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Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable Wagons
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In short, it seems that $200 is outrageous for a computer diagnostic check, considering I paid half that in Canadian dollars at a Ford dealer up here (which is essentially $60USD)...at the very least you should get a guarantee that they won't charge you for the diagnostic if it reveals the same problem.
Hope you all do better with yours. My Montana never had a problem in 56,000 miles (CAN YOU BELIEVE I TRADED IT IN ON THIS HUNK OF JUNK?) and My Aztek has 20,000 miles with no recalls and no problems (it gets 27MPG hwy and 20MPG city). The 00 Sable has only 16,000 miles, and has spent over 2 weeks total in the shop for all the problems mentioned above. And now it gets worse mileage than my 76 Caddy.
I am trying to sell car, can't seem to give it away, especially w/ that damn light on. Earlier msg. here suggested "loose gas cap", I will try that and be shocked/happy if it works. Don't know if this matters or not but car's not being driven since I am trying to get rid of it (ugghhhhh!!!)
Ford: $1 million to Red Cross and 10 Excursions to NY Fire Dept.
GM: $1 million and a fleet of vans.
Daimler Chrysler: $10 million
Audi, BMW, Daewoo, Fiat, Honda, Isuzu, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Porshe, Subaru, Suzuki and Toyota gave $$OOOOOOOOOOOO.
First of all, this is a Taurus wagon forum, which the post has nothing to do with, and second, please don't just mass-post something (especially off-topic) without verifying something you read on the net (since you made the identical post on the Taurus forum). A poster there replied to that post with a URL you can read to debunk this.
Some of your statements are wrong: 1)This is Taurus/Sable wagon forum, not just Taurus. 2)I did not read it on the net, nor did I ever know that had been circulated over the internet. I read it in a local paper on Sunday. It is your choice to believe it or not. I am still trying to verify the story with CNN. Not that it is any of your business, but I happen to live in New York and on September 11
I was close to the buildings. So the article touched a nerve in me.
I have not been criticized by the forum's hosts. So if you don't like what I write either ignore it or take it up with Edmunds.com. I will continue to speak my mind without trying to attack anyone unless you or somebody like you decides to censure or cowardly attack my posts like you just did.
Please accept my apology--I guess my post was harsh, though I didn't intend it that way. It certainly was not meant as an attack on your or your opinions, nor was it meant to belittle the seriousness of the events of September 11th. It ended up as a poor attempt to point out that the story seemed to have been rejected as untrue.
By the way, it is true about Ford's assistance. They also offered an entire warehouse they were not using in NJ for whatever needs had to be met. That I saw on Ford's media website.
I am surprised CNN picked it up so late, true or not, as I first saw that message circulate about 3 months ago now.
That's the last you'll hear from me on that subject. Back to Taurus AND Sable wagons. Again, I'm sorry.
Also, sometimes if I shut off the car, and the CD player was playing, when I turn the car back on, the CD player is on ANOTHER CD and track then the one I left it on. Any thoughts?
Thanks for your help. Feel free to post responses here or e-mail me at [email protected]
54K miles when i got it! After a mechanic review my ac problem he told me Other problems! my coolant line leaks!! the clutch compressor has 'some' damage and WILL need to be replaced ($600 for a USED one!) ! the worst of all, the engine mount has been repaired once before and now it needs to be repaired again!! how many cars have anyone experience that had engine mount problem?? i GOT RID of a 1988 Camry wagon ( which was getting old and the body was rusting! I LOVE this car but thought i needed an upgraded!
I am SO PISSED that an american car company are so INferior to the japanese and german cars! american do NOT hold their value like their competitors! My car is less than 6 months old and It is already loss 1,000 in value! My advice is check out a used Volv0 wagon,
a 850 model looked pretty good to me!!that might be my next car as soon as i can figure out how to ditch the sable! i paid 4,500 , she asked for 4,900! at the time it was the kelly blue book value! Oh and the cssatte player didnt work!!
Good luck finding a GOOD RELIABLE wagon, just NOT Ford or Mercury!
And now, back to the subject of the Ford Taurus & Mercury Sable Wagons. Thanks for your participation. ;-)
Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
I honestly believe that you should check the performance of other model year Taurus/ Sables and not pass judgment. You will find that some of us are quite satisfied with our wagons. But again, this is a free message board and you have the right to shoot these wagons down.
I can tell you that Volvo cars are very expensive to repair and the parts are also expensive. I also don't know that Volvos are particularly reliable although they are said to be safe.
I agree with danielj6. The Taurus and Sable of today are quite nice wagons, and serve hundreds of thousands of folks reliably daily. The '96 and up design (and the 2000-up cars that came from that) has begun to prove itself as reliable.
The other thing is that the original post dealt with a 9 year old car with low mileage. It's bound to have a few problems (as are ANY cars of that age) and in fact, very low usage can cause more problems (especially with AC units, which need to be used periodically so the oil can circulate in the system and lubricate it) than high mileage.
Engine mount replacement is a common thing for many front wheel drive cars. They are basically rubber sandwiches, and they do wear out. They have become more of a maintenance item than on the older rear-wheel drive designs because of the weight, vibration, and torque they must work with.
I'm sorry for that person's misfortune with his or her car, and it's not to be made fun of. But, it is not necessarily representative of all Taurus/Sable wagon owners' experiences. And the problems are also not necessarily found only in Taurus and Sable wagons (or sedans), either.
We had a 89 Taurus wagon that we sold in early 2001 to buy a new Taurus SEL sedan. The old wagon had its share of problems (as do all older cars)but is still running strong for the guy I sold it too!
The only issues right now are lightly warped brake rotors, and windshield wipers keep wearing out. But other than that, no problems.
Hatchbacks & Wagons Boards
To me there is is a safety issue with it in case that another driver would rear end me which it already happened 2 weeks after I took delivery of the wagon. I was hit at 35 MPH by a mid size sedan with my bumper sustaining cosmetic damage. I was driving alone at the time. The vehicle that went into me was a 2000 Accord whose bumper held well but its hood buckled a bit. Mine is a '00 Merc. Sable
I am sure my fellow Taurus/Sable owners can add more to my statement.
I find the Vulcan perfectly adequate for my use (I've had a couple of four cylinder cars prior to the Taurus), but have not driven a Duratech, so I can't compare. It accelerates just fine.
Hope that helps.
If I thought the air filter worked, I could just increase the temperature in the winter and heat the floor, but I am wary...very wary...since Ford tends to skimp on quality. I would appreciate your experience and thoughts.
If you can't turn the system to recirc with Max AC, the system does close completely when you switch it to 'off.' That works well when you have an intermittent odor like diesel exhaust or a skunk that you want to keep out of the car.
I never tried running the system on Max AC with the temp all the way up (I have the manual AC system, not auto temp control), but there's no reason why you can't do that. I have had the AC on with the temp part way up, and that's fine. Plus, the AC compressor only runs down to 50 degrees F; below that, the airflow is the same but it's not refrigerated by the AC compressor. You should be able to do it that way, though you'd only get heat through the dash vents (given that the AC settings give you airflow through the dash vents only).
I'm going to have them both inspected, or atleast that's what I keep reminding myself when I go look at them again. Are there any major problems with either?
I've heard about the 3.8 head-gaskets. How hard are they to replace? What price range for that job?
I'm willing to live without ABS for a year, considering that I've driven vehicles w/o it before, yet the situations really got suspenseful when it was wet out.
Oh, the "Camry" a '90 model had only been on sale since '88. Although, I don't remember when the wagons came out, nor if Toyota was a reliable enterprise back then???
Any opinions????? Please help, thank you.
I honestly don't know if it was in the stalk or down into the wiper relay or the wiring between the 2.
This plus $1.00 might get you a cup-o-coffee
It's located in the cowl, below the right (passenger) wiper blade. There are some plastic head fasteners that hold the black plastic cowl cover on. Remove them (a pack of 6 or 8 is cheap at the dealer if you break them, which is easy to do) and take off the metal clips that hold the cover on. Remove the cover, and the filter is inside. There are some screws that hold the filter frame in place, too.
If you want to see the process and it's not in your owner's manual, I think you can get PDF versions of manuals at www.qualitycareservice.com (click on 'glove box manuals' under the 'maintenance' column and pick a '98 Taurus--it's definitely in my manual).
New rebuilt engine - under extended warranty (AAA - not Ford). $3600 total.
Now the heat coming out of the ducts is sometimes on, some times off.
The card seems to warm up much quicker than before too, which is odd.
We also got a new thermostat. The mechanic said it is a 'new kind'.
I think it's either in wrong or doesn't work right.
Does anyone have a clue about this. Where should I post this if not in this forum?
Need info asap. Thanks
BTW - this has been a terrific car - no problems whatsoever, and it is a blast to drive.
NEW FORD TRANSPONDER SYSTEM
Beginning with the 1998 model year, Ford will have a new transponder system on many of their vehicles. This new system is known as SecuriLock™. There are four main things that you need to know about the new SecuriLock™ system:
The new system will still use the same key blanks (Strattec P/N 598333 with the Strattec logo, 597602 with the Ford logo, 597603 with the Mercury logo).
The new system will only accept a total of eight operating keys for any one vehicle.
Two previously programmed keys are required to program additional duplicate keys into the system.
If no operating keys are available, the vehicle must be towed to the Ford dealership for reprogramming. (This may change in the near future.)
New SecuriLock™ keys must have the correct mechanical key cut for your vehicle.Conventional (non- SecuriLock™) keys cannot be programmed to your vehicle.
You will need to have two previously programmed SecuriLock™ keys and the new unprogrammed SecuriLock™ key readily accessible for the procedure. Please read and understand the procedure before you begin.
Insert the first previously programmed SecuriLock™ key into the ignition switch and turn the ignition from OFF to RUN (maintain ignition in RUN for at least one second).
Turn the ignition to OFF and remove the first SecuriLock™ key from the ignition switch.
Within five seconds of turning the ignition to OFF, insert the second previously programmed SecuriLock™ key into the ignition switch and turn the ignition from OFF to RUN (maintain ignition in RUN for at least one second but no more than 5 seconds).
Turn the ignition to OFF and remove the second SecuriLock™ key from the ignition switch.
Within 10 seconds of turning the ignition to OFF, insert the unprogrammed SecuriLock™ key (new key), into the ignition switch and turn the ignition from OFF to RUN (maintain ignition switch in RUN for it least one second). This step will program your new SecuriLock™ key.
If it is desired to program additional SecuriLock™ key(s), repeat this procedure from step 1.
If the programming procedure was successful, the new SecuriLock™ key(s) will start the vehicle's engine. The theft indicator (located on the instrument cluster) will light for three seconds and then go out.
If the programming procedure was not successful, the new
SecuriLock™ key(s) will not operate the vehicle's engine. The theft indicator will flash on and off. Wait at least one minute and then repeat the procedure from step 1. If failure repeats, bring your vehicle to your dealership to have the spare SecuriLock™ key(s) programmed.
I found this by using a Google search. I found nothing on the year of your car..check your manual or try a search.
For 1996/1997 Ford and 1997+ Buick Park Avenue:
Duplicating: Place original key in ignition and turn to 'on' position. On some models a theft security light should turn on. Wait a few seconds until light turns off. Remove original key and insert new duplicate transponder key. (Removal of original and insertion of duplicate must be done within 10 seconds). Theft security light will turn on for a few seconds. When light turns off, duplicate key is programmed.1998 Ford vehicles (mid-year change, some early 1998 models are still using the 1997 Ford program system A):
Duplicating: Two original keys must be present. Duplicate correct cuts on a new Transponder key. Insert first original key into ignition lock and turn to 'on' position for at least one second. Remove first key from ignition lock. Within 5 seconds, insert a second, different original key into ignition lock and turn to 'on' position for at least one second. Remove second original key from ignition lock. Within 10 seconds, insert the the new duplicate key into lock. Turn new key to 'on' position for at least one second. Repeat entire sequence if additional new duplicate keys are being programmed. A maximum of 8 total keys can operate these vehicles
This is a great forum for help.
My local Merc dealer has 5 brand new Sable LS Premium wagons for sale. The price is only
$17990.00!! I am asking myself why are these
so cheap? The dealer has been in business for
many years. When I asked the dealer, he says its
just a special they're having. Is this a good deal? or will I be sorry?
Thanks for your help
Tell us please where this dealer is located. I'm interested. I'll trade my station wagon for an 03.
Happy new year!