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There's a problem. Says whatever is convenient at the time.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
Half of our 150 C4C sales have been approved for payment. The rest we are in the process of inputting. We've actually been paid on the all the units sold from the 27th to the 30 thus far.
This Monday will be telling. That's when the huge deluge from last weekend will negin to come due.
I was one of the first at my dealership to be approved. The dealership was an average sized dealer, definitely not one of the larger ones here in the Twin Cites.
They had also STOPPED advertising the C4C stuff on their web site on that Thursday when it looked like all the money was gone.
(Not sure if this means they also stopped doing deals for C4C as well)
When I got approved this Monday, and went to pick up my car, we had to wait a bit for my salesman to finish up things.
We got a look at the C4C book they had, where they had listed the model + miles of each clunker...
They had about 40 C4C deals booked, and l suspect they had even more that hadn't been written in the book yet.
(Lots of trucks and SUVs, just like the Feds numbers have shown!)
If we do the math "per dealer", it should be about 35-40 deals per dealer now with 3 billion in the program.
So even with the new cash flowing into the program, those 40 clunkers would have maxed out the allocation for that dealer.
And my dealer was at best, your average sized dealer.
One of the biggest dealers in the Twin Cites, Walser, has mentioned in the news last week, that they have 200+ C4C deals waiting for approval.
(As the dealer was complaining about how slow the approvals were coming back in)
This means they have eaten up at least 5 or 6 dealers worth of allocations, even with the 3 billion now.
I am just not convinced that there really is that much money left in the program's coffers.
I actually had hoped the 2 extra billion would have been delayed for a couple weeks, to allow the C4C to work through the backlog, and so as to get a better picture of what was done that first week.
I am so glad (right now) that we did not hold the cars. We would not have the time to field all the calls on people wanting to know if there claim is approved.
I meant to ask our comptroller yesterday if we had been paid yet but I never saw him. I figure we have to get some payments Monday or Tuesday though. Seems like most dealers I have talked to are getting paid in 10 days from the submission/acceptance date just like the program notes say.
Unfortunatley I became the clunker claimer for the dealership by default. I have a scanner and know how to upload documents so that made me Clunker Claimer Qualified"
We are going to run out of cars long before we run out of customers.
Ah that's how I got roped into doing internet sales.Sometimes I would prefer not to do internet sales as it is only a couple extra sales a month and the people are so painful. But I can type fast and am internet/email savvy so here I am.
Good luck with your clunker sales today. I figure we will run out of cars by the end of the month. We have a few more cars on the way in so maybe we won't but I think we will.
We are going to run out of cars long before we run out of customers
Good point, and mentioned here before. With a dwindling supply of Fusions, I'm assuming the cost for consumers will increase? Any movement by dealership on shooting for higher prices with lower inventory. How much? NOW you can get back to work.
Interested in learning many new things. Hope we all will share our
knowledge and talk about different concepts in this forum.
Thanks for post. It’s really informative stuff.
I really like to read.Hope to learn a lot and have a nice experience here! my best regards guys!
fatehsingh
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Ford f250--Ford f250
Whats funny is that at Christmas time when the latest Elmo doll is bringing big bucks due to supply and demand people don't bat an eye, let us mention the supply and demand rule and people think we are ripping them off. Will never figure that one out. But I must say it is nice to be able to pass on all the crazy customers again knowing you have two more buyers waiting in the wings.
Who said anything about customers begging us to sell a car?
I think you should be careful when you try and put your words in someone else's mouth.
As I said we are gouging no one. We are a family owned dealer that sells more then any one in the state month in and month out and usually top 3 in the region which is 7 states. We will be fine when the program ends. As a matter of fact if allot of people have your mind set we will probably see another spike in business from all the people like you, you know the 95% that is so smart and informed of the day to day operations here.
I don't think that's true. Just because a car's not on the list doesn't mean it doesn't qualify. See the following link for the process to submit an application for an unlisted car:
Unlisted Car Process
Dealer Processing Tips
Marc McGurren, a member of the Jerry Durant Auto Group in Texas was very kind to send us his dealer checklist to streamline the sales entry process. Dealers may find some tips here that can help you with getting sales submitted and approved.
1. Help line numbers to call:
Monday – Friday 7:00am – 5:00pm 202-366-0606*
Monday – Friday 5:00pm – 10:00pm 202-510-7825
*I called on 8/4 at 3:30pm – got a busy signal, hit the redial button less than 10 times (in a row), got a “live” person and an answer!)
IT Help – 405 – 954 – 3700
2. You can now send the documents in ONE pdf instead of sending the pages individually.
You MUST scan the pages in the order listed on the CARS.gov checklist
Limit resolution to 200 -300 dpi (dots per inch) pdf format is preferred
Use black and white. Do not use color.
Limit file size to 6 – 8 MB, otherwise scan each page separately
In the Title box (where you were putting the copy and paste of each individual document name) write “All documents attached” or All attachments together”
3. Placeholders for “Unlisted’ vehicles (or trade-ins you can’t find) have been entered in the Trade-in vehicle description drop down list.
Enter %unlisted% and it will go to the different makes of unlisted vehicles for you to choose from OR Enter %Make%unlisted% and you can populate the box
IMPORTANT – you MUST go back to the main invoice screen to the Invoice Description box and write “Escalate to NHTSA – Trade-in vehicle not on pick list.” (This will alert the screeners so they won’t kick the transaction back)
4. Disabling the engine – can kill after the deal. (You have 7 days after reimbursement, but must keep on dealer’s property or in dealer’s control)
5. USE INVOICE DESCRIPTION FIELD for any other unusual circumstances. You can let NHTSA know here ( ie. Death) and there’s not a continuity in the transaction.
6. To correct rejections, click on Create Invoice – enter the invoice # and click on the pencil icon – Update will highlight – make corrections.
You must be overworked. I didn't remotely write anything about raising the price to gouge anyone. I just asked if prices were being raised, like I wrote about... supply and demand... a dealership would have to be crazy not to move them up closer to MSRP with supply low and demand high. I was asking how much higher. If Fusions were going for $200 above invoice last week, might they be going $500 above now... which sounds about in the middle.
We are selling for 3,000-4,000 dollars less on some models, on the S60 which are all sold out now programs got 4,500 dollars better, then three months ago. The programs are much, much better and margins are essentially the same. Did we make a tiny bit more money on the past few sales then we did a couple of months ago sure but 100-200 dollars better on a 40,000 car isn't much.
Wysup Hyundai in Lewiston ID- Lie to me outright, dishonest, so much so I wrote an email to the owner and cc the president of Hyundai. One big thumbs up to Hyundai Corp as the manager from consumer affairs called me the next day to apologize.
Dishman Dodge- I went to buy a van after they said they would price match Dave Smith, I told them I just wanted to trade my van straight up as it did not qualify, they proceeded to offer me the C4C deal and when I said lets sign the papers they backed down. Tehy have upset me to the point that I would be hardpress to by a dodge just because if it needed serving they are the dodge dealership in my town.
Downtown Toyota- Blew me off and I bought my last new vehicle from them and do all my service on it there. Will not be going back there.
Bud Clary Toyota- very nice tried to help me.
Appleway Toyota- very nice tried to help me
Wendle Nissan- extremley nice and helpful
Parker Toyota- blew me off
Jaremko Nissan- blew me off
James Toyota- Blew me off
Downtown Honda- blew me off
Renton Honda- tried to help me
Dave Smith Motors- extremely nice, helpful, to bad they don't sell Toyota or Hondas
:sick:
So, The first day of the program, I went down with every piece of information they could possibly ask for, and I was able to pick up my Escape that night. The sales person warned me it would take a few hours as I would be his first customer using the program and he was right. But, since I had all of the docs on hand they were able to release the car that night. I credit the dealership for holding the car for me long enough to buy it under the program, and for being prepared it release it the first day. They honored the agreement and quote they made on the 6th. I signed up the extended warranty and maintenance plan. They were happy and I am happy.
BTW, I was able to get the Escape that is configured with everything I wanted and nothing I didn't.
The dealer: Huntington Ford, Rochester Hills, MI
The Sales Person: Curly Dan Wagner.
Myself:One satisfied customer who benefited from CFC.
"Are there any discounts?"
or...
"Do you have any dealer incentives that you're not telling me about?"
The reason that the program is going to slow down.....no vehicles on hand. The winner will be the manufacturer that can restock its dealer network the fastest.
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I'm glad to see Ford doing well. I'll be looking at a Fusion or Taurus next year when my Lucerne is paid-off.
I expect the new Fiesta to be a big hit also and hope to see it in Ford stores by next spring.
I'd love to see Ford become the #1 auto manufacturer in the world.
As an example, a Base Accord doesn't really cost $23,000, but under $19,500 . . Also your car, as you described it, does qualify for the program, no ifs about it.
We have signed the contract to dump my old minivan and buy a new Corolla. We are exiting to wait for the C4C money.
The dealer did not mentioned about College Grad Rebate Program. We did sign the contract w/o knowing about it last Wednesday.
Now, I just suddenly found out about the $1000 College Grad Rebate Program. How can I do to get it. The car is in two names and both my wife and I are eligible for it (She graduated BS this year, and I am finishing my MS)
Could someone please advice what should I do. My mistake is not to research well b4 buying the car. Like most people, we were driven to the dealer because of the C4C
Thank you all, have great Sunday
Personally, I'm satisfied to see the average fuel economy of the US go up a trifle. Also, the clunkers likely polluted far more than their replacements so there will be an improvement in air quality.
Yes, we finance the car from the dealer. We didn't get the car yet. We are waiting for C4C credit to dealer but we did sign the contract and I don't know if it is easy to get the college rebate or not. Anyway, I will contact the dealer tomorrow and thank you for your advice
If you were thinking of buying a new car within the next year, AND have a clunker that you can trade it, then you would be foolish not to take advantage of the C4C program.
(Thus all the talk about the push/pull forward sales talk)
You do a bit of math above, which, although I would argue some of the numbers are wrong, ask yourself this...
Would any of these numbers change if you bought your new car next year?
Probably not.
Except of course, you lose 3-4K of cash that the Feds are throwing at you.
Every big purchase you make in life comes down to exactly the same math as you do here.
You need to weigh the benefits versus the cons, against your timeline in life.
In this case, its pure cash.
You jump now, you get 3-4K "for free" from the Fed.
I still feel, if you have the means, the clunker, and are comfortable with your finances, you would be foolish to not take advantage of the program.
Wonder if anyone else bought a cheaper car because of C4C than they would have otherwise?
british_rover, "Cash for Clunkers - Does it Work for You?" #1587, 6 Aug 2009 7:19 am