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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Yeah, the problem is aggressive gearing combined with only 5 ratios. I don't think its an issue with the engine itself, as Nissan has shown that the VQ35 can actually be reasonably fuel efficient when paired with their CVT, despite being a bit of a gruff 'ole bear compared to the silky Lexus 3.5L. That's another reason why if you're looking at a used M you might as well get the V8. The M35 is now rated at 16/23, vs. 16/21 for the M45.
Mechanic is suggesting that when the "brake pad" light comes on the rotors are already probably damaged. So, they usually replace them at the same time.
I would think the warning light would warn you well in advance of impending damage. any advice would help with my discussion with the mechanic.
So much for the high price of gas affecting the sales of this particular SUV. :mad:
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Thats so unfair people try to take so much advantage if your looking to get a car.
Asking more price than the new car I hate this kind of people. :mad:
When you get to the level of LX570, RR Supercharged, Cayenne Turbo, etc. gas prices just don't matter anymore. Ask Ferrari or Aston Martin if gas prices are hurting sales. I don't think so.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
It certainly is an impressive vehicle. Not my kind of thing, but its a great execution by Lexus.
Its very well put together great for family in a long drive cruising.
I would say the LX is a better choice then the LC.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Apparently Lexus only plans to sell around 10,000 of these a year so they are in very short supply and there is no intent to increase production.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Well, considering that those cars only see about 5 or 10 tanks of gas per owner before being sold (10 being a stretch), why would they? You should see how many M5s are coming back to BMW lots now. Read the forums. The guys/gals love the car, but they are just sick of filling it up all the time. And with gas prices headed the direction they are, it quickly becomes a fiscal nightmare to drive such cars. Rich people didn't get rich by throwing away money just because they can...
That was my reaction to it when I saw it at the car show. Most mpressive SUV from Toyota to date... yet a pathetically thirsty gas hog.
Toyota is smart to keep the supply very limited... not too many folks would actually want one. By keeping it in short supply, it doesn't appear to be the sales loser it otherwise would be. And I do say "loser" from a sales perspective, not from a quality perspective, as it is a quality vehicle... just way too thirsty and expensive to sell in ANY large numbers, with SUV sales in the toilet the way they are.
But overall, not my thing either.
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Bingo!
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Well, the LX has never been a big seller, and after the GX, you really had to want one to justify the price. Obviously they want to protect dealer margins on these things. They can't have them stacking up on lots like Acura RLs.
Correct, but many people who are extravagant enough to own "track cars" are so rich that if they want something they buy it. They have so much money that the value is meaningless to them. It is the "ordinary" rich, people who earned what they have, that don't foolishly waste money.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
With the dollar so low in relation to many other currencies a $90,000. used LX 570 is quite a bargain in many parts of the world.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
And what is considered wasteful spending is quite subjective. Speaking personally, I've worked since I was a small child, mowing lawns and delivering newspapers. As soon as legally old enough I got my first of many legitimate jobs, some of which were back-breaking.
I've worked and earned my way my entire life. I am considered very successful by most measurements, I admit, but I do not like to be too wasteful, yet I generally tend to go through cars like sneakers... It is one of my real weaknesses... I just love cars... But I do not like all of them, of course... As you know and sometimes find objectionable.
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2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
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I don't care how much money I have (or don't). I won't buy a guzzler. Of course, I'll have to define guzzler for myself...
Not an SUV guy. Evil Wife's RX300 is getting 19+ mpg in local commuting driving post O2 sensor replacement. Not spectacular, but not too guzzling. And, given the utility it presents, that's okey-dokey. I consistently get 23mpg in mixed-commute driving in my TL slushbox.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
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And, as a child of the '60s, I"ve always been somewhat "green." Global warming, natural or man-induced matters not. It can't hurt to treat our tiny planet with just a bit of respect. I've always owned cars that returned decent MPG, my TL is a ULEV.
Wow, that's a distressing drop in mpg for Das Porshce! Maybe a bad sensor or injector? Not getting the right fuel mix? I'm no mechanic... Hopefully it can be rectified as I'm sure you'd hate to part with one of Ferry's children. Fun and economical!
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Yep, I'll be keeping the XK for awhile. It does pretty well for a V8 powered luxury convertible. Much like the XJ, the aluminum structure means it weighs hundreds of pounds less than its porky German rivals, so the fuel economy is pretty decent, despite the AJ-V8 being rather outdated. I probably average around 20mpg, but it can go as high as 28mpg on the highway. Opting for the supercharger of course takes away the efficiency.
Unfortunately the XF isn't aluminum, it actually weighs 200lbs. more than a Super V8 Portfolio, so fuel economy isn't that spectacular.
Toying with the idea but not committed. I just hate the idea of 14 mpg. At $4. per gal we would have an annual fuel cost of around $2200.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Did you purchase a new car?
We looked at the 2008 but my wife actually liked the 2007 better. I think because she was more used to it. We also drove a new 2008 Landcruiser. I liked it but it was a little too plain for my wife.
What have you been doing lately?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Warning......If you drive one you will fall in love.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Congratulations You don't post in LL anymore?
Well I always trust Japanese engineering electronics and reliability better, but the problem is I like Germans as well especially suvs, As you would know I've been interested in suvs more.
To me suvs from Japan and Germans are completely different and I think you are the 1 who told me about it.
Yes the LX is a great car but
1st its very expensive
2nd If I wanted I would get the new 1 .
3rd Its just too big for me I wont me using the second row of seat so what would I do with full size suv.
4th I don't go offroad.
I've been to 3 dealers 2 days ago...
Infiniti. Went to check out the fx and ex I felt strange sitting inside and I said to myself now I know why soo many people buy the rx.
IMO the RX is a lot more comfortable inside.
2nd Went to Mercedes wasn't really interested just went to check it out.
ML not worth it RX is better. E and C class nope. CLS nice but the interior not so sure about it, but these is enough head room in the back for a 6ft plus guy. CL65 oh my very very expensive but what a car. S class was the best car they got IMO comfortable safe solid great driving position.
3rd Porsche Cayenne is nice good size but the interior and way over priced not so sure about it and the options are endless
Well thats the things that...
Are you also going to trade your ls400?
Yes, I understand your feelings about the LX. It is certainly not for everyone. My wife mainly drives it and I want her to be safe and comfortable. Plus for trips it is a superb freeway cruiser.
No I do not visit the LL any more. It just seemed to devolve into a BMW forum. I have owned BMWs in the past and just found them to be OK but very much lacking in reliability and refinement. Performance is good but a waste for me as 100% of my driving is in urban areas with speed limits of under 45 mph or freeway driving at 70+ and in a straight line.
Here is an idea for you to check out. Times are changing. If I was a young man like you I would test drive the Hyundai Sante Fe, preferably the V6 limited. If you do, let me know what you think. Obviously it is not considered a luxury suv but it sure has a lot of nice features, I think it looks great and the price is right.
I do not currently own an LS I have an Acura RL. I will probably trade it some time after the first of the year when some of the new diesels start arriving. I am very interested in them. But I will probably end up with an LS 430.
You should also check out the Stories from the Sales Frontline forum. Some very interesting characters there in the car sales biz. They have a lot of fun and are very helpful. Stay in touch.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Different, for sure.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
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I believe there are lots of aftermarket hands-free setups you could have installed. Of course, it's not going to be integrated with any of your car's other systems. You could go to a reputable audio install shop in your area and have an aftermarket audio/nav system installed that will also have Bluetooth capabilities, but unless you pay big bucks, it's not going to be integrated into any of your cars other systems (climate control, steering wheel buttons, etc.), either.
You are every great care is come let and its publicity, marketing and all talk is start is too begins.
It's market policy.
I figured I had too much to drink when reading the prior post.
Off topic, but back to life.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Even Hyundai knows the Genesis is not an HELC. It's success makes it a no brainer to bring the Equus over here to test that market.
Overall, the entire car market is in a slump. I think the HELC market is on the way to correcting itself during the next uptick, where those who can truly afford will drive.
IMO, of course.
The Equus just might shake up the luxury market if it is priced right and does not disappoint. Second channel maybe?
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't comprehend that! I was gonna say something but didn't want to seem ignorant. :confuse: I wanted to come back with the old "All your base are belong to us. Make your time!" :P
Can anyone tell me how difficult it is to replace the oxygen sensor on a 735il? The manual is not too clear. Specifically, where are the connections? Thank You.
I compared both LS 460 and LS 430 to new and old E's. Interestingly, MB just does not have all the goodies on their cars that the competition has, even Genesis. If you add the ones you can, the cost rises astronomically.
Like the 460, but see too many complaints about wind noise, road noise, engine problems, etc. Also 430 seems to ride better from reports.