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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    nyccarguy said:

    Hey @qbrozen - a friend of mine is looking at a 2018 Raptor in Westport, CT. 21K miles. Fully loaded recent trade in at a Toyota dealership. Original sticker $79K. Grey over Black. 10/10 exterior - 10/10 interior. Asking $60K. What do you think?

    Similar one crossed in Jan for $41.2k, but that was an anomaly. Average is more like $46k. I’d have a hard time going back $50k on it, I think. There is a red one near me with 9k miles for $54k.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • tjc78tjc78 South JerseyPosts: 10,596
    60K seems high to me especially at a Toyota dealer. That’s also one truck I’d be really scared to buy used. Even one off road incident could really mess things up.

    2017 Buick Enclave / 2019 Volvo S60 T6 Inscription

  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,987
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road DC - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 153,442
    Update - my sister sold her Lexus RX hybrid with 180k on it.

    She listed it for $6950, and sold it for $6000 to an older lady who had just moved to CA. Her son complemented my sister on the condition of it.

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    more than I would have paid for it, but good for her!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 153,442
    stickguy said:

    more than I would have paid for it, but good for her!

    There's a butt for every seat!

    She will be driving my moms car for the time being, until I can get out there to collect it.

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    pensfan83 said:
    Feedback? Ok, it is slow, unattractive, and low-rent. How’s that?

    But, regarding the price, it is quite good, as long as it checks out. Worth $20k-$21k at auction.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • pensfan83pensfan83 PennsylvaniaPosts: 1,987
    Hahaha, I don't disagree...not for me though. Appreciate, as always, the price validation.
    1997 Honda Prelude Base - 2018 Acura TLX A-Spec SH-AWD - 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Off Road DC - 2006 BMW 330Ci ZHP
  • jamesy7jamesy7 Posts: 2
    Can someone tell me what a good price would be for a 2018 Lincoln Navigator Reserve with 26k miles? The one I’m looking at is a CPO and listed for $62k. The carfax shows damage so I contacted the dealership. They shared the service record and it was replacing the front bumper.
  • oxygen300oxygen300 Posts: 2
    I have a 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT Plus with 20k miles on it. The tires need to replaced. Apart from that, the car is in excellent condition. My lease payoff is 18.5k and the dealer is offering 23k. My research shows I can get around 24k with private party but then it depends on finding a buyer and hoping everything goes through smoothly. I was planning to get 2020 GT Challenger/Charger after this.

    Is it good idea to sell this and upgrade or pay 18.5k (+taxes) and buyout?

    Thanks!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    if you don't want to commit to the car long term, the dealers offer is great move. And if there is a sales tax credit where you are, could be cheaper overall than private sale.

    also, these days especially, selling privately is tough, even more so in that price range. Buyers need financing, you have to deal with all the hassles. If a trade in offer is close I always go that way. Plus that 24k is what a book says. Not someone on your front porch with a big bag of cash.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    jamesy7 said:

    Can someone tell me what a good price would be for a 2018 Lincoln Navigator Reserve with 26k miles? The one I’m looking at is a CPO and listed for $62k. The carfax shows damage so I contacted the dealership. They shared the service record and it was replacing the front bumper.

    A carfax ding is always tough. Comes down to you and how long you’ll keep it. If the history was clean, I could see $64k-$65k CPO being fair. If it were me, I’d not want to break $58k with the history. Doubt they’d go there, though.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    oxygen300 said:

    I have a 2017 Dodge Challenger SXT Plus with 20k miles on it. The tires need to replaced. Apart from that, the car is in excellent condition. My lease payoff is 18.5k and the dealer is offering 23k. My research shows I can get around 24k with private party but then it depends on finding a buyer and hoping everything goes through smoothly. I was planning to get 2020 GT Challenger/Charger after this.

    Is it good idea to sell this and upgrade or pay 18.5k (+taxes) and buyout?

    Thanks!

    Decent offer from the dealer. And great deal for you on the buyout. But if you want new, then get new. There is no wrong choice here.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • jamesy7jamesy7 Posts: 2
    qbrozen said:

    jamesy7 said:

    Can someone tell me what a good price would be for a 2018 Lincoln Navigator Reserve with 26k miles? The one I’m looking at is a CPO and listed for $62k. The carfax shows damage so I contacted the dealership. They shared the service record and it was replacing the front bumper.

    A carfax ding is always tough. Comes down to you and how long you’ll keep it. If the history was clean, I could see $64k-$65k CPO being fair. If it were me, I’d not want to break $58k with the history. Doubt they’d go there, though.
    Well, I offered $55k. Haven’t heard back yet.

    On a separate note, what’s up with everyone wanting to communicate over text? It’s been several years since I last bought a car, and every dealer I reach out to wants to communicate over text? Maybe I’m just old school and prefer speaking to someone.
  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,770
    My daughter is enamored of this unicorn:
    2005 VOLKSWAGEN NEW BEETLE GLS
    VIN: 3VWCM31Y05M357851
    CONVERTIBLE

    I'ts red with a black top; someone's summer toy, obviously, 1 owner, 55k miles.
    Five speed manual and the 2.slow. Looks to be in really nice shape.

    Buying a convertible in MI is like buying a motorcycle. Lots of years, not a lot of months or miles.

    It's been traded to the original selling dealer and is awaiting transport to my favorite purveyor of hoopties.
    I haven't a clue what something like this should be worth... $1,500 wholesale cuz it's old? $7000 retail cuz it's clean? They might both be true ;)
  • 28firefighter28firefighter Seattle, WAPosts: 6,801
    Sounds like it’s worth what it’s worth to someone who is looking for it.

    That said, $7000 strikes me as a bit steep for a car with the 2.slow.
    2019 Subaru Outback 3.6R Limited, 2019 BMW i3 REX, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP 6MT
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    if it has tan interior, I might buy it if cheap enough. $7k is not cheap enough, but with those miles might approach that. Maybe need to ship it south though.

    who cares if it is slow. Convertibles like that are for putting around town with the top down, enjoying the sunshine. Plus the stick can make up for a lot of the dog factor.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • steine13steine13 Posts: 2,770
    Oh heck, no kid of mine will be paying seven large for a 16-year-old anything. But a dealer might try to get that, and even succeed. I was illustrating my ignorance as to its value.

    The engine is my preference for MkIV Golfs and Jettas, at least with a 5speed. Fast enough, turbo-free, reliable and simple. None of us commute on the freeway ... you know, back when people commuted. Like stick said, winding the engine out in second will produce decent accleration when needed. Even the Germans can't mess up an iron block 8V engine.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    agreed about the simplicity factor as they age. The 1.8t is faster, but definitely has issues.

    I assume the 2.5l 5 banger is fine too.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    @qbrozen: Any opinion on the trade-in value of this 2016 M3?

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    steine13 said:

    My daughter is enamored of this unicorn:
    2005 VOLKSWAGEN NEW BEETLE GLS
    VIN: 3VWCM31Y05M357851
    CONVERTIBLE

    I'ts red with a black top; someone's summer toy, obviously, 1 owner, 55k miles.
    Five speed manual and the 2.slow. Looks to be in really nice shape.

    Buying a convertible in MI is like buying a motorcycle. Lots of years, not a lot of months or miles.

    It's been traded to the original selling dealer and is awaiting transport to my favorite purveyor of hoopties.
    I haven't a clue what something like this should be worth... $1,500 wholesale cuz it's old? $7000 retail cuz it's clean? They might both be true ;)

    Close. They’ll probably ask $6k-$6500. I’d be looking at $4500 if it was my money. Right about $2k auction value.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744

    @qbrozen: Any opinion on the trade-in value of this 2016 M3?

    Hmmm... love it or hate it color combo, definitely audience-limiting. Do my eyes deceive me or is this a moonroof-less BMW? And the current seller is already the 3rd owner. NORMALLY, this is in the 42s at auction. I’d have to say this has several big demerits to the general buying public (and buying dealer) that likely puts this at very high 30s range. No CPO, so it will come down to how much you want it. I would say $44k is absolute can’t live without it top dollar.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    well, $44k puts it right at the budget cap too!

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • dad23dad23 ColoradoPosts: 499
    edited August 2
    qbrozen said:

    dad23 said:

    Could I please get an idea on this one in Colorado:

    2013 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD
    Silver over Black
    Leather, Moonroof, Roof Rack
    84k miles

    Assuming no paintwork and no current maintenance needs, about $12k-$12.5k. Maybe as much as $13.5k from one of the online places.
    Hmm, miles are up to 92k, fresh tires, Carvana says they’ll give me $14,500. How soon would that all fall apart???

    Edited since I left out initial post: 2013 Pilot EXL Silver/Black
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    qbrozen said:

    @qbrozen: Any opinion on the trade-in value of this 2016 M3?

    Hmmm... love it or hate it color combo, definitely audience-limiting. Do my eyes deceive me or is this a moonroof-less BMW? And the current seller is already the 3rd owner. NORMALLY, this is in the 42s at auction. I’d have to say this has several big demerits to the general buying public (and buying dealer) that likely puts this at very high 30s range. No CPO, so it will come down to how much you want it. I would say $44k is absolute can’t live without it top dollar.
    Thanks!

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  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    dad23 said:

    qbrozen said:

    dad23 said:

    Could I please get an idea on this one in Colorado:

    2013 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD
    Silver over Black
    Leather, Moonroof, Roof Rack
    84k miles

    Assuming no paintwork and no current maintenance needs, about $12k-$12.5k. Maybe as much as $13.5k from one of the online places.
    Hmm, miles are up to 92k, fresh tires, Carvana says they’ll give me $14,500. How soon would that all fall apart???

    Edited since I left out initial post: 2013 Pilot EXL Silver/Black
    Well, you know what Steve Miller sang ....

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • dad23dad23 ColoradoPosts: 499
    qbrozen said:

    dad23 said:

    qbrozen said:

    dad23 said:

    Could I please get an idea on this one in Colorado:

    2013 Honda Pilot EX-L 4WD
    Silver over Black
    Leather, Moonroof, Roof Rack
    84k miles

    Assuming no paintwork and no current maintenance needs, about $12k-$12.5k. Maybe as much as $13.5k from one of the online places.
    Hmm, miles are up to 92k, fresh tires, Carvana says they’ll give me $14,500. How soon would that all fall apart???

    Edited since I left out initial post: 2013 Pilot EXL Silver/Black
    Well, you know what Steve Miller sang ....
    B) Go on, take the $ and run...
  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 861
    edited August 4
    So this one appears to be a local trade at a dealer in suburban Cincinnati, so there won't be an auction figure out there...

    2018 Outback 3.6R Limited, gray with black interior
    no EyeSight or Nav
    37K miles

    How good/bad/ugly is their retail ask of $24866?

    https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=40202&sortDir=ASC&engines=H6&sourceContext=carGurusHomePageBody&distance=150&sortType=PROXIMITY&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d380#listing=273202280
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    ronsteve said:

    So this one appears to be a local trade at a dealer in suburban Cincinnati, so there won't be an auction figure out there...

    2018 Outback 3.6R Limited, gray with black interior
    no EyeSight or Nav
    37K miles

    How good/bad/ugly is their retail ask of $24866?

    https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=40202&sortDir=ASC&engines=H6&sourceContext=carGurusHomePageBody&distance=150&sortType=PROXIMITY&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d380#listing=273202280

    Huh. These are a bit odd right now. I've got half of my examples with miles in the mid 30k that sold for $24k, but then the other half have 10k-24k miles and sold for under $22k. Region doesn't seem to matter. I'll just show you what I got and let you decide.


    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    You can’t tell from that about the eyesight option though, right?

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    stickguy said:

    You can’t tell from that about the eyesight option though, right?

    No. You don't think dealers are paying $3k for such an option, do you? I certainly don't.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • MichaellMichaell ColoradoPosts: 153,442
    Do you think that any 3.6R Limiteds were delivered without Eyesight?

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  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    The one he posted the link to doesn’t have it.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 861
    A dealer here in Louisville had a '17 3.6R Limited last week, CPO with EyeSight, similar miles, and it was listed for $24,6. That '18 up in Cincinnati is listed at $24,9 so I just might have to take a look, even without the CPO or EyeSight.

    Carvana is at 15,1 on my RDX (2015, AWD, Tech, 68k). One thing I'm not sure about is, if I trade it instead of Carvana-ing, whether the KY sales tax credit is applicable on an Ohio transaction.
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    It should be. You register and pay tax in your home state, not where you buy it, so shouldn’t make a difference. Key word, shouldn’t. Always good to check!

    I got more for my 2013 base with 59k back in March. $15.6k I think.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 159,248
    edited August 4
    ronsteve said:

    A dealer here in Louisville had a '17 3.6R Limited last week, CPO with EyeSight, similar miles, and it was listed for $24,6. That '18 up in Cincinnati is listed at $24,9 so I just might have to take a look, even without the CPO or EyeSight.

    Carvana is at 15,1 on my RDX (2015, AWD, Tech, 68k). One thing I'm not sure about is, if I trade it instead of Carvana-ing, whether the KY sales tax credit is applicable on an Ohio transaction.

    If you sell it to one dealer, and buy from another, I can guarantee you won't get a sales tax trade-in credit in KY. That has nothing to do with out of state. It has to be in one transaction.

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  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 861
    kyfdx said:


    If you sell it to one dealer, and buy from another, I can guarantee you won't get a sales tax trade-in credit in KY. That has nothing to do with out of state. It has to be in one transaction.

    That part of it I know. Just wasn't sure if trading and buying with the same dealer in Ohio would still get me the credit in KY. I imagine it would, because the bill of sale will still list the trade side of the transaction too.
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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 159,248
    ronsteve said:

    kyfdx said:


    If you sell it to one dealer, and buy from another, I can guarantee you won't get a sales tax trade-in credit in KY. That has nothing to do with out of state. It has to be in one transaction.

    That part of it I know. Just wasn't sure if trading and buying with the same dealer in Ohio would still get me the credit in KY. I imagine it would, because the bill of sale will still list the trade side of the transaction too.
    It does. We traded our 2011 X3 on a 2017, in 2017, in Ohio. Only paid tax on the difference.

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  • dillydilldillydill Posts: 111
    Helping a friend look at reliable highway cruising sedans.
    Located in Massachusetts.

    First one is at a Lexus dealer

    2009 LEXUS LS 460 AWD NAVIGATION
    Black/Black
    109K miles
    PREFERRED ACCESSORY PKG
    COMFORT SEATING PKG Heated Rear Seats Cooled Front Seats Rear Parking Aid
    NAVIGATION SYSTEM
    VIN: JTHCL46F595004177
    asking 15K

    Next one is at a Toyota dealer-I think no haggle.

    2012 Toyota Avalon Limited
    Black/Tan interior
    108K miles
    4T1BK3DB8CU463058
    11K plus 500 doc fee.

    Thoughts and opinions on these and if these should be a reliable highway sedan?
    Thank you!
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    How many miles a year are they planning on putting on?

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • dillydilldillydill Posts: 111
    stickguy said:

    How many miles a year are they planning on putting on?

    they drive about 18K miles a year
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    Of the 2, I would lean toward the Avalon, but I would also look for something lower miles to start with.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 7,624
    The LS is a much more substantial car and has AWD, but will probably cost more to operate.
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 27,744
    dillydill said:

    Helping a friend look at reliable highway cruising sedans.
    Located in Massachusetts.

    First one is at a Lexus dealer

    2009 LEXUS LS 460 AWD NAVIGATION
    Black/Black
    109K miles
    PREFERRED ACCESSORY PKG
    COMFORT SEATING PKG Heated Rear Seats Cooled Front Seats Rear Parking Aid
    NAVIGATION SYSTEM
    VIN: JTHCL46F595004177
    asking 15K

    Next one is at a Toyota dealer-I think no haggle.

    2012 Toyota Avalon Limited
    Black/Tan interior
    108K miles
    4T1BK3DB8CU463058
    11K plus 500 doc fee.

    Thoughts and opinions on these and if these should be a reliable highway sedan?
    Thank you!

    Neither is a smart move if they drive that much. Are they working in a budget? Luxury car + lots of miles + budget = disaster. I don’t care who makes it, with over 100k, maintenance is going to hurt when driving an old car that much.

    '03 F250 7.3, '07 ML63, '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '14 Town&Country Limited; '18 BMW X2. 52-car history and counting!

  • dillydilldillydill Posts: 111
    I appreciate the quality feedback and will try to steer him towards a newer vehicle with less miles.
    Definitely working in a budget.
    Thanks again Q, Stickguy, and corvette.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 37,995
    Up I’d trust the Avalon more though. Better mpg, less to go wrong bits really just a big Camry.

    2019 Acura TLX A-spec 4 cyl. (mine), and 2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD (wife's)

  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,768
    qbrozen said:


    Neither is a smart move if they drive that much. Are they working in a budget? Luxury car + lots of miles + budget = disaster. I don’t care who makes it, with over 100k, maintenance is going to hurt when driving an old car that much.

    So true! And, the mention of "Massachusetts" is NOT a small detail here! Based on my short time there, I will say with confidence that 100,000 miles in MA is likely equivalent to upwards of 200,000 in most other places. The people there drove, simply as a matter of course, with a level of aggression that I have never seen anywhere else. Driving like that takes its toll on vehicles, no matter how well built.
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  • ronsteveronsteve LooavulPosts: 861
    qbrozen said:

    ronsteve said:

    So this one appears to be a local trade at a dealer in suburban Cincinnati, so there won't be an auction figure out there...

    2018 Outback 3.6R Limited, gray with black interior
    no EyeSight or Nav
    37K miles

    How good/bad/ugly is their retail ask of $24866?

    https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?zip=40202&sortDir=ASC&engines=H6&sourceContext=carGurusHomePageBody&distance=150&sortType=PROXIMITY&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=d380#listing=273202280

    Huh. These are a bit odd right now. I've got half of my examples with miles in the mid 30k that sold for $24k, but then the other half have 10k-24k miles and sold for under $22k. Region doesn't seem to matter. I'll just show you what I got and let you decide.


    I noticed that for all but one of the lowest-mile/lowest-price copies, under "Type" it says "Factory." What does that actually mean?

    If I discount those, all the others (one outlier aside) would suggest that something in the $24s retail is pretty damn good. Though Cincinnati takes a little more planning than just calling over to Bachman. :)
    2015 Acura RDX AWD / 2013 VW Jetta 2.5SE
  • xwesxxwesx Fairbanks, AlaskaPosts: 13,768
    edited August 5
    I found a Manheim handbook (old, 2007) here, which indicates, "Factory Sales represent approximately 16% of all wholesale auction sales. It’s estimated that automakers consign around 1 million cars to auction. Factory sales are usually open to franchised dealers only." (page 26)

    Later, on page 48, it also says, "Factory (Program) Vehicles: Based on manufacturers’ marketing strategies, fleets of vehicles are sold to rental companies under various programs. Manufacturers’ programs with rental companies may call for the repurchasing and remarketing of these vehicles by the manufacturer in closed auction sales. Program cars are most often all current-model-year units, and are still under factory warranty. Often, the manufacturers sell these available vehicles in closed physical or online auctions, only to their franchised dealers. This gives the factory’s dealers first pick at current-model-year, quality used vehicles. Program cars also give the dealer an opportunity to put a customer who cannot afford a brand new vehicle into a current-year used vehicle and possibly save the sale for the brand."

    If so, perhaps that is why the sale price is down, because of a restricted audience?
    2014 Audi Q7 TDI, 2008 and 2013 Subaru Forester(s), 1969 Chevrolet C20 Pickup, 1969 Ford Econoline 100, 1976 Ford F250 Pickup
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 13,444
    stickguy said:

    Up I’d trust the Avalon more though. Better mpg, less to go wrong bits really just a big Camry.

    Is that supposed to be a complement? ;)

    Mine: 1995 318ti Club Sport; 2014 M235i; 2009 Cooper Clubman; 1999 Wrangler; 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica Wife's: 2015 X1 xDrive28i Son's: 2009 328i

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