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Audi A4 2004 and earlier



  • It's my understanding that the engine needs time to break in properly, and that during this time a lot of particulate matter will be created. This is suspended in the oil, and when the oil is changed, it goes away. Engine break-in is considered complete after 5000 miles, which is when they'd like you to change the oil. Then you'll go at 10,000, and then not until 20,000. Personally, I chose to change mine at around 15,000, but that simply satisfied my need to feel like I'm taking good care of my car.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    +Its good to hear you're enjoying you car so much. I too can't wait to see the A4 Coupe. My guess is it might come out later this year maybe as an '03 model. I will also be checking out the 325Ci.

    You mentioned in your post that you will either be looking at a 325Ci or a 330Ci (depending on how much money you get for your car). Then you should look at the 325Ci and not get your hopes up. Don't get me wrong, I wish you luck. The used car market is terrrible now. Trying to sell the car yourself makes it even worse that the dealers/Audi are in the Certified Pre Owned (read USED) market. Sure your car may be in good shape, but someone can buy the car Audi Assured with less miles and an extended powertrain warranty. Plus you seem to be really passionate about your car (most of us in Town Hall are). That hurts you when you walk into the dealership because you think that your particular car is the best example of all the used 1997 Used A4 1.8Ts out there. I'm not trying to flame you by any means. Just passing along some of the knowledge I've learned by lurking in the "Any Questions FOr a Car Dealer" & "Inconsiderate Buyer" Threads.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • yoonnyyoonny Posts: 33
    Thanx for your thought. I am hoping I can find a private buyer who likes the look of my car and pay some premium. If I am lucky I will find that person. I hope A4 coupe comes out soon b/c I prefer owning Audi than BMW. If I buy BMW in the future I will definitely use the Euro Delivery and save a few thousand dollar plus have a vacation in Europe. I wish Audi offers this too. I can't believe 325Ci's ED invoice starts under $25,000. I figure with options and about $1,200 for dealer will put me in the same price range with 1.8T. It will be a tough decision but I have a few month to make it.
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Posts: 721
    nathaniel-- I had a similar question as you have but I have an '01.5 and the according to the owner's manual, the first oil change is scheduled for 5,000 miles or 6 months, whichever occurs first. At 6 months, I had only about 1,700 miles on my car and I thought it ridiculous to change oil with that little mileage. So I called AoA to check. The AoA rep informed me that I MUST have that service (and each subsequent scheduled maintenance service) performed exactly as prescribed in the maintenance manual by an authorized Audi dealer or run the risk of voiding my warranty. My dealer agreed so they changed the oil at 1,700 miles when the car was six months old. I'm now approaching my one year anniversary and only have 2,300 miles on it and the same thing will occur ...I'll have to have the oil changed again with only 600 miles since it was last changed six months ago. From now on, the rest of the scheduled maintenance services will be every 10,000 miles or one year (12 months) whichever occurs first.

    So insist that your dealer do the first scheduled maintenance service at 6 months, regardless of how many miles you have, because according to AoA, this has to be done in order to keep from voiding your warranty. I thought it was ridiculous but I didn't want to take the chance.

  • Although, I'd imagine that you'd be able to argue that one. Maybe I just don't know enough about the chemistry and mechanics of it.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    Its free maintenance! You don't pay for it so as long as they're gonna pay, get the oil changed when they say so;)

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • eawegeaweg Posts: 50
    I heard from some good friends of mine (car afficionado's) that it is a good idea to change the oil within 6 months after you buy the car new no matter how many miles you may have. Reason being that because of all of the components are new in the engine, the oil in the vehicle (when you buy it new) may contain some of the metal shavings or filaments from the engine. Sounds weird but it also makes sense.
  • rb15rb15 Posts: 3
    i just traded my 99 mercedes 230 k for the above car and after 1000 miles have these observations.
    the a4 is a quantum leap better than the merc.
    the ride and handling are much better, it'quieter
    and the quality of build seems about equal.
    it's not as quick off the line as the merc--but from what i've been reading ,it will do better when it loosens up.
    i'm no dragster but i would'nt consider the 1.8t with tip--too sluggish.
    the console is hard against your right leg--other owners must know what i mean. i've stuck dr scholls pads there but that doesnt look too cool.also, the cup holders dont work very well.
    any other suggestions? the optional bose system was definitely worth the money when hearing cd's.
    i didnt like the looks of the stock 16" wheels so i replaced them with mock spoke ones from tire rack.
    let me know if anyone wants to make me an offer for the stock ones.
    all in all--i am very pleased with my purchase--no buyers remorse so far.
    hope the rest of you like yours as well
  • wco81wco81 Posts: 541
    What is this coupe that people are talking about? If it's coming later this year, wouldn't it already be out in Europe?

    What would the advantage be over the 4-door?
  • jdbtensaijdbtensai Posts: 122
    the advantage would be it's a coupe.
    if that's an advantage. it will be a different car. smaller and ligher (presumably). people buy the honda accord coupe over the honda accord sedan, some do i mean. same deal here. some prefer coupes.
    sorry if mentioning the accord offended anyone. :)
  • tmcktmck Posts: 28
    I have an 02 1.8 quatro and my owner's manual says I need to change oil at 10K when the other service stuff is done. I need to drive 90 miles to get to the dealer. I am assuming that when they say 10K, then really mean 10K. If the dealer were local I probably would have paid to have it done around 3K and then waited. Most of my 6,000 miles are road miles.
  • jjacintojjacinto Posts: 3
    One night I was parked idling for a long period of time. There was a second when my car felt like it was going to stall. The Check Engine light went on for about a split second and then the car resumed its normal idling. I thought that was odd.

    TODAY, I'm driving to work, internal temp set to 68, Stereo on, lights on, and I'm cruising at about 20MPH. Since my music was loud, I didnt hear my car stall. I noticed that pushing on the gas wasnt making me go anywhere. I looked at my front display and the battery light was on. My gears were flashing. I tried to start it up but it didn't work. I waited a second or two and got the car up and running again.
    Does anyone know why this would happen? I read in the audiworld archives about Idle Control Valves needing to be replaced. Someone also mentioned plugging in a VAG tool to get the "timings" straightened out. Anyone here, have a second opinion on these probable causes?
  • That may have caused some problem...

    I'm just throwing out a guess. If not, I'd take it somewhere that can give you more than a speculative answer. Either a dealer, or a mechanic that specializes in European imports and has the Audi logo on his business cards.
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,343
    That was my question too -- I had a problem, that seemed like yours sounds, that was fixed with a new chip to replace the chip that replaced the factory original -- yes, I said that corretly.
  • zubazuba Posts: 58
    New to the Audi board. Why are so many people buying the 1.8 vs. the 3.0? I will be test driving the 3.0 Quattro tomorrow and hope it goes well. If it drives as nice as a 530 BMW, and the back seat is relatively close in size - I may buy it! My concern is reliability with the Quattro - someone told me Audi dealers will not warranty the Quattro past 50K miles - is that true? What do new owners of the 3.0 Quattro think? Stick vs. Steptronic?
  • jagboyxkrjagboyxkr Posts: 53
    First off, I think that the 1.8T is selling faster then the 3.0 because it costs much less. You can fully equip the car and the price only goes up to around $32,000. A fully equipped 3.0 is around $40,000, and overall, the only differences I can think of between a loaded 1.8T and a loaded 3.0 are that the 3.0 is a V6 and you get power memory seats, reverse park control, wood, navigational system, and leather, etc. Most people can live without those features, and the leatherette in the 1.8T is almost identical to real leather in all the ways that count, and it is probably easier to care for than real leather, especially since it should not stain or scratch easily. So, like most models of cars, the base model with many options outsells the top-of-the-line version. No big deal, the margins are very close.

    I test drove a 1.8T Quattro Tiptronic, and the car seemed sporty, confident, luxurious, and smooth. It was also very quiet, and the small turning circle was awesome - check it out. The salesman I was with wanted to demonstrate the car's freeway passing abilities, etc., and the car cornered very well, and had no problems accelerating smoothly and quickly, too. If you are used to driving Ferarris and just have to drag race away from stop lights, then you may want the larger engine, but if you are a normal driver, then the 1.8T is in no way slow, as some people have said. I've driven the car, so I know.

    I also drove the 528i a long time ago (2000), and it was very nice, but for me, I preferred the Audi. The A4 competes with the 3-Series BMW, so it costs less than the 5-Series does. I felt that you get more for the money with the A4, and that it was not any less of a nice car when compared with the 5, but if your dream car is the 5 and you can get it, you might as well. I again, preferred the A4 though.

    Quattro is great - it's a really good feature to have and a confidence builder. I don't know of any reliability problems with the Quattro cars, and I have not heard of warranties not covering the Quattros as long as the Frontrack cars. Tiptronic is a really good transmission, that's why Porsche uses it. I actually like automatics, if manuals are your thing, get the manual. Tip is fun though.

    Well, between both the 5-Series that you want and the A4 you are considering, I think that you would be happy with either one. You'll get more features for less money with the Audi (like front and rear heated seats) if you order them, but since the 5 is your dream car, you won't be truly satisfied unless the A4 can replace it in that role. Have fun, and report back to us!
  • The V6 can be retrofited with a supercharger, which boosts power, but costs a lot of money.

    A performance chip for the 1.8T costs about $500 in most cases, and boosts power by about 40 hp without sacrificing gas mileage in highway cruising.

    A performance chip in the 1.8T with an aftermarket exhaust system boosts power even more, and gives BETTER gas mileage on the highway.

    So...spend a little more money in aftermarket, and have a car with comparable horsepower that is lighter.

    There are people who are most comfortable with the perceived prestige of having a V6, and I understand the the Audi V6 is wonderfully smooth. I've found, though, that my 1.8T is smooth and gave good power before the chip, and fabulous power after.
  • entombedentombed Posts: 11
    When you remove a factory installed ECU chip, at same time, you remove a factory warranty of your car.
  • jjacintojjacinto Posts: 3
    I bought a Wetterauer chip almost 3 years ago and I have been running with it without problems until recently. I brought my car to the dealer and they couldn't find anything wrong with it. No fault He suggested that if the problem occurs more frequently (which it has NOT) then I should bring it in.

    I'm thinking of buying a new chip for my car. But I'm also thinking of buying the 2002 A4. Plus my car is leased so I want to put it up for sale. I've already found out the buyout for my car so I can guesstimate what I would sell it for; over the residual cost of course.
  • khlmdphdkhlmdphd Posts: 7
    Hi, I am new to the board and am planning to take delivery on my new A4 1.8T in about 2 weeks. I was wondering if any of you have recommendations on do's and don'ts during the break in period for Audi's. Company guidelines as well as personal tips are welcome.

    Thanks in advance.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 11,260
    from what my friend who has an '02 A4 3.0q 6 speed. When he took delivery of his car, the dealer told him "If you want to you can take this car up to Lime Rock (Race Track) and wring it out right now." I don't know how much stock I'd put in that though.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2011 Pilot EX-L 4WD, 2015 Infiniti G37x Q40 AWD

  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Wow are those your titles, KHL??

    Anyhow, if I were you, I would take it easy on the engine (around 3k rpm) but have periodic engine speeds up to say, 5k to give the engine a more polished break-in. I did that to my 01 A4 1.8T and quite honestly, I wanted to keep it at around 3k rpm but couldn't resist the urge to lay the foot on the pedal.

    Oh one more thing, I don't know where you live, but here in Chicago I would not rev the engine fast or high until the oil for the turbo is warm. I know the 02 A4 doesn't have that indicator but as a general guideline, I wouldn't rev the engine too quickly in the first 10 min. On the same token, don't rev it fast and take it easy in the last 10 min of your journey to allow the turbo to cool down. Some people put a turbo timer on it and let it sit with the fan running to cool the engine down, but with wind blowing at 30-40mph while you are driving it cools the turbo down much faster than just the fan doing all the work.

    Congrats and NEVER FOLLOW (the new Audi slogan).

  • audibonaudibon Posts: 100
    Not to belabor a point, if you chip your Audi it does not void your warranty. The issue should only come up if the chip or other alteration has caused you to make a warranty claim and Audi can PROVE the chip or other alteration was at fault. E.G. If you make a claim for bad wiper blades or a rear sway bar bushing is bad etc I would find it hard for them to prove that you chipping the car was a direct cause of that. However, if the turbo goes out or you blow a head gasket then chipping will probably be an issue and then you'll be stuck with the bill. I think it also depends on the dealer as well, some are more performance sympathetic and others are not. If you want the whole scoop on chipping check out earlier postings here and also at Audiworld. Any other thoughts fellow drivers? Happy motoring!
  • finklejagfinklejag Posts: 12
    My 2002 A4 1.8T arrives in may.I was looking into getting a upgraded ecu.I was wondering too if it voids the warranty.Audibon answered some of my questions.I been looking at APR's and neuspeeds.Does anybody know what company is better.How much of a increase would i see.I think one of them said 207hp.Is that at the flywheel or the tires.I will tell you,audi makes it easy to chip the car.The ecu is located in a black box on the driver side in the engine compartment.My friend has a 2000 golf.His was located below the windshield wiper assembly.He had the hardest time getting to it.Thanks herr finkle
  • scirocco22scirocco22 Posts: 721
    I wholeheartedly agree with Brian pertaining to his comments about chipping.

    I kinda disagree with Billy about break-in :p ...this is a subject that has been debated many times on many boards by many people. IMHO, modern engines do not need the break-in that engines did decades ago. Years ago, manufacturers had extensive break-in rules and it was usually considered imperative that those rules be followed in order to have engine longevity. Today's tolerances are much closer and many believe that most new engines no longer need the long list of break-in requirements. Audi/VW no longer has an rpm restriction during the first 1,000 miles as some manufacturers still recommend. Subaru, for instance, still recommends that the rpm be kept below 4,000 during the first 1,000 miles except in an emergency situation. You'll notice that in the Audi owner's manual, no rpm restiction is stated. IMO, trying to keep the rpm below 3,000 during the first 1,000 miles is ridiculous and unnecessary. Bradd's reference was similar to what both my dealer's sales and service department told me ...not to be afraid to rev it right up to the red-line during the break-in period. I was hesitant in doing that but did take it slightly above 5,000 rpm on a regular basis during the first 1,000 miles. So, Kenneth, have fun with your new A4 and just follow the common sense rules during the first 1,000 miles: no full throttle acceleration, no jack rabbit starts and stops, and no prolonged periods of constant road or engine speed (i.e. no cruise control on the highway).

    I do agree with Billy when he says not to "stress" the engine before the engine oil is at the normal operating temperature. This is not only for turbo engines but for all engines. That's why I really enjoy having our oil temperature gauge. I've cried many times at the realization that Audi has done away with that gauge in the new A4. :-(

  • It's hard to say. Each has a loyal following. It seems that the most popular are the similarly priced APR and GIAC. MTM is more expensive, but those who have it like it very well. Neuspeed has been in business for a long time, and people seem to like their chip. Wetteraur (sp?) I know little about, other than the guy I met the other day who had it in his S4 said he liked it.

    I went with APR for just about all my modifications. The car looks stock all the way around, and makes about 217hp with the larger diameter exhaust. The exhaust tips are bigger than stock, but only a car enthusiast would notice; they're not obnoxious.

    Which chip is best? That's the Ginger vs. MaryAnne question. Chocolate vs. Vanilla. Betty vs. Veronica.
  • lauk0dglauk0dg Posts: 563
    Finklejag, it's hard to say which aftermarket chip manufacturer is "better" than the other ones. The guys over at AudiWorld usually prefers APR, but if you ask them which is better, you will see flames right away. Yup the APR Stage 1 chip actually gives you an extra of 47hp, and I believe that's at the flywheel like the 170hp stock figure. Yeah the location of the ECU box is easy to get to, except the last screw at the back is HARD to get to.

    About break-in, well Rocco, I can't really say who's right or wrong about break-in. To me, I'll take it easy on any new things, and that's how I like to keep the rpm under 3k and rev it up there maybe once a week or something. To be honest, I didn't put a big arrow at the 3k mark and restrict myself not to go over's more like a mental thing.

    Speaking of which, I just spent a week in a rental Mitsubishi Diamante. Not bad for a big car like it. Enough power (not a LOT, but decent) and PLENTY of room. It's interesting when I jumped back into the A4 i realize the A4 is so agile and nimble. :>

  • khlmdphdkhlmdphd Posts: 7
    Thanks for the advice. Collectively, you guys are exactly in line with the recommendations of the 2 Audi service managers I talked to in my area.

    The first one said that I can let it redline out of the parking lot when I take delivery and keep on going. The second one said that while Audi actually breaks the engine in prior to placing into a new car during production and thus claims that there are no resrictions on how the car is driven from day 1, he recommended that I take it easy and not rev it too high duing the first 500 miles.

    While I have no reason not to believe the service guys in my area, It wanted the opinions of guys in my shoes who actually own the vehicle. So thanks again.

  • brick22brick22 Posts: 71
    I too have placed an order on a 2002 A4 1.8T 5-speed, and now the wait begins. Have you stayed in close contact with your dealer during the wait? What kinds of updates have you received along the way? Anything in particular to relate about the ordering or waiting experience? Were there any pricing hitches? Has anyone's 2002 ordered in the new year actually arrived?

    I'm satisfied with the price I was able to get--about 5.5% over invoice. But what do you think, will the price drop by the time it arrives in May or June? Also on other message boards (Toyota, Infinity) I keep reading about dealers ordering the wrong options or colors or the car never arrives after 3 months. I'm trying to keep the faith with Audi--but it's my first one!
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