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First of all, I had the tanny flash done to my computer.
This helped a lot, but I still wasn't 100% satisfied. I didn't really hold too much faith in the whole "learning transmission" theory, but over time my tranny has smoothed out significantly and I don't notice any glitches in the shifting at all anymore. I drove a six cylinder and it feels rather sluggish or hesitant before it gets into it's power range, but fine once it gets up to speed. My four is peppy, has great pick up and I have no probs on the race track that defines California's freeways.
There's a whole thread on this subject under transmission fix, where I've posted the Calibration bulletin #09271 issued on 10/8/2009. Along with a scan of what was flashed here: http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/1363/09271aserviceinfo.jpg
There may be newer bulletins, but I haven't checked recently.
From my personal experience, I would say your tranny will get a lot smoother.
But the thing is, there is the potential for misuse and some dirty pool if like, on these forums. There is nothing to stop members who own Japanese or other North American type dealerships from trolling the site and creating literally, false ailments with the car, in order to spread uneasiness and even resultant changes of mind in which car a reader decides in the end to lay down their hard earned cash on.
So.... either the new Nox has some pretty serious woes and a higher than average number of teething errors, or not all apparent problems reported here are real. I wonder? So has anyone else wondered this or is my conspiracy mind working overtime on a snowy mid-winter afternoon?
And it's human nature to visit a forum and complain. When everything is hunky-dory, most owners don't seek out a forum to look for solutions to problems.
Every make and model here has people posting about problems with their cars, so keep that in mind as well.
As far as some people have an agenda....I have no doubt that is true.Not only on this thread and vehicle,but on many other car sites and car revue sites.
'98 Trans Am - new model year
'00 GMC Pickup
'00 Grand Prix
'01 GMC Envoy - new model year
'03 Sante Fe
'03 Matrix
'04 Trailblazer
'05 Camry - new model year
'07 Tahoe - new model year
'10 Equinox - new model year
I had one problem with the Tahoe - one sensor that knocked a bunch of stuff off line when it went out but one trip to the dealer and it was fixed and never had another problem - bulletin was already issued for the specific sensor.
We have had minor problems with the 'Nox (search my threads for details) and with one trip to the dealer it was also fixed - bulletin was already issued. I cannot think of anything else with the other new cars that I had them in the dealer for issues.
My Camry is pushing 96000 miles and all it has needed was a new tensioner, water pump and battery.
My opinion with the way these cars are currently being built with more computers, more sensors, more electronics that there is a greater chance of something to go wrong may it be major or minor. The Equinox is a great vehicle for us and so far we have enjoyed it without any major issues. As to other comments made, I too would be on here voicing my concern about major issues for two reasons: One - to find out if others are having the same issue and Two - to warn people. Do your research, compare the negative/problems against how many '10 'Nox's are on the road and I think you will see that the major problems experienced/reported are maybe 1%.
There is always the common sense element too as has been mentioned. But some of the problems do seem to be owner-blameless ones. I guess it is about the numbers tho. I too bought a new model year Matrix (I think 03 was first year?) at least it was in Canada. Was a good car, with very few problems although I think the auto tranny was going in it cuz it smelled hot and had only had one day of hard use. Never drove in hilly terrain or with a # of passengers or trailer towed.
- It had replaced under wty rear hatch window struts twice and they still wouldn't hold lid up properly.
- The little cubby bin plastic door wouldn't stay closed
and only very few issues really. So was a great success for a first year run in my mind.
About buying first year runs...In these modern times of nickel counting, mfgrs seem to be constantly finding ways to improve their profit margin and think that owners don't notice. A good example of this is the Matrix. My 03 had the good GM sound system, yet with my friends new 05 they had started to fit the lessor cost Corolla sound system as standard.
But the 05 had the cubby bin door redesigned.. haha
Power: the 4 feels much peppier than I was expecting. The AWD might be better off with a 6 cyl but I think the 4 with FWD is perfect for non-drag racers.
Transmission: Some hesitation between shifts but no big deal. Turn the ECO button off and it is barely noticeable. With ECO on the hesitation is a little more noticeable because RPM is lower, but it's not real bad.
Handling: I was expecting a fairly soft ride, but I was pleasantly surprised with the firm ride.
Rear visibility: Worse than I expected. The camera only helps straight back for short distances. The rear quarter blind spots are large, and the tinted windows and tinted mirror don't help. I'm 60 years old; younger eyes will probably have less of a problem.
Seats: Calling them firm would be too kind. These seats are HARD. Power driver's seat definitely helps find a comfy position. Kinky lumbar adjustment.
Overall, I like it. I like driving it and I like looking at it. It's economical and has plenty of room for the wife and I to go camping or to pick up something big.
At least I will get great gas mileage.
Seats hard ? Geez, you must have one soft fanny, this is the most comfortable ride I've ever had.
Forum whiners - let's face it, people seek out the internet for new cars for one of two reasons - 1) they're hunting information about a car they are considering for purchase, or 2) they think they have a problem and are trying to find out more about it.
New car buyers generally don't do searches to find out where they can post about their satisfaction. There are close to 30,000 '10's out on the road now. Yea, some have tranny bugs or other selective issues, but if you read through the threads on this forum, GM is tackling the bugs. Every mfg has there woes one year of another. Look at the Prius brake issue now. It'll get fixed, GM trannies got fixed, and we all move on.
Personally, the '10 Nox is the right fit for me
I guess that's why there aren't any Corvette or Mustang or F150 or even Chevette forums that people chat about their ride? yup...rolling eyes again..
And kicking Toyota owners when they're down, or calling us here on this forum "forum whiners" won't win you any favours around here.
Let me guess, you're not getting over-run with friends right? Both here on the internet and off?
Rhetorical by the way..
I am glad to hear that you are happy with your Nox but I wonder how you distinguish between people airing grievances about their vehicle and those who whine about those people? It seems to me that one is on topic and the other is off topic. :P
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
How about we get back to the 'Nox?
The first time was about 6 weeks ago. I was driving to work on the interstate when I received a warning that my engine was overheating. I called Onstar immediately and they told me that there was something wrong with my engine/transmission and that I could lose control of my car. Fortunately I was close to work. So, when I got to work I called my dealer. They told me it wasn't safe to drive, so I had it towed. A day later they said the thermostat had broken somehow, making my transmission overheat. They fixed this "totally random" problem and I was back on the road in 3 days.
Then, last week I had the same warning come up and the same response from on star. So, once again I had it towed back to the dealer. That same day they were able to tell me that the onboard computer that manages power output to the engine/transmission was malfunctioning, putting some of the major functionalities of my vehcile into an "eco mode" resulting in too much power going into my engine & ttransmission, to the point of overheating. Within one day they had replaced the computer and once again my car seems to be doing just fine.
Just for my own knowledge, I have already checked into lemon laws for the state of Missouri. I have 2 more instances to go before I can file a claim.
I am hoping that they have found the problem and that my car will run without issues now long term!! I really do love my car and get frustrated with having two similar instances in less than two months.
Anyone else had a situation like this? I really hope it doesn't happen again!!
I have owned 3 1st year GMs and have a 2010 equinox now. None have had any major issues but my 2004 Colorado needed a brake light switch and had an emmission light come on that was a warranty issue.
My 2010 Nox picked up Nov 2009 has been perfect so far. Not even the smallest glitch or manufacturing issue. Everything is tight and works.
I am trying to figure out if my model falls under the recall.
I liked the Nox but
did not think it rode quite as well as the Kia.
The Kia has more cu ft of space inside and a little more passenger space.
The Nox has better fuel economy.
I bought the Sorento for $1500 under invoice and the price on the Nox was not negotiable.
The deal closer was that the Kia has a 5 year 60,000 mile bumper to bumper warrant but the Nox only has a 3 year 36000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.
My trade in was a 2006 Hyundai Tucson GL with 43000 miles on the clock.
I paid $16200 when I bought it new and got $8500 for it in trade.
That is less than $2000 per year of ownership.
I have to say I am hooked on Hyundais and now on Kias.
My wife drives a 2009 Sonata and her last car was a 2006 Sonata.
The only problem we had with any of these cars was a defective alarm system on the 06 Sonata.
Another good point about the Sorento is that it is made in the USA.
In my humble opinion the Hyundai- Kia brands are among the very best in reliability and quality control.
The Sorento doesn't have a 4 cyl option right? A 2.4litre 4 cyl in a vehicle of these sizes and weights are totally doable in this day and age. Sometimes we need to slow down and smell the roses or lilacs.
Even for merging, they aren't all that slow. Especially if a fellow motorist eases off a little to give u that extra little bit of room for only that extra 2 or 3 seconds it takes to get up to speed.
Happy for u tho to find a brand that you feel does right by you.
A friend of the family has been screwed over by the local Kia dealer by an expensive drivetrain repair that they did incorrectly and tried to shirk their responsibility. The repair (not expensive) caused a hugely expensive driveline repair that they made us jump through hoops to take responsibility for. Idiots. Even if we don't penalize Kia as a company, their representative of their product in our town (Bracebridge) SUCKS. And I hope they read this. Just think older 1st generation Sportage driveline issue if you're reading this Mr Kia of Bracebridge. Karma baby. It'll get you on your butt.
I know someone who had a first generation Sportage and had nothing but problems. It was a horrible vehicle. I know that was a long time ago, and now Kia is owned by Hyundai, but just saying.
My mom also knows someone whose husband is a Ford mechanic at a dealership that sells new Fords and Kias, and he says Kias are really expensive to fix and parts are hard to find. So it is a good thing they have that good warranty. But Hyundai is now rated very high for initial quality, and they own Kia, so maybe it isn't anything to worry about.
Overall we're very happy with our Nox and the treatment we got at the dealership, especially on such a new and in demand vehicle.
Yes, in hilly terrain can be a problem with constant downshifting if an engine is a little under torqued for hills and heavy loads. Final drive ratios are geared very tall so the fuel mileage claims can be met under the controlled (non-aggressive) testing. Maintaining a set speed near the 'cruise' rpm at 50 or 55 or 60 mph in top gear and in hil;ly or even grades, does tend to downshift.....especially if car loaded with people or A/C on etc. So there is when a 6 might shine. So it becomes a judgement call. You want instant ondemand torque for your cruise, or do u mind paying what is likely a premium in fuel usage at the end of the year. If you tow or have a car load of occupants often, or are an impatient by nature sort of personality (no slight intended) likely better with the 6.
I know there is a recall on the HVAC module, just hadn't gotten notification yet. Sunday morning before church, we stopped at the local Wal-Mart which is about a 5 min drive from the house. All controls, heated seats etc. were working correctly on the way. Got back in after Wal-Mart and nothing. No radio controls, no HVAC controls and no heated seats. Tried everything we could think of besides disconnecting the battery and still nothing. Still had radio controls on the steering wheel but I can only imagine if we had the heat/defrost on full blast and it was stuck. It is at the dealer now, taking care of a couple other issues as well. Couple hard shifts and rough idleing. It has 5500 miles on it now so I would say it is broken in. Wiper blade has a 1/4 inch area on the drivers side that isn't wiping correctly and there is a rattle coming from the rear lift gate when driving over bumps or a rough road.
On a side note, made my case that the vehicle wasn't safe to drive without the HVAC controls in case the windows fogged up and the dealer didn't even hesitate offering a rental! Don't know how many times I had to wait for a shuttle or another ride after having to leave vehicles for repair in the past that didn't justify a rental.
Dealer said a day or two to get the module in and replaced.
-Jim