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For those of you who've shopped around for a Millenia S: What are some of the prices that you've gotten from dealers? I looked on carsdirect.com and got about 25K+, but I think on some other message board someone got a Millenia S for about 23K (?). Seems like a real good deal for a car stickered around 31K.
Some general topics of discussion: Why do you think Millenia hasn't sold well? Is it merely the price/prestige issue? Or is it a quality/performance issue?
I agree that 2001 Millenia S is a bargain at around $24K after rebates and discounts. For about the same price, you can also get an Accord EX V6 or pay an extra grand and you can get a Camry XLE V6, pick your rig.
Mazda missed an opportunity by not having a luxury marquee in the US. Which is why people don't recognize a Millenia as a luxury car. If only the Amati brand that Mazda was going to launched in early 90's went through, we'd probably see more people driving Millenias. When I still lived in Australia, Mazda have a separate brand for Millenia and two other car ( MX-3 and a sedan the size of Mazda 626) which they called "eunos". This brand was very successful in Australia and people recognized this "eunos" brand as a luxury brand. Heck they probably sell more Eunos 800M (aka Mazda Millenia S) there than they do here in US; jk. Anwyay, Millenia has always been known as a high quality automobile and it's being built at Mazda's high-tech plant in Hofu, Japan. So quality is not an issue, well maybe the first year model ('95) have some problem, but other than that, no major problem.
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I have two issues that I would like some help with:
1. I've had some problems with the sound system in my Eunos 800M / Millenia. Its a '95 model, and carries the Bose / Panasonic system - I wonder whether anyone else has had a problem where the sound cuts in and out, and what solutions are available, other than ripping out the cabling etc.
2. In the process of getting the radio looked at, the repairer's cracked the fake wooden facade around the sound unit in the centre console. Anyone know where I can get one in the 'States. Either East Coast or West Coast locations / websites would be helpful. Oh, and if there are variations on the rather tacky fake wood, it'd be appreciated as well.
Regards
D
I did extensive research before buying the Mazda, and everything I find ranks it at the very top in reliability, fit and finish, and everything else I could find except engine power. As I am no hot rodder, I bought the un-supercharged version and saved $2000. As expected, the car is no drag racer, but it DOES NOT lack for power in everyday driving, and is great at highway speeds. 2750 RPM at 65 MPH, the car is loafing. My deal on a $29600+ stickered car, was $21680. That would have put the S at about $24000. This is in Tampa, Florida.
I also drove a 2002 Camry stickered at $29500+, and they would only go down $200 from sticker. LOL. The other car I test drove was Maxima. It rode much stiffer, and had more tire noise reaching the passenger compartment. The best I could manage on a 2001 Maxima, a $28200+ car, was $23783, Or more than $2000 higher than I paid for the Millenia.
Incidentally, the problem with the "95 engine, was not mechanical, but rather spark plug wires that are easily replaced. And the S engine also rates an almost perfect record for lack of problems.
Happy car hunting.
www.exoticwooddash.com and www.dashboardsplus.com, not only you can find replacement for the center console wood panel, you can also add wood trim to the door handle trim, etc, etc.
Good Luck
I've had my 2001 S for 2 months now (3K miles) - so far, exactly 0 problems. Of course, time will tell...
I've paid $26K for it (sticker was 32.5) - they deal was better on the P model, but I did want the extra power. I'd say get an S - after the engine brakes in a little the power really flows!
I enjoy this car more and more every day.
Tomek
If it doesn't do it, I'd check for continuity in the cushion coil. there is a small white connector that goes into the seat trim. check for continuity between the white and black wire. If it there is little or no resistance, the heater is fine and you need to look for a bad switch or relay. If the resistance is infinite, the coil is burnt and you have to replace the seat trim at a hefty price.
Let us know what you find.
The price you reported for a 2001 Millenia P of $21680 sounds pretty good. I live north of Tampa.
Did that include delivery? Who was the dealer and can you tell which sales person yu dealt with and how that went?
Any info will be appreciated.
After a lousy two weekends of arguing with other sales people, at other dealers for Nissan and Toyota in Orlando, I was shocked at the friendly service I got at Courtesy.
The car is Platinum Silver, and appears to be flawless. I have thoroughly inspected it, and now have the requested 600 break-in miles on it. So far uneventful, the car has performed perfectly. As I have said on this or other forums, this has to be the best kept auto secret on earth, especially at the price of a stripper '02 Camry, and $2000 less than an '01 Maxima GLE.
Tell Ed that Frank Watson sent you. He said if I referred someone and they bought, they would send me $50. Thanks for that if you do. Happy car hunting.
Here is a short list of vehicles so you have a clearer picture: Ford Probe GT (5spd) Lexus ES300, Maxima SE, BMW 330, Audi A4 (5spd) the list goes on.
My method will/should increase standstill performance for any stock Millenia S; but for the record I own a 2000 with 30,000 miles on it.
Now here's what I do, if you already haven't been doin so:
(1). Downshift to L-1 or L-2, the engage the "HOLD" button. Most importantly disengage the TCS!
(2). When the light turn greens "slam on the accelerater - floor it" then upshift to the next gear when your tach reads 5500 or 5800 RPMs
(3). Now this is the critical stage.... the moment you upshifted, the tach should reset to approximatley 2800 RPMs - continue to accelerate during this entire process. Now when the tach reads between 4000 - 4500 RPMs disengage the "HOLD" button - do so while accelerating! This will cause the supercharger to unleash a rush of high end power.
*NOTE - during this manumatic shifting process you should never remove your foot from the gas pedal! Alway provide full throttle during this entire process.
Please note that these are the shift points that I like to use, I advise experimenting with this method a few times to determine which shift points are more effective for your situational needs.
The biggest draw back about the Millenia S, is that its power peaks at a low 6000 RPM, so there is never really a chance to ride out the engine's natural power curve. The Millenia S, redline should be no less than 8000 RPM in my opinion.
Regards,
Still nothing but good things to say about the Millenia. The "P" seems fine for most normal driving. It can be a little slow going up hills from a stop, but that can be said for many cars. Normal stop and go acceleration is fine. I haven't had the opportunity to do highway passing yet, which is the other place I would probably enjoy more power, but I usually stick to interstates anyway where there is two lanes or more each way!
I have a 97 S, which I've owned for around 7 months. I've enjoyed reading the posts here.
I have the tilt-wheel set in "auto" mode which is great, but over the last few days has started to move slowly with a "tired" sound after the car sat overnight or for the afternoon. The first time it did this it was a little colder outside, but it's exhibiting this even when the weather turned hot again.
Yesterday, I put the key in and started the car, but the wheel did not return to the preset position, and would not respond manually. After a few minutes it did respond manually. This seems to come and go now. When this happens, it makes the usual initial relay "click", but then won't move. There are no "tired" sounds in this case, just "click" but no movement.
Anyone experienced something similar?
Thanks!
I hope you have some type of extended warranty, this could be expensive.
to purchase for my 1998 S that has the
factory Michelins on it.
Thanks!
email: johngarner@hotmail.com
A pleasure to talk to, great deals to purchase
under 23K. Lease deals however are terrible.
Tell him you read this post from the heart guy who knows his financing.
The only reason I can see for Millenias not selling as well as Maxima's and others in the $30000 range is the smaller engine. But I now have 800 troublefree miles on it to break it in before taking it on a long interstate trip, and there is no lack of power for normal, or even somewhat spirited driving. The S model is far more powerful, but has a supercharged engine. Both models have impecable frequency of repair records by both Consumer Reports and Carpoint. CR rates by owner questionaires, and Carpoint does it by reports from automobile mechanics. The car is as flawless as one can possibly be, and to this point my milage has averaged about 24 mpg.
For the price I paid for this near luxury cruiser, I would have had to settle for a basic stripper of any other brand.
The interior is smaller than a Max or Camry, but feels very open and airy. Try one, I think you'll like it.
I've paid $26K for it (sticker was 32.5) - they deal was better on the P model, but I did want the extra power. I'd say get an S - after the engine brakes in a little the power really flows!
I enjoy this car more and more every day.
I've tested the Acura TL and was tempted by it, but...
- I didn't like the base TL's seats (you are perched on the top of them, they aren't really proper buckets)
- everybody drives one :-)
- didn't like the looks, the dashboard and CHEAP interior bits and pieces straight from the previous generation Civic
- they would not discount it AT ALL (tried 3 dealerships in MA)
In the end, TL type S was well over 8K more expensive for me to buy than Millenia S (given my 95 Passat GLX trade-in etc.)
I also tested a Maxima - and didn't like the steering nor the NOISE (I was relly surprised by how loud it was).
I've considered another Passat - but the combination of options, price, waiting for 2002 models (with better warranty) didn't appeal to me. And now everybody drives one... :-)
So, in the end I got the Millenia S - and so far, I'm glad I did.
Tomek
Thanks
No idea if incentives will go up or down, but I'm sure there will be no selection of 2001 models left.
Tomek
4.9% 36 to 60 months finance.
Very good rate, the best rate out there is about 7%.
BTW, I think you should be able to get a Millenia S for around $25,500; be patient; I'm sure the dealer will give up and give you the car.
Good Luck
2000 Millenia S, 32000 troublefree miles.
Is there any oil consumption?
Any leaks, especially around the supercharger?
How are brakes holding up?
Any little, annoying things went wrong?
Tomek (2001 S)
I'm so close to wrap up a deal on a owner (dealer) demo, he used it only. 2.5K miles on it. It's a millenia S, LOADED. Chrome wheels, 6 disc in dash, 4 seasons, deflector, scruffs or whatever those are called. Plus, I'm getting a 6yr/72K bumper-to-bumper warranty, all in the range of $25K. I'm going to try to drop it below $25K. I'm excited as hell. I drove the S and P. From my perspective, having driven suvs before, I thought the P was weak. Climbing a slope, needed me to push hard on the gas to gain any speed. The S was incredibly smooth. What a great ride! I loved it! And what a car. Well made. Can't believe people are not buying it. I mean, at these prices people buy loaded accords and camrys. This is a way better deal. Specially if you are not looking to sell anytime soon since it does have bad depreciation. If you hold onto the car, this is perfect for you.
I meant to ask 2 questions - does anyone know of or tried using less than 91 grade gas? engine damage? works well?
And, the display that shows the time and climate control, in the manual shows that it can also display trip information average speed and mileage etc. Does anyone know anything about that, how to actually display that information?
You seem to be getting great warranty. Which company is it with? Covers everything? I'm thinking of extending my car's warranty before factory warranty expires. Any info will be greatly appreciated.
I know nothing about a trip computer on Millenia S. Are you sure it's not one of those "if so equipped" deals?
Good luck with your purchase.
Tomek
A 6yr/72K mile warranty sells for $1450. Their cost is always $300 less. A 5yr/50K (only extends time) was $1390. So I went with the 6yr (better value). But if you deal at <$1k for extending your warranty, you did real good. These are prices for the Millenia S for bumper2bumper. No deductible, with roadside assistance and replacement cars etc...The P *might* have a lower price bracket!
Is there any oil consumption?
- No unsual oil consumption that I noticed.
Any leaks, especially around the supercharger?
- No leaks at all
How are brakes holding up?
- 32,300 miles, still using original brakes, maybe need replacing at around 38000miles.
Any little, annoying things went wrong?
- Small noise from the rear roof area, I believe it's the roof liner.
- The auto-tilt steering wheel doesn't tilt up sometimes (about once a week), but I know the solution to it; it works fine if I take out the key from the ignition slowly.
Other than that, it's been a real joy to own and drive. We drive about 64 miles a day (to work). If not for my wife giving birth to our first child, our Millenia would have about 5000 more miles on it (she took 2 1/2 months off from work). I put the millenia in the garage during that 2 1/2 months.
The car is still using the original Dumlop SP4000 tires, maybe need change at about 36000miles. I've always use 91 gasoline for this car.
BTW, congrats to skspgh on his New Millenia S. Welcome to The Club
cheers
And BTW, I did look into the display that shows details on the climate control. Look deep into the screen where the time is displayed (left) and you can see the lcd's for displaying the words - "Current Average", or things to that effects. I haven't come across a package that give you a trip computer strangely!
congrats.
1. "but I can only count 7 speaker" - oh yes, I've had this question some time ago, I think when I'm in for an oil change I'll ask the service manager what the deal is with those speakers
2. "the heated seats don't get much heated?" - exactly, that'll be my second question for the service manager, I just observed this a couple of days ago when I felt compelled to press the heat button for no reason at all...
3. "trip computer" - I'll have to research that, one of the things that I miss from my Passat (other than the stickshift) is an excellent trip computer with very useful functions
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csuftitans,
thaks for the info.
Tomek
So here's another question - I'm comparing the Millenia S to the Honda Accord, or Camry or something along those lines. In particular, I was listing the features of a V6, leather Honda Accord and the Millenia S loaded with wheel, 6disc and 4 weather pkg. Maybe others have already reached this insight, but here goes. The Honda Accord and the millenia are identical. 6cyl. 200+ hp. similar gas efficiency. leather. audio on steering wheel. moonroof. and everything else. The only diff is the heated seats, lumbar. Infact, the millenia CANNOT seat a 5th adult. the center rear seat is horrible! anyway, so to cut a long story short - in what way do others view their millenia in being better than camry/accords of the world? Personally, I think this might be what Mazda wants. Make you think this is a $30K car, sells it for the price of a loaded accord and makes you think it's a great deal. Ofcourse, I recognize the inside car quality is probably better on the Millenia. I'm still happy having my S since I'm drving something that looks sportier and cooler than the accord etc. But do others have thoughts on this?
- has Optitronic gauges (seen these on a $43K Lexus lately)
- very nice two-tone interior
- has Lysholm compressor - VERY expensive, lately used on a $55K Mercedes Benz 32 AMG (not sure if I got its designation 100% right)
- has looks, looks, looks (subjective, of course) - the WOW factor (my neighbour few houses down the street waved me down when I was biking just to tell me how fantastic my new car looks and what was it and so on)
In the end it is more exclusive and just has different feel to it . . . I drove my friend's 2001 Camry, and it felt similarly plasticky to a 1989 Mitsubishi Colt I once had a long time ago. In the Millenia I get more of the feeling you get in Lexus GS300 - pampered and spoiled :-) if I want to seat 5 or more I'll take my Chevy Venture LS, but for that "personal" vehicle Millenia is just fine for me, thank you very much.
So, what do the others think?
Tomek
Tomek
I still think the Accord is a fine car, it just wasn't for me at this time.