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I would really be interested in seeing the Toyota landcruiser Prado in the USA. Based on its dimensions, it has a forerunner chassis and powertrain, but with a different body.
It is my understanding and personal observation including a comparison of dimensions and powertrain, that the Lexus GX470 and the Toyota Sequoia have the same chassis and powertrain, but with a slightly different body.
http://www.suv.com/lexus/GX470/
Chad
-mike
This will probably be rebodied and sold as the 4 runner too similar to the recipe for the Highlander/RX300.
I read about a university program that put a European 230hp diesel into a Suburban along with electric braking energy recovery and electric acceleration assist. They said it performed nerly as well as the gasoline Suburban but got 30 MPG. That is the kind of hybrid SUV I would like to see in a new 2004 Trooper. (I know, no more Troopers, but what iffing is fun)
Some links about Terracan....
sydney.citysearch.com.au/feature/333/
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http://www.overlander.com.au
It's somewhere in the Isuzu business plans on the japanese website.
Regards,
S a v v a s
-mike
Savvas, have you sat in the prado? How close is it to today's 4runner?
The disco is seems good off-road. I read that forum a lot. What I get from reading it...old school infra-structure, can be fixed on the side of the road if necessary...often problems with brake pads wearing out, maybe that is because it uses anti-lock brake retardation, as opposed to supplying power to the non-slipping wheels, like TOD?
Also, I wasn't very impressed with the interior, particularly the seats. Do these things stand up to wear and tear? Do the cushions stay firm? I'm used to the leather seating of an Explorer Limited (about the only good thing about the truck, IMHO). BTW, what's the deal with no armrests? Can you add them to existing seats?
Problems? hmmm...stock shocks are soft, a lot of us upgrade to after-market, Rancho's or OME. Plastic wheel well trim chips easily, it is black underneath. A fair number of people, including me have had problems with alignment, well not the alignment per se, but finding a shop that can do it right. It is a heavy truck, and without good alignment, it can follow the crown of the road easily making it feel like a pull to the right. Not a major problem, but if you encounter it, don't be discouraged, find a shop that can align trucks, not cars. Mileage, expect 14-17, if better than great. It doesn't handle great, it handles and rides like a truck, not that it is unsafe, but it is slow to corner, and it has some body lean. Also there is oil burn. You can expect to us up to 1/2 quart per 1500 miles? I burn very little, but some people here report small amounts.
You should get a sturdy, rattle free, super offroader, that you will love. I would check the carfax though, the used market...overall, very reliable. I don't know if you will get any warranty buying it used, but be advised that dealerships are few and far between, Isuzu as a whole is shrinking in the US SUV market. I posted a lot, but as you can read, not any major problems, some only found by OCD owners.
-mike
-mike
-mike
You've got to stop making waves over there on the trailblazer forum. I don't want those yups coming over here and chatting on our board.
Have they got issues or what?
HaHa
Chad
-mike
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I'm assuming the 4runner you guys have is the Hilux based vehicle which has been around for a long time now. If that's the case, then the current Prado we have in Australia has more room than the 4runner and approaches the Trooper for capacity. The seating in Trooper is roomier and more comfortable than Prado. Prado has more rearward travel in the front seats though.
Also, Prado's 3rd row seating is for 3 persons (skinny, little persons) so it is an 8 seater. The seats also fold up more efficiently than the Jackaroo's, taking up less load space.
I can't comment on the new generation. I haven't seen it other than on the net.
The only Lexus SUV we have is the Landcruiser based LX470.
It's off to the dealers under warranty, probably under tow.
Just making sure I read it right. Your mileage deteriorated with the larger diameter tires?
You would expect that the larger circumference of the tire hence the fewer revolutions per mile would mean less fuel used.
It would seem that the gearing change means higher fuel consumption instead.
Regards,
S a v v a s
-mike
-mike
Tire weight is usually not even an available parameter in tire data. It should be one of the important data they compete on.
-mike
Jim
-mike
I agree that weight should be a parameter that is specified in tire catalogues. I sometimes wonder how much those BFG A/T's are costing me in fuel, as they were fitted prior to delivery of the car. So I have no experience with the standard Goodyear Wrangler AP's.
My transmission woes were fixed for now quite easily. It was a management module glitch. Error P0705 - Transmission Range Finder. Basically, the car is female and was having a blonde morning being unable to decide what gear to use.
If your gear changes are accompanied with banging and shuddering, stop immediately, turn the car off and wait a minute. Start up again and the symptoms should disappear. Proceed to your dealer ASAP and have them check the computer diagnostics. They will see how often the problem occured, reset the management module, give you two aspirin and send you on your way.
Make sure that you keep a record of events, because if you get a repeat you have a real problem, not just a glitch.
Mine is going back in a couple of weeks for a further check of the diags and to see if the error has reoccured.
-mike
-mike
Jim
Jim
Yes, my overall gas mileage has been reduced as a result of the larger tires. My current tires are P265/70R16. To support Die's comments earlier:
The torque required to rotate your tires(T) is equal to the moment of inertia of the tire(J) X's the angular acceleration desired(a)
T=Ja
The moment of inertia for the tire(J)(wheel being constant) is equal to 1/2 of the mass of the tire(M) X's the sum of the outside radis(R) of the tire squared plus the inside radius(r) of the tire squared
J=1/2M(R^2 + r^2)
Therefore, as you increase the tire diameter, the torque required to accelerate the vehicle will increase exponentially by a factor of 2.
However, the above formula assumes a constant and consistent mass over the range from the inside radius to the outside radius. The formula would need to be integrated from r to R for the mass of the tire in order to obtain an exact result.
Transmission:
The transmission computer needs the signal from the brake switch to tell the torque converter to unlock. If the transmission computer cannot get this signal, it will attempt to keep the torque converter locked. you will incur harsh shifting. This is why Mike's fuse repair of the brake light switch impacted his transission shifting and control.
Mike,
What did I try to tell you about your trailblazer comments?
trailblazers: I am gonna keep my comments to myself, I love watching these guys whine about problems and in the same breathe say "I love my truck" it's amazing!
warranty: I think once a used car dealer owns a car they have to apply their own warranty it's no longer a factory warranty? I could be wrong on that though.
-mike
Jim
The forward momentum of both vehicles is roughly the same. The rotational momentum difference in the tires is the significant difference, isn't it? The key then is what percentage of the TOTAL momentum is represented by the tire rotational momentum. Isn't this resulting percentage the potential mileage hit depending of course on the number of stop and go cycles?
In MY 2000, the P/T warranty was increased to 10 yrs / 120k miles (previously it was 5 yrs / 60k miles). For all owners of a 2000 or newer Trooper who are not immediate family of the original owner, the powertrain coverage drops back to 5 yrs / 60k miles.
I could be wrong on this, but my impression was that most of the time, a factory warranty on a vehicle (not just Isuzu) is good for any owner, not just the original owner. Buying a used vehicle does not mean the factory warranty is gone. There wasn't a doubt in my mind about this until it was brought up on this board! That made me think twice about it.
Minor point here - you should also include the moment of inertia of the wheel itself.
Also, not so minor a point, the increase is not exponential. It is algebraic as the variation is with R2 (R does not appear in the exponent!).
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