some of those result in some very tragic events. So even a very small number is to be avoided, if possible. This is the other reason why it is important to have this statistic well defined.
Bottomline: Tire repair failure rates should not add to the overall failure rate. At worst, they should be only slightly worse. (Certainly, they can't be better!)Unfortunately, repaired tires do fail more often than unrepaired tires - hence the warnings about repairs and repair procedures.
Furtherly unfortunate, most people doing tire repairs never hear about those tragic events - even though they may have been responsible. There is no built-in mechanism for them to be aware of such events.
Safety Problems Associated With Tires "There is no direct evidence in NHTSA's crash data files that points to defective or sub-standard tires as the cause of a particular crash..." but this page does present (October 2001?) Tire-Related Crash data and information - NHTSA data
NHTSA Urges Drivers to Check Tires During Hot Weather
Your Tires May Be A Ticking Time Bomb Many vehicles have tires which are old, even recently bought "new" tires
".....The closest data element is "flat tire or blowout". Even in these cases, crash investigators do not record what caused the tire failure....."
What this means is that the database doesn't have enough information to determine whether or not a tire "defect" was the cause of an accident. More information is needed to fill in the gap.
But this requires an expert to examine the failed tire.
However, there are some questions that CAN be answered - and one of those questions concerns if repaired tires fail more often than unrepaired tires. The source of this data is the returns that tire manufacturers get. There is no filtering taking place between repaired and unrepaired tires - just that the tire was returned.
www.rma.org/tire-safety/tire-repair/ "A tire industry study showed that nearly 88 percent of the tire repairs are performed improperly."
I guess this means that 88% of the repair folks do not incorporate every step in the RMA guidelines.
My interest in this subject really started at Walmart, from whom we bought the tires + their Road Hazard Warranty. Two tires had lost a lot of air, so I pumped them up and took the car to our local Walmart, expecting them to honor their warranty and fix the tires free if we had a problem. The mechanic said we had 5 nails/screws in one tire, making it "unrepairable." He offered to sell us 4 new tires with a warranty prorated discount. I wasn't too happy at the prospect of having to buy 4 tires (the car is AWD). I complained to the Walmart Tire Department manager and she said they will not fix more than 3 holes per tire and each must be more than 2' apart. I don't mind Walmart having restrictions, but it isn't in the warranty. The store manager has agreed to refund the cost of the warranty. This is a long way of telling you that on their very short warranty it does say, "Repairable punctures will be repaired at no charge using the Rubber Manufacturers Association (RMA) guidelines." Given the 88% stat above, they may the only shop in town that hews to this RMA standard. Oh, well...
Epilogue: Today, I swept out the gutter (curb) in front of our 2 story condo building - my parking spot and a few of my neighbors - and found about 30 rusty roofing nails that had washed down a drain and deposited themselves there over the past 6 months. Needless to say, there may be more nails yet to make their way to the street and, consequently, a sequel to this epic. Thanks for your interest and help.
The Sandman :sick: :shades:
2023 Hyundai Kona Limited AWD (wife) / 2015 Golf TSI (me) / 2019 Chevrolet Cruze Premier RS (daughter #1) / 2020 Hyundai Accent SE (daughter #2) / 2023 Subaru Impreza Base (son)
I've just purchased an used 2002 Miata LS with about 70,000 miles and the car came with a well worn set of Dunlop Direzza DZ101 tires, and I'm looking to replace them with all-season tires. I've visited Tirerack.com, and there are only two all-season tires came up in the size 205/45/16: Continental Extreme Contact DWS and General G-Max. I'm an avid Michelin tires fan, as I have them on my other three cars, but Michelin do not make this size tires.
Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=165
Sincerely,
Navyguy
Sincerely,
Navyguy
So far I have received $38000 OTD (With 8.75% Tax & Fees) for 2013 SE with Navigation, Carpet Mats & Cross bar from one dealer in Northern California.
Do you think its a good deal? If not then what will be the best number I can offer to dealer.
Thanks
Yep, you're posting in the wrong place. You'll get much quicker responses by posting here:
Toyota Highland Prices Paid and Buying Experience
-They currently have 14,000 miles on them.
-They ride great at 32-35 PSI
-Never a Puncture or Problem.
-Tires have been rotated, even wear, no indication of any alignment problems.
-This week I noticed that the right rear tire had a bulge at the sidewall. It's about the circumference of a quarter+ midway between the rim and tread.
-The left front tire has a similar bulge but it does not protrude as much.
-The right front has a similar bulge but does not protrude very much.
-Left rear has a ripple, but not noticeable without running your finger around the sidewall.
(I have excellent photos of the bulge, I guess they can't be posted here, but if anyone wants to see, please email your address and I will send them.)
-2 Days Ago--I Called Tirerack. The representative's immediate response was, "You hit something, it could blow...order a new tire." When I pointed out that it effected 2 others tires--seems too much of a coincidence--she then said, "OK, send photos and I will have a Tire Tech look at them and render an opinion within 24 hours." Never heard back within 24 hours and I will follow up on Monday.
-Friday (Yesterday) Stopped in at America's Tire Company (A General Tire Dealer here). Representative came right out to inspect the tire.
-He looked at Right Rear one--saw the Bulge and declared immediately: "You hit something, let me order a new tire for you now,"... and started writing up an order on his clipboard. But when I then pointed out to him that it effected 2 other tires, he put his board down, got on the ground, put his hands on both the outside bulge and the area opposite it on the inside of the tire.. He then said, "This is from the factory, there are bulges on both sides of the tire in the same place. That indicates to me that it's from the manufacturing and shipping process, when they tie the tires up...it's nothing to be concerned about." He then checked the other tire with the bulge, both sides, and had me feel the bulges on both sides.
I have Never in my years with cars--and I check my tires--have ever seen a bulge in a tire sidewall--especially coming out at a low 14,000 miles with lot's of tread left. :mad:
Has anyone ever seen this?, or heard about this, or have any constructive input?
To me the tires look unsafe because I don't like to see an area on a sidewall that is bulging out. I am not used to that on tires. It seem like defective tires??
I have not taken this up on the phone with General Tire yet--I may next week.
I appreciate you taking the time to provide your expertise or experience.
And again, would be happy to email photos.
Thank you very much.
Google "tire indentations" or undulations or bulges . Those photos should explain the causes - and many are road hazard related. Many are also normal factory variations.
But true factory defects will be there right from the gitgo. They won't magically show up 18 months (and 14K) later. So it's likely that this isn't a factory defect.
Second, you should post the photos on an image sharing website, like photobucket. That way you don't have to email them to everyone.
But if you want, my email address is: Barry@barrystiretech.com
http://s813.photobucket.com/user/photobucketesq/library/General%20Tire%20Altimax- %20HP%20Bulge
Hope that the link works, and I did this correctly.
All these photos are of just one of the tires.
There is a bulge at the same spot on the inside of the tire pictured, as well as another tire that we checked yesterday. We did not examine the inside of the 3rd tire with a bulge.
I will also google as you indicated this weekend, when I can clear an hour or so. Thanks for this idea too.
David
First, taking a photo of the same tire many times does indeed help clarify what is going on with that particular tire, but it doesn't help us understand what is going on with the other ones.
Nevertheless, you do indeed have a bulge and its appearance is being aggravated by the presence of an indentation immediately adjacent to it. That combination is making it look a ton worse than it really is. If I factor out that indentation, I think the tire is OK. Marginally so, but just within acceptable.
And the bulge could have been caused by hitting an object and breaking the ply cords. The fact that it is on both sides, doesn't change the possibility. But I honestly don't think that is the case here.
It would be worthwhile to call General's 800 number and see what they will do. But I wouldn't be too concerned about the safety aspect if they don't assist in some way. That bulge is not very large and not likely to cause any issue.
If it was just one tire--I may have let it rest.
Because 3 tires are effected similarly, (and the forth tire with a slight finger feel indentation but no bulging showing yet), I am going to push this with both Tirerack and General Tire soon.